576

(35 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Hi Elysse.

If you see draft in red on a previously started inline review, the way to access it is from the Inline Posted tab of the My Reviews screen. Go to your home page and, below your picture, click on New Inline Review Replies. You should see it listed there, marked as draft. From there, you can open it and resume reviewing. It's a goofy place to have to look for it. The question comes up a lot. I'll add it to the list of issues for Sol.

The best way to prevent new reviewers from reading your story is to put a BIG NOTE in the content summary for your book and/or right at the top of your initial chapter. I just did the same for "The Rise of Connor v1". I replaced the prologue with a big note that asked people not to review it as it will soon be replaced with v2. I also made all the early chapters (1-15) inactive, to further reduce the chance of anyone new accidentally reviewing it.

Please let me know if you need any help with the latter. It involves some of the lesser used functionality of the Edit wizard but is fairly straightforward to do. I'll post your suggestions to the ongoing maintenance and minor enhancement threads in the Premium forum.

Thanks
Dirk

577

(35 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Following are the bugs extracted from our Bugs & Maintenance Requests thread that ought to be fixed before the next influx of trial users (preferably before the start of the contests):
1. Label changes on the Quickee interface to prevent new users from leaving themselves quickees that then, naturally, never get answered. See bottom of page 1 of the Bugs & Maintenance Requests thread for details/solution.
2. Label changes needed to prevent users from accidentally creating new books when they intended to add a chapter to an existing book; see my post timestamped 2024-05-19 03:24:56 on page 2 of the Bugs & Maintenance thread for details and the suggested solution (ignore the discussion about this problem that followed the post)
3. Security certificate complaints from my security software (Bitdefender) when clicking the links in TNBW-generated emails. This problem applies to every type of email notification I've received recently (received a TNBW message from another member, received an inline review from another member, and so-and-so has published a new posting); see my post timestamped 2024-04-13 04:15:10 on page 2 of the Bugs & Maintenance Requests thread, as well as the post right after it for details
4. Frequent timeouts while using the forums will log the user out of the site; if the user was writing a new forum post, that one will be lost (even the back button on the Chrome browser won't take you back to it); if the user was replying to an existing forum thread, the reply will be appended to the intended thread, after which the site kicks you out; this doesn't just happen to me; one new user mentioned it to me a while ago, so it probably affects anyone who writes long forum threads (I use the forums for brainstorming related to my books, so those can be quite lengthy)
5. Leaving a closing comment on an inline review with no inline comments in the body of the review confuses the site; the only way to see and access that review is via the usual email sent out by the system to the recipient of the review; once that email gets deleted, access to the review is lost for good; it's unlikely to be happening a lot, although it can be prevented entirely by the site not allowing the user to save an inline review with no inline comments

EDITs:

6. Would it be possible to change the red "draft" label that members see if they have a draft review already in progress for someone else's chapter/story to a button? I've yet to encounter a new user who knows how to find their draft review(s) as it's simply not obvious. Even long-term members sometimes forget where to look. Elysse ran into this most recently. Either that, or add a tooltip to the red "draft" label of where to find it (Home Page->New Inline Review Replies).

578

(309 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Okay, last one:
- psychiatrists will be brain-masters
- a psychiatric ward will be either a brainial ward or a brain-mastering ward; I lean toward the latter; makes the terminology more consistent

EDIT: Brain-mastering ward is way too long (I use it a lot), so brain-masters and brainial ward win.


My thanks to all.
Dirk

579

(309 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

I googled for famous psychiatrists and there was virtually no one in the list that most people would recognize, certainly not more so than Freud. Barring some inspired term better than brainial, I'm going to go with the latter. Kind of plain but needs little to no explanation.

I'm curious, why do you suggest brainial ward instead of brainial unit?

580

(309 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Kdot, how do you feel about shrinkers and master-shrink? I tried both (and brainial) but found they were too bland. Hence the reason I'm looking for something sexier. Unlike other sci-fi stories, mine is a demented space opera with no need to remain 100% serious. In fact, going against norms is a hallmark of this story.

Admittedly calling them tsantsas requires a little setup, but all of the setup I've done for other names I've toyed with was indirect: the shrinks are addressed as doctors, Joseph is at the hospital because his parents fear a mental health problem, he's taken to a "branial" unit and is asked whether he considers himself mentally ill, he's placed in a rubber room, his clothes are taken away because someone suicidal could commit suicide using just clothes, and he's at the hospital to evaluate whether he has Archangel Syndrome.

Now, Joseph is not suicidal, but the head shrink takes away the clothes of all new patients to pressure them to cooperate with whatever tests and treatments are deemed appropriate. Joseph has been promised that he'll be given something to wear "soon" as long as he continues to cooperate. Also, he'll be allowed to contact his parents "in a few days" if he continues to cooperate.

In theory, that could allow me to use any of the terms discussed in my previous post (I realized that after posting), but tsantsas are a cool Easter egg in that they are, literally, shrunken heads. Admittedly, it requires a few brain cells to connect the shrunken heads of head hunters with shrinks, but once you've got it, it becomes obvious why this crazy story would use such an odd term for its psychiatrists.

A bit of trivia: There were two real-life cases in the not too distant past where patients hung themselves with just their underwear.

581

(309 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

The main reason for Freudian was simply name recognition. It doesn't mean that in 4017 they'll agree with his beliefs and methods.

I previously considered shrinker, master-shrink, pill-shrinks, and talk-shrinks but didn't like any of them.

I reread some of the internet writings about Kafka. My favorite is this: ''Kafkaesque'' means ''having a nightmarishly complex, bizarre, or illogical quality." smile  Not sure how I would explain how his name became the future term for psychiatrist. Interestingly, Kafka died of tuberculosis at a fairly young age.

This one looks good, but virtually no one will have heard of him: Philippe Pinel is often considered the "father of modern psychiatry." He is most famous for his humane treatment of the mentally ill, as well as his contributions to the diagnosis and treatment of mental disorders. Among other things, he advocated not using chains on the mentally ill. Apparently shrinks of the past needed to be told this? Wow! His work paved the way for modern psychotherapy.

Given how kooky my book is, including a number of its memorable characters, I'd like to find a way to get Pinel's name in the book in some meaningful way. Having psychiatrists called Pinels (or something similar) would probably cause nothing but confusion, though. I could perhaps change the Brainial Unit to the Pinel Unit and leave it to readers to google. Meh.

An article on Bettelheim by one of his former patients/students pretty much paints him as an idiotic dick. He's worse than the head shrink of the Brainial Unit where Joseph is trapped.

I didn't read anything that would suggest why some variant of Sacks would be the word for shrink in the far future. Clearly a smart man and a significant contributor to the field, but if readers of my book were to google his name, they'd be scratching their heads as to why I chose his name. Still, future psychiatrists could then be called Sacksons. smile

Tzan-Tzas is a strong contender. I'd have to get across that these doctors are shrinks, but the reader would have to google the rest. That's the term for the shrunken heads produced by natives of the Amazon region who once practiced head hunting. smile

Brainial remains the boring fallback term.

582

(309 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Quick survey for anyone who cares to vote:
- psychiatric wards in the year 4017 are referred to as brainial units, and psychiatrists are referred to as Freudians, which is also the name of the above noted chapter
- the other option is to call the psychiatrists brainials
- brainials would be a reasonable choice if all of this were to be taken seriously; Freudians seems a little odd, so it may be a better choice in this case

Any preferences?

Thanks, Bill. They're gone.

584

(309 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

You mean live to the end of the book or to the end of this nonstop chapter ("The Freudians")? No one dies in the chapter as it's more of a character development chapter for Joseph. I also introduced a young nurse named Catherine in it who is now among my favorite characters. She becomes somewhat like an older sister to Joseph. I'm considering punting other characters, so I can make room for her in the rest of the book. She's much more real than either Princess Stephanie (doormat) or Eve (Joseph's ex-doormat). As written, though, the chapter belongs at the end of act one, not the beginning of act two.

I have a similar problem brewing with Apollo's first chapter in act two, although not with regard to length but rather the fact that it doesn't really belong in act two either. It's an assassination attempt against the Imperial Family, staged by Nero to rally the support of the ruling elite, who are beginning to sour on his rule. The assassination attempt is where Caligula loses half his face. That's a great chapter to close out Apollo's first act, not to open the second ("The Young Leaders' Conference").

I think if I choose a moment of maximum danger to both Apollo and Joseph in their respective chapters above, then I could end act one on a cliffhanger for each of them. At that point, it seems more reasonable to wrap up those two chapters as the first pair of act two.

I'm still wondering if "The Freudians" is too weird compared to the rest of the book, though. Joseph is pretty much naked the whole chapter, and it gets stranger from there, although I think it all makes sense given the circumstances, some of which you don't realize until near the end of the chapter, when a few secrets are revealed. Terry seemed to like it; he said he hopes Catherine and Joseph will eventually get together, although it won't be that simple since Joseph is supposed to be coming to terms with being gay, and there is Christian, his intended love interest, to deal with. I could shift it, though, and make him bisexual if need be.

585

(309 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

One possibility is to make half of it wrap up act 1 and the other half the second chapter of act 2 (Apollo is up first in act 2 since Joseph closed act 1).

586

(309 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Yikes. My first act's final chapter, which was "in excess of 30 pages", has mushroomed even further to 38 pages. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with this bad boy. I'm not going to change it now, but I clearly have to do something with it eventually to hack it down to size (e.g., 20 pages or less is reasonable for this book's chapter lengths). That's a lot to cut!

I suppose I could treat it like a tie-in for the book, and use the tie-in to give a detailed version of the trimmed version in the book.

587

(35 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Sideman wrote:

Hi Marilyn,
As ornery and sassy as you are, you'll probably outlive me - Ha!

And me! LOL

I learned how important it is to moderate feedback to new/newer members until you know if they have a thick enough skin. I scared off someone once with 100+ comments. My bad. For most new members these days, when I find a lot to comment on, my first comment is usually words to the effect that some/many/most comments are just suggestions. The other thing I've also done at times is to highlight the most important stuff and offer to do another review if they want even more detail.

Marilyn and I have been going back and forth for a couple of days trying to figure out how to improve retention of new members who may be attracted to the site by contests.

All of what follows is open to discussion, but it also depends on what Sol believes is both wise and possible for him to do. We've tried to focus contest entry requirements to things that can be checked manually in the system to avoid the need for software development for contests.


Strongest Start: Although we discussed Strongest Start (SS), we need to attract members more quickly than that in the short term. We also discussed scaling back future SS contests so they could be done more often (e.g., limit entries to one per member, which focuses the contest on members submitting what they think is their highest quality entry, rather than on the number of entries per entrant; this also seems more fair). The upper word count should be limited to something sane, both for the sake of the judges and to encourage entrants to say more with less.


Contest-Related Suggestions
- more (regularly occurring) contests, especially in the short term; shorter contests with criteria that are easy on the judges (e.g., shorter word count, one entry per member, shorter contest window)
- contest entrants should be premium members at least on the day the contest closes (requires checking every entrant's membership status on the day the contest closes; this can be done manually); this requirement may limit how many outsiders are willing to enter contests, so it may not be a good idea; perhaps the membership requirement should be limited to Strongest Start, which has bigger prizes
- every prize for every contest should include free premium membership of some length for the winners and runners up; that reduces the actual cash cost of prizes for Sol and focuses the prizes on membership (one hopes people will stick around longer once having been a member); some (many?) contests might only offer membership, no cash, to keep costs down even more
- the contests should be advertised outside of TNBW (even if only on Booksie) so we get plenty of outside entries
- a key rule of the contests (ideally any contest going forward) should be that entrants have to do a certain number of "legitimate" reviews (5? 10? more?) of posted works on the site within the contest window; this forces those who are entering to do more than submit an entry; since reviewing styles differ, we could simply define legitimate as any review that meet's the site's basic requirements to pay points (i.e., 5 inline comments+closing comment OR a 50-word regular review)
- it seems like it would make sense to only check the posted reviews of potential winners to ensure they met the contest criteria and that their comments are real (as opposed to someone who enters bogus comments to pad their reviews); if one or more of the potential winners are disqualified, whoever is judging the contest would have to select additional potential winners to replace those who were disqualified; checking reviews can be done manually, so no software development is required
- we could also have somewhat harder contests requiring more reviews and more inline comments/longer regular reviews; this ought to encourage members entering the contest to improve their reviewing skills

EDITs:
- One more idea that came to mind might be contests that are open only to trial/new members, with the rest of us focused on reviewing their entries before the contest deadline.


Questions (for Sol):
- how do we avoid getting hit by large numbers of spam entries? Or is that something we even have to worry about?
- how do we avoid getting flooded with outside entries? Should the contest be limited to the first N entries?
- is it possible for Basic members to give and receive inline reviews? if they can, I'd suggest let them enter at least some of the contests since it would require them to use the review system here (regardless of how many points they have!) and have at least some interactions with existing members and the writing on this site as part of the contests


Marilyn, did I forget anything?

Thanks
Dirk

590

(46 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Nice, although Linear is kind of boring, but for all I know, it could be important to include it in the name.

This topic is closed for the time being while we focus on trying to revive TNBW, the discussions for which will be documented in the Reviving TNBW thread.

592

(35 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Copied from the Migrating to Booksie thread:

Dirk wrote:

Keep in mind, 10 points yields many fewer reviews for trial users these days than it used to. If, instead, they get to post three chapters or stories, they may get more reviewers overall or the same reviewers multiple times. Either would help.


I think those of us sufficiently motivated to keep the site alive will simply have to do more reviewing of new users, at least until there are many more reviewers to share the load.
With a 30-day trial, we can, hopefully, work them into our workloads.

Also, we all should point trial/new users at a forum post entitled "How to Get the Most Reviews of Your Writing" that we put together a couple of years ago about things users can do to increase the number of reviews they receive. I put it back up after the crash (thank goodness for the Way Back Machine!). I made it sticky in both Premium and in Writing Tips & Site Help in case anyone wants to have a look and give me additional feedback.

I'm closing this thread for the time being in favor of another I posted called Reviving TNBW.

594

(35 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Copied from the Migrating to Booksie thread:

Sol wrote:

Hi Dirk,

Thanks to you and everyone else for those suggestions. I'm open to keeping TNBW going in its current form but agree there need to be some changes. I can make all of the changes you suggested. They are all relatively easy to implement. I do wonder if 30 days is too long but let's see. I also wonder if 30 points might be too much for the community to handle. Members will be posting but not receiving as much feedback. Especially if the ration is also decreased. The net effect of this will be to suck reviews out of the system. But maybe we need to get more people posting first and then we can dial back the points.

Let's also plan to launch a contest. If anyone has thoughts, let me know. Maybe a short story contest based on an image? Those have always been popular.

Sol

595

(35 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Copied from the Migrating to Booksie thread.

Dirk wrote:

Thanks, Sol. As I mentioned in my first post, it was my understanding that you didn't feel you could keep running both sites indefinitely.

Combine that with the fact that the New Books (new chapters) scroll is virtually at a standstill, and that we keep losing long-term members without converting new ones to permanent membership, something has to change. Add in the lack of bug fixes (not many needed), minor enhancements (even fewer needed), and quick turnaround time for user support, and there's no obvious way to hang on to trial users. Contests may help, but to the best of my knowledge, we've kept almost no one who joined following the last one. Naturally the crash cost us users as well, but the trickle out has continued since then. And the more experienced users (among the best reviewers / mentors) we lose, the less value-add we have to offer over bigger sites, including Booksie.

I don't know yet which extra support functions you're going to transition to me, but I hoped we'd find a way to transition user support (or at least make me a first contact for the easy stuff, and I could escalate to you if I don't have the ability to help them).

The rest is out of my control, although I've been discussing with other members what we could change to gain and keep more users. In addition to the things above, it includes policy changes you didn't want to make in the past (e.g., a 30-day trial so people really get to know us and the site before being asked to pay money, 30 points up front so trial users can post roughly 3 chapters and get reviews (to assess the quality of them and compare themselves to those reviewers) before they're forced to do them too (which can be quite intimidating), and making it easier for everyone to gain points or spend fewer points). Those of us who have been around a long time (not many left) have enough points to post War & Peace several times over, so it would most help new/newer users to make it easier to gain points to post.

As we all know, the real way to succeed on this site is to develop and maintain a network of reciprocal reviewers, and you can't do that unless you get to know people here and consistently trade reviews with them (something trial users need to understand going in). To do those things, you don't *really* need points. As a result, they're largely irrelevant, so why not make it easier for everyone who needs them to get them?

EDIT: I just checked the ratio of how much it costs to post a work vs. how much that work pays. It's currently 5:1, and Alan some months ago mentioned that it seemed like it took more effort (points) to post after the crash. Sol once told us in the forums (some years back) that he thought it was 4:1. Since the feed of new work is at a standstill and most people have left, why don't we overcompensate and make it 3:1?

Marilyn and I were just talking about a system yesterday that has a ratio of roughly 3:1 (3 points to post a piece of writing of any size, 1-2 points paid to each reviewer depending on length of review, although, I believe, full points are only paid for a short time (maybe a week?) while the posted piece is in an active queue; after that it pays less. But their "inline" comment system is a joke/painful compared to ours. Still, they claim that 85 users were on the site when I checked (no clue if they count those who are always logged in) and 650 the day before.


Why not lure some of that traffic this way, with a great up front trial, faster support, timely fixes/minor tweaks, a terrific inline comment system, and a points system that is less onerous than others? Add some advertising from Sol and a few contests, and if the site still doesn't pick up, then we can at least say we did everything we could. I'd be very surprised if the above changes didn't have a strong positive impact on permanent membership.

596

(35 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

This thread is to capture posts and discussions related to steps needed to revive the site. I may close the Migrating thread for the time being. Below are a few posts copied over from the Migrating thread, including some of the things Sol has indicated can be done relatively easily. Naturally, time is of the essence.


EDIT: This is the old reviving thread. I renamed it to reflect where we are in this process. Also, I added a post for Sol at the end of this thread today (Saturday, August 31).

597

(309 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Awesome idea: I can replace Princess Stephanie (a doormat) with Nurse Catherine in the second act (the young leaders conference), and replace Paul Highlander, Joseph's 2nd cousin and best friend, who travels with him to Earth, in the third act. It's too bad about Paul since that reduces him to a short appearance in act 1 (he's present at the parade square massacre). But I can make Catherine be his older sister. That allows me to bring her into the story several times, and tie her to Paul, who is otherwise this unrelated character. Paul can come back for the dogfights in the final battle, while Catherine would accompany Joseph and Christian onboard Lupus's flagship to capture it from within. She could have training as a military medic, who accompany each raider's combat team when they board enemy vessels.

598

(309 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

The final chapter(s) of act one are done. Technically it's one huge chapter, but I posted it in three parts. Now that I've cleaned it up, the dialogue and scenes are much more appropriate to the story of Joseph in a psych ward. Still has him naked, but the focus is on the relationship between him and the nurse. Terry liked their dynamic enough, he wants to see them get together as lovers at some point in the future. I feel the same way, but book one of this trilogy really has no good way way to slip her in given where the story is going. It also blows up the whole arc of Joseph coming to terms with his homosexuality, although I could have him conclude he's probably gay in book 1, then bring Catherine (the nurse) back in book 2, where he realizes he's actually bisexual.

The odds of finishing book 1? Slim.
The odds of writing book 2? Not a hope in hell if I want to finish the Connor trilogy.
Still, act 1 is now complete. I think I'll celebrate with a high fiber brownie. tongue
On to Connor v2...

I'll scroll back through maintenance and minor enhancement requests and pull out the easy wins for review in this thread before finalizing it for Sol.

Keep in mind, 10 points yields many fewer reviews for trial users these days than it used to. If, instead, they get to post three chapters or stories, they may get more reviewers overall or the same reviewers multiple times. Either would help.


I think those of us sufficiently motivated to keep the site alive will simply have to do more reviewing of new users, at least until there are many more reviewers to share the load.
With a 30-day trial, we can, hopefully, work them into our workloads.


Also, we all should point trial/new users at a forum post entitled "How to Get the Most Reviews of Your Writing" that we put together a couple of years ago about things users can do to increase the number of reviews they receive. I put it back up after the crash (thank goodness for the Way Back Machine!). I made it sticky in both Premium and in Writing Tips & Site Help in case anyone wants to have a look and give me additional feedback.

Dirk