Thanks, Sol. Is there a link to a description of the contest? I'd be interested to know the details.
EDIT: Ignore; I found it.
Thanks
Dirk
Thanks, Sol. Is there a link to a description of the contest? I'd be interested to know the details.
EDIT: Ignore; I found it.
Thanks
Dirk
I think we should not coddle contest entrants.
A little coddling may be reasonable in the short term since we're trying to add new users quickly. The contest ought to be just hard enough to keep out anyone who isn't even willing to do a few reviews. Without doing that, they won't really experience the site and its benefits (see my previous post). Since many of them will be doing a trial, they ought to be doing reviews anyway, so here's a chance for them to win something (membership) while doing something they should be doing anyway. Perhaps three reviews? Five? The total number ought to be commensurate with the value of the prize and the length of the contest (keep in mind, the trials only last two weeks at present).
You join an Amazon contest for a gift card, but to earn the GiftCard you have to leave a review on (this list of) kindle stories
If Amazon were using the contest to flesh out its reviews of books, then it seems reasonable that if you want to win, you have to do N reviews from your library.
We want to encourage people to do reviews (i.e., try out the inline review system, which is one of the best out there; read the work of other writers on this site to see the caliber of the writers here; trade reviews with others to see the quality of the reviews they can get; and begin to interact with other writers on this site, most of whom are fairly experienced and knowledgeable).
If they're not willing to do even a few reviews, they won't experience the things noted above. Besides, they're going to be on the site anyway doing a trial; this just adds another incentive to really try us out.
I agree on both counts.
Perhaps do it only on the contest for all members. And if you keep the requirement easy (2-3 reviews?), anyone serious would probably still enter, while anyone too lazy to even do that isn't going to succeed on our site.
Thanks, Sol. Will you include a requirement on one or both contests for entrants to do some reviewing on the site within the contest window?
Folks I know who always recip: Jack, Marilyn, and Terry (tdp). Randy usually does, although he just moved to the US from overseas.
Found it. I am blind (not for the first time). I don't regularly read romance, but now is a good time to read one again.
. I'm just wrapping up a kitchen upgrade today, but will read chapter 1 by the end of the week, if not sooner.
Found it. I am blind. I don't normally read romance, but now is a good time to read one again.
. I'm just wrapping up a kitchen upgrade today, but will read chapter 1 by the end of the week, if not sooner.
Hi Treewoman61. We did indeed experience a major slowdown in critiques due to a loss of members, especially after the server crash. Sol has just made some policy changes that should bring in new users (easier to gather points, more points for new users, and a longer up front trial), including more contests. Strange thing is, I haven't seen your user name on my home page in a long time. Are you posting to Premium? If so, I must be blind.
Check out a post (thread) In the Premium forum with tips on maximizing the number of reviews you receive (it's posted near the top of the forum).
Also, what's the name of your posted work?
We don't want to lose anyone, so hopefully you can give us a little more time once we find it. Posting here and asking for reviews is exactly the right thing to do.
Why are you paying $20 per month? Is that the cost of the monthly plan? I'm on the yearly plan, which costs way less per month. Perhaps someone else on the site can weigh in with the actual yearly cost.
I'm just finalizing a few things in act one of Archangel + I have to apply plenty of minor edits I've already received, then I'll stop working on it except for an expected trickle of further feedback from a few new reviewers.
I'm pretty sure you read fairly recent versions of everything in act one of Archangel except the final 3-part chapter. I haven't put all of act one back up yet post-crash to slow the influx of reviews (I'm falling too far behind my reviewers).
I also have plenty of recent suggested edits to add to Connor v1.
Doing all of the above will probably take until the end of August. After that, almost all my time will go toward Connor v2.
Thank you, Sol. That's great news.
Just so there's no confusion, the original list of bugs is higher up in the thread. There are six in total. Marilyn only quoted the two most famous ones.
Thanks
Dirk
Longest undefended border in the world. My favorite was a border crossing in either Manitoba or Ontario, where there was no permanent customs and immigration officer. They had an office, but it was unmanned. You were supposed to stop in voluntarily and call someone via a phone located in the office. I kid you not. We take being friendly and welcoming to a whole other level of stupid. ![]()
I think they subsequently had to add someone once the location made the news.
I'm looking to finalize the name of the global church on New Bethlehem. I've been using the Libertarian Church, which is ok if I wanted to be totally serious. But why on Earth would I want to start now?
The Libertarian Church was founded a few centuries from now based on the Mammonists for Christ Movement of the 21st century, which was begun by the stinking rich for the stinking rich (a tax dodge).
Now, since later supporters of the Mammonist Movement truly came to believe you could serve both mammon and Christ, I figure they would push strongly for that to also be the name of the church: Mammonists for Christ Church. While that may seem ridiculous to outsiders, the members of that denomination believe fervently in their church and its views.
Stranger things have happened, especially in American politics. ![]()
Thus, I'm inclined to name it the way its followers would: Mammonists for Christ Church.
Thoughts?
Dirk
For those who haven't had a chance to look at it, there's a (sticky) post in Premium called
"How to Get the Most Reviews of Your Writing"
based on one we had up before the Great Hiccup of 2023. An identical copy also exists in Writing Tips & Site Help.
Please point all trial/new users to it to help them maximize what they get out of the site.
Also, feel free to post replies to either copy of that thread with additional suggestions.
Thanks
Dirk
Randy, your plane took a wrong turn. Surely you intended to come to western Canada? Home of endless forest fires, broken healthcare, brutal winters, and a major political party overrun by (western) separatists. Still, I have to admit, the political entertainment is better where you are.
Enjoy your new home.
Dirk
Short post to push this thread higher in the forum.
Short post to push this thread higher in the forum.
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This is a really good idea.
dags:)
Thanks. I've been known to have a few.
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Dagny, when you have a few moments, could I ask you to have a look at the sticky thread I'm maintaining in Premium and in Writing Tips/Site Help entitled "How to Get the Most Reviews of Your Writing"? Is there anything you'd like to see added or changed as it relates to poetry?
This article has been moved to the Premium forum for maximum visibility. Please look for it pinned there near the top. All new members should read it, preferably before you post your first written work. It'll save you from common mistakes that might prevent your writing from being seen by others here. It may also prevent you from wasting points on posting something incorrectly.
Existing members, please point all new members to this thread, in case they haven’t already found it.
Below are tips to maximize the number of reviews you receive on the site. Everything here is voluntary, but it’s what works for many people, especially those who are new to the site and have yet to build a network of fellow writers here (using “connections”) with whom to trade reviews.
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Review, review, review. It's the best way to find long-term partners with whom to trade reviews. You’ll want a network of them to give you feedback on an ongoing basis. Building relationships here also regularly leads to new friendships.
The best place to find active members is on your home page, which contains the writing of everyone currently actively posting new work.
There are many casual users of the site (e.g., folks who don't write/post/review here year round), so be sure to check out the writer's personal profile for when they were last online on this site. If it's more than about two months, they may not respond/reciprocate in a timely manner. They may even have left the site for an extended period, which could be months, sometimes years.
Respond to reviews in a timely manner, otherwise reviewers may just move on. It only takes a few minutes to respond to most reviews. However, understand that the turnaround time to actually do so varies from a few hours to a few days because real life often intrudes (e.g., illness, deaths, other crises).
Read stories in your own genre, many of which you may find in the individual groups or by searching for new works by genre. You may get more reciprocal reviewers if they share your interests. But! This is a small site focused on serious writers, so we often review outside of our usual genres to help each other and to get the best reciprocal reviewers for our own work. Feedback from other genres writers is another great way to learn. Many folks here regularly write in several genres.
Post your work in the Premium group. When you do, your work will be visible to all members. Also, reviewers of Premium works are rewarded with points with which to post their own work, which leads to more reviews for you. If you're serious about becoming a writer, Premium is where you need to be. Note that the Premium group contains the Premium forum.
While gathering points to post your own work can seem like a pain, you would have to read the work of other writers anyway to keep them as long-term reviewers (they need feedback too). The points system on this site is much less onerous than on other professional workshop sites. It's main purpose is to keep out folks who just want to post, get feedback, and give nothing back. And it automatically leads you to network with other writers here. If you regularly trade reviews with others here, you will almost always have more points than you actually need.
If you don't review the work of others, you can't expect to get reviewed in return. Most members here are experienced writers and, in many cases, published authors. They don't have the time to review the work of every new trial member, of whom there are many. You may get a free review or two, but the best way to get reviews is to give reviews. It shows you're serious. You are serious, right? :-)
You're not expected to be a great writer or reviewer if all this is new for you. But you are expected to try. That's how everyone else here got started. We all suck at writing and reviewing initially. Trust me! But if you're not willing or able to do even that, then this site isn't for you.
Reviewing the work of others also allows you to study how they write. There are experienced writers on this site to learn from, including published authors. And reviewing makes you a better reviewer, which should allow you to build relationships with the best writers, who generally are among the best reviewers.
Post clean chapters to the extent you know how. That means proper punctuation, grammar, and proofreading. If you're still new to writing, ask for help in the Writing Tips & Site Help or Premium forums. Google for articles on punctuation and grammar, or buy a good book on the subject. You want your reviewers focused on your story, not your writing mechanics.
Use a picture as a cover page in lieu of the default red cover. If default covers worked, there would be no need for real covers on Amazon either. When you look at the home page, it's the pictures that stand out first/most. Free pictures are available online from multiple sites, including pixabay.com.
Have a content summary for your book so people know what it's about. This seems like common sense, but we still see books without a summary posted on the site. Who buys books when they don't know what it's about?
Try to come up with an interesting book title.
Keep a clean portfolio that is easy to peruse. That means inactivating (hiding) or deleting obsolete versions of stories you no longer want reviewed. Or simply rename any obsolete versions (e.g., stick the word OBSOLETE at the end of the title (this is the easiest solution)). Note that deleting chapters also deletes any reviews you received for those chapters, so be sure it’s what you really want.
Don't post massive chapters that take six to eight times as long to review as a regular post. If a member has to choose between reviewing the chapters of six people they regularly review vs. reviewing one massive chapter, the former will usually win out since we're trying to maintain as many reciprocal relationships as possible with only a limited amount of time.
A good chapter length for the site is perhaps 1500 - 2500 words (costs about 5 to 8 points to post).If you have a much longer chapter, break it up and post it in parts, and clearly identify in the chapter names and chapter notes that it is a multi-part chapter, otherwise you'll get repeated comments about how a chapter seems to end abruptly or has a lousy hook. Short chapters generally get the most reviews.
Be patient while waiting for reciprocal reviews. Expect to wait a few days up to a few weeks for people to reciprocate. Most writers do so part-time, which may include writing a chapter or story every few weeks, posting it, and then catching up on reviews owed to others. Many reviewers do it this way. If someone has never reviewed you before, try to reciprocate with them more quickly, since it's a chance to acquire a new permanent reviewer.
If you're not going to reciprocate because the other writer’s book doesn't interest you, please thank them and tell them that it's not something you normally read and/or probably can't be of much help with. The other writer can then move on. And don't be offended if someone doesn't want to read your current work. It happens. With any luck, they’ll read your next one.
Read the work of new members. There's a points bonus, they'll probably be grateful to you and may read your stuff, and they'll be more likely to join the site permanently if they see they're getting helpful reviews. A thriving site helps everyone.
Ask other members about who else might be good to ask for a review, then check out the latest posted work from those writers. Keep in mind that the people you ask may be too busy on any given day or week, so it may take some time for them to provide a review. If someone doesn't reciprocate after two or three attempts, move on. On the flip side, when you review someone new, suggest who else the new member should review to increase their chance of gaining more reciprocal reviewers.
If you’ve tried most or all of the above tips and still have trouble finding enough reviewers, post a message in the Premium forum about that, and ask for reviewers. Give the name of the posted work, a summary of what it’s about (quote some or all of your story’s content summary if you like), and the type of feedback you’re looking for. Since this is a small workshop site, you may find that the best feedback comes from members outside your own genre, so don’t restrict yourself. And be prepared to recip.
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If you don't know how to do some of the things mentioned in this thread, don't hesitate to ask in the Writing Tips & Site Help forum or even in Premium. Note that the Premium forum is where you’ll get the most number of eyeballs on your post and, most likely, the fastest and most number of responses, so don’t be shy about using it. Site members are generally happy to help.
Feel free to reply directly to this thread with any feedback you may have about reviewing and this writeup. Going forward, this article will reside only in the Premium forum to avoid having to maintain two copies (the other was in the Writing Tips & Site Help forum), which can get out of sync. An article by the same name still exists in the latter forum, but it merely directs people here.
One more idea that came to mind might be contests that are open only to trial/new members, with the rest of us focused on reviewing their entries before the contest deadline.
How are you going to revive this site if you don't accept new reviewers?
I have plenty of newer works that people can review, including Archangel Syndrome, but I'll never get v2 of Connor going if I keep getting pulled back to v1. And I hope to begin posting v2 by late August.
The emphasis going forward is indeed on new members (can't revive a site without them). Everything from the policy changes Sol is making (20 points instead of 10 for trial users, increasing the length of the trial to two weeks, up from one, and easing the ratio of how many points the site pays per review vs. how many points the site charges to post); specific bug fixes that new users keep running into; and proposed contest changes (see the separate sticky thread on that here in Premium, which Sol is still thinking about).
Giving plenty of high-quality reviews to trial/new members is also part of it.