I made a glib comment in respect of an offensive post in the forum and that person descended upon me; immediately sought out my work and hastily 'tore it to threads'. The lesson she was dealing me was intended to belittle me, expose a multitude of flaws within with my work whilst simultaneously displaying superior editorial skills and literary knowledge upon her part.

I tried to read her review of your work earlier, through your link to it in the other thread, but I just get a notice telling me to upgrade. I'm on a free account right now & can't see inline reviews. The parts of the review you cite {further, brighter, whilst} strike me as both misleading and useless. I've gotten the further/brighter suggestions before. They don't make any sense to me.

Reading:

- Reading Like a Writer: A Guide for People Who Love Books and for Those Who Want to Write Them by Francine Prose
- A Separate Peace by John Knowles
- The Children's Civil War by James Marten (gift shop at Chickamauga) smile
- The Boy of Chancellorsville and Other Civil War Stories (ed. James Marten)

“I am reading six books at once, the only way of reading; since, as you will agree, one book is only a single unaccompanied note, and to get the full sound, one needs ten others at the same time.” ― Virginia Woolf, The Letters of Virginia Woolf: Volume Three, 1923-1928.

I read that thread in the other forum, Dill, of last night. I want to say that I feel you took me under your wing a few years ago, as a writer, after our exciting first meeting smile and I'm a much, much, much better writer for it. I had the "tear it apart" reviews too, before I met you. The bewildering ones that made me wonder how to write, and how I'd messed up. I remember you pulled me aside and started actually teaching me -- honestly, remarking on places in my work that you felt might be improved, offering examples -- but never disrespectfully. Pointing out what I did well, and why. I've learned A LOT at your elbow, and hope to continue doing so. I know you will say you've learned too: sharing and learning together. I don't feel I've contributed to your work nearly as much as you have to mine, but the conversations are and have been tremendous. I love our Shred Thread: lots of great thinking and deep looking. At the mechanics of sentencing, how it all works, why. I value all of that.

I am assuming you will beta-read my novel if I ever get around to finishing it? I don't think it's my best work or even something I can expect to publish. I still feel I'm an amateur in SO MANY WAYS, and I've lacked time for a while to tinker at the craft. But I'm still plugging away on it, trying to learn. I conceived of the idea for the book I'm working on when I was twelve, and I don't know how realistic it is anymore. The structure is clumsy -- something weaved by a child who loved to write but didn't know how. But I feel I can't move on until I've attempted to shape something of it. They say your first project is rarely the one that works. I'm thinking I try to finish it so I can move on to the work that will get me started.

I find writing incredibly, incredibly fun. That's probably not obvious as lately I hardly ever do any of it! But I still love it as much as the day we met. The very act of telling a story and finding some way to tinker it here and there so it gets close to what I envision in my imagination is still completely absorbing to me. I love to share what I write -- as in, here is something that came out of my head that didn't exist until I crafted it. I often have to force myself not to write, because if I do, I will become wholly absorbed for hours, and days, and weeks, and ignore the less exciting obligations. I have to weigh the priorities, and writing lately often gets cut off the list. I can't write for an hour. I write for ten hours, and lately I don't have ten hours. I know I need to figure out how to write in the one hour chunks. That's my biggest obstacle. I see myself as a hobbyist. I lack the self-confidence to see myself as a real writer. But I think I will get there. Learning about the craft, from structure to sentence structure? SO FUN. x

Anyway, anyone who blocks you is missing out. A little fight now & then is good for the blood. wink

Piping good points above, Dill. We're in agreement, especially when you reference "retrospective outrage and recompense" (YES) and how many of those who want to ban Gone with the Wind own a BMW, Mercedes, Nissan, Toyota, Canon, Fujifilm, Nikon... (YES). "Selective conscience" is right.

At work, we had a RAGING LIBERAL for a while. As in, one could hardly move without finding him in their path making speeches about things that did not personally touch his life at all, but about which he was outraged. He reeked of outraged as a means to be a hero, if you get what I mean. I'm sure he actually felt something about the causes he talked about, and I don't disagree that they should be discussed even if they don't personally affect you -- but he was arrogant to the point of being irritating. It's like he enjoyed being the one spreading the enflamed message to people who didn't actually disagree with him -- so he could feel like a rebel. He would pick fights with reasonable people who completely agreed with him!

One day, he started screaming about Black Lives Matter {they do, I agree wholeheartedly}, and my friend asked him how many black neighbors he had, and how often he volunteered to help them rather than merely talking about it. This friend {a conservative independent} knew the Liberal lived in an all-white neighborhood, while he {the conservative independent} actually lived in an area surrounded by black lives, helped them move, helped them with their cars, shook hands with them as he left his house, etc. There was a piece of prime real estate beside him -- a new house opened up. Possibly the Liberal would like to walk the talk and buy up that property so he could live within the world he so passionately defended? Well, that shut the guy up! He didn't want to live in that neighborhood. There's a disconnect there, somewhere.

On feminism? I've experienced a bit of unpleasant behavior personally, but not much. I was touring a museum recently, and the tour guide kept speaking to me like I was twelve. I have taken a few college classes on the ACW, read several books on the topic, visited battlefields and sites and multiple museums, and this guy spoke to me as if it was adorable I'd be holding a notebook capturing notes while there -- as if I was a kid with a school project. Meanwhile, I'm making fairly intelligent observations throughout, I think? At one point, when we were touring one of the bedrooms of the old plantation house, he bent down from across the room, fingers wriggling like they do when one is calling a dog, and he cooed, "Come here! Come here, honey. I have something to show you." My mother was a few paces away, and said the look on my face was priceless. I don't generally hold it in when I have an opinion, but I was visiting my aunt and uncle at the time. They were native to the area and extremely Southern, and I didn't want to embarrass them, so I walked forward to see what the guy wanted. He grabbed me by the shoulders and placed me on a platform that was apparently connected to a mirror the lady of the house would have used, then spun me around, like I was a prop, cooing things like "see, so pretty, look at that" and other remarkably asinine things.

I don't actually find that sort of behavior worthy of a rebellion though. In the moment I do. I was furious. But once I'm away from it, it just falls into perspective. After all, he was just one guy, quite obviously old-fashioned to the point of near insanity, who had been tucked away in an old plantation house under the Florida sun for who knows how many years. I assume anyone would go batty.

The great percentage of men I've met are intelligent, kind, respectful of my point of view, and in no way offensive. My feminism tends toward the archives, ha ha. History, literature, and how much of the female portion of both is winnowed out. I feel so strongly on that topic I want to get on a soap box and make speeches. My personal experience with the topic is literature classes about women in literature -- filled with only female students and taught by a female professor; a class on the female perspective in American history taught by a woman and filled with only female students; the history book I cite above, separated into tidy boxes with one paragraph devoted to females; the appalling reviews I've seen of Gone with the Wind, which claim that she clearly stole the story from Tolstoy or that because it was written by a woman, it isn't relevant; a recent conversation with a man who declared that he'd never allow his son to be assigned Little Women in school --

Actually, I will make a speech on that last point: This was at work (bookstore). Apparently he'd just helped a customer find a book on his son's syllabus. He didn't know what Little Women was, and when my peer handed him the book, the title, the cover {women}, the very idea of it put him into a rage. He said he'd never allow the teacher to force his son to read it. It was an outrage! My friend agreed, and reported this to me proudly because he apparently forgot I'm a thinking human..

I said, "So you wouldn't let your son read it either?" He was outraged! As in, his voice was still offended at the very idea a teacher might assign such a book to a boy. He said he would never allow his son to be assigned Little Women in school, and he wouldn't allow his daughter to be assigned Hemingway, because "she wouldn't get it."

I was stunned! I don't doubt that men/boys would find Little Women boring: tastes are tastes. But I find it appalling that so many would squirm about finding it on a syllabus. It's universally acceptable for a girl/woman to be assigned Huck Finn (or Hemingway, by the way) for an English class, but a similar novel through a female perspective is somehow "less than." Why? Because the book is filled with women? Because it's about the female lot? What? Meanwhile, domesticity was the life of half the population of the western world (and certainly the eastern, I assume!) in Alcott's era. If the book is assigned to a student who kicks and screams through reading it, fair enough: kids kick and scream through Shakespeare, too. It's understandable they might find the book out of their comfort zone. But to refuse to allow your child to READ IT? Because your child is male? This goes directly back to what we're talking about above: censorship! Picking and choosing the parts of history we'll value and remember.

Well, when I called the guy SLIGHTLY OLD-FASHIONED in his thinking, he flagged the male nearest him for confirmation, and the message was exactly the same: Hemingway is for men, Alcott is for women, and schools should not mix the subject matter. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS PHILOSOPHY. I CANNOT EVEN BELIEVE IT REQUIRES SPELLING OUT.

(I know you've also talked about not wanting to read Little Women, by the way. I'm not talking about you, Dill. I realize you're responding to a personal disinclination to read a book you'd find overly moralistic, preachy, and boring. Like Tess I assume. Personal taste. We read what we want in our free time.)

I'm talking about actually institutionalizing, with children, the idea that some books are for girls, and others are too much for girls, of the SAME AGE, and passing over a literary history as valid as the one the world remembers {the male one}. The overly moral, preachy stuff of Little Women? That's what females lived, at least here in America: their lives were saturated with the idea that goodness, perfection, catching a husband, and serving their man was their lot. BOYS SHOULD KNOW THAT ABOUT HISTORY. Otherwise we're institutionalizing censorship! They should know what women were expected to write -- the style that was considered their only public platform. They HAD to write like that. That's important to history, the way the female voice was boxed in and then panned for being in that box.

That's what I'm talking about when I say that I want the forgotten women remembered {above}. Instead they are shoved to the side, STILL, as they were in the nineteenth century. In our literature and our history books. You don't get to just NOT READ the books for school you find boring! If it's boring, maybe it's a good idea to experience that, to see what history experienced? Get into those women's history classes, gentlemen! It should be as mandatory as the male historical perspective. Even more enlightening? Would be if men took those classes voluntarily. My professor actually had to fight to get the course on the syllabus at all.

Rant aside? I've always found you receptive and intelligent on this topic, Dill xx -- never anything but. I've never once felt you consider me less than you because I'm female. I've enjoyed extremely rich discussions with you on history and literature, whether the topic is war or the "women's perspective." I appreciate that, and love that you so often choose books by or about women without seeming to even notice you're doing it. I never get the sense you're reading a book by a woman to check it off your list; you read where you're pulled because you're naturally curious. Respect. x

Oh, good! I'm glad you liked it. smile

Dill Carver wrote:

I think it's nice that they've honoured her.

Me too. smile

Underground Atlanta looks cool. You need to enjoy your history whilst you are still allowed to.
Following the removal of Confederate statues, there have been demands to destroy national monuments here in England, starting with Nelson's Column in Trafalgar Square. Liberals claim he was a bad fellow and deserves to be demonised and eradicated from celebrated history because he supported slavery. In actual fact he died for his country at Trafalgar and his victory in that battle gave Britain command of the high-seas and so were able to enforce Wilberforce's Slavery Abolition Act and eradicate the transportation of slaves, effectively killing the business outside of the USA.

What next? The Roman empire was built upon slavery... we should knock down the Colosseum, the Acqua Marcia, Basilica of Maxentius Constantine and Baths of Caracalla?

The Pyramids in Egypt were definitely constructed using slave power. Level those sites?

The world seems to have gone mad.

The latest great personally staggering smile development? People are calling to ban Gone with the Wind -- the book, the movie from public theaters! I tell you, the smelling salts are out.

Here's my thinking. Everybody wants control of the narrative, and for a LONG time, that narrative has been controlled by white men -- usually white men with money. I agree it's an issue.

The answer isn't to jerk the narrative back, and rewrite some new sort of half-narrative. The answer is to expand the narrative. Not dishonestly, giving the spotlight to the parts you like, but honestly. Easier said than done, where history has been lost to the archives, but really, people. It needn't be a competition. Just get the truth out there -- the bad, the ugly, the complex, the ironic. People can be both courageous and ridiculous. That's the truth. Just tell what happened.

My book from a recent survey class on American History reads like something out of the 1950s, Dill, and it's supposed to be the updated version! Every chapter is all about the white male history of the era. For example, "here's what happened in the twenties" is a chapter. Each chapter about what happened to white men is followed by about a paragraph each on what white women were doing at the same time; what Native-Americans were doing {usually men}; what African-Americans were doing {usually men}; what immigrants were doing {usually men}. ALL IN TIDY SEPARATE BOXES. And guess what? These little paragraphs are all about the groups' reactions to what white men were doing at the time. It's like the editors think if they tuck in a token "women count too, and here's how in under twenty words," they will have given an accurate history.

Meanwhile, none of that was happening in a tidy box at the end of the white male narrative. It was all weaved in, happening in tandem, pushing back and pulling in and inspiring and disrupting the white male narrative. The way the book writes it is remarkably segregationist, & it changes the way the history reads.

When I was poring through female history in the Early Modern era a few years ago, I found ALL KINDS of articles by women scolding men for untidy patriarchal behavior in 1600s London. They were in newspaper articles written by women, intended for all men in London to read by fireside, & they're long-lost to old archives. Those ladies had spirit! And the men often responded in kind, publically teasing back as if this was all very normal. The fact that we haven't printed the female voice doing this in history doesn't mean everyday women were quiet and orderly! It means people didn't tend to record the everyday female perspective in their history books, PROBABLY because they didn't want to encourage it. {I do realize we have books about queens. I'm talking the millions and millions of women who also existed, and weren't queens.} I'm thinking they printed the tidy everyday women, so the tidy women could act as examples for everyday women bold enough to read history in the first place, and that is what history remembers, for the most part. LOOK HOW NICE WOMEN USED TO BE. YOU LOT ARE UNRULY. {We have always been, I imagine.} As in, history has an agenda. Not history as it actually happened, but history as we've chosen to commemorate it.

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My point being that we carve whole narratives out of the parts of history that work for our era's agenda. If we cut out the parts we don't like in 2017, we are doing exactly what history has always done -- telling our part of the tale, for future generations. I think it's a bad idea on either side: why revise the past? Just tell what actually happened! Including the ugly. Including the courageous. Including what seems wholly unmemorable to you.

I? Want the women in history acknowledged, unburied, remembered. Not just the suffragists or the ones who led the marches. Not just the Jane Austens {although good on England for commemorating her!} smile I want the quiet ones who dedicated their lives to home and family remembered. The ones who gave birth year after year after year, filling the world with the men we remember, and died at only thirty-seven, their bodies spent and exhausted -- remembered. They lived. They contributed. They have been all but erased. I realize it's a pipe dream: people want to remember the ones who fought in the public sphere, and that was {through no fault of their own} very rarely women. But I want it. However, I do not want a world where we have female monuments everywhere and no memory of the rest of history. What then are we commemorating? Women in a vacuum? It would be a fraction of the tale.

Here in Atlanta we have monuments to the Confederates at our State Capitol building, and a huge {extremely controversial} monument to the Confederacy at Stone Mountain {it's like Mount Rushmore, but for the Confederates}. We also have monuments to Martin Luther King Jr., as well as a museum and church dedicated to his life and work. We have little markers on random buildings citing, for example, the old Confederate Armory, or a place where Sherman passed; we have statues of African-American people holding hands for generations on the streets; a huge image of a phoenix showing Atlanta rising up out of the ashes; an active tour within Underground Atlanta -- the old Atlanta buried under the new. All of that {and more} is this city's voice, for better or worse. If we cut out a part of it, we are telling only a part of the story. Better to place the face of courageous opposition beside that of Alexander Stephens, than to erase Stephens altogether. Carve Martin Luther King's face on Stone Mountain. Find women in Georgia history and carve them there too. Celebrate how far we have come, and give the future a face to remember.

Burning monuments, banning Gone with the Wind, tearing down isn't the answer. Building up is the answer. I read Alice Randall's The Wind Done Gone and loved it. That's how to respond to what you view as romanticized history: add your voice. Randall basically stands alongside Mitchell's novel and says, "All right, but what if Scarlett had a mulatto sister?" How can she ask that question if we bury Gone with the Wind? And if we bury Gone with the Wind, we bury its feminist strength, its narrative to a Depression-era America, its representation of what that era valued, its voice on the South where it stood. The many, many, many moments within the novel when a granddaughter of the Confederacy clearly critiques the Confederacy. Which means we bury the potential to learn, to debate, to grow. History shows us the journey we've taken as humans -- the ugly steps, the courageous steps, the staggering steps we've taken to now. And to your point, we bury human complexity. I realize I am being wholly controversial when I say that I believe there were good people on the Confederate side, and bad people on the Northern side. And certainly vice-versa. I think people can be courageous and also quite selfish. All within one life. Black or white. Because people are complex. Good people in history have agreed to fight in defense of reprehensible things. That is a fact. I cannot even imagine what it must feel like here in Atlanta to walk by the State Capitol and see the monument of a man on a horse who fought to keep my great-grandmother in bondage. I believe it would cut me through to the core, because I would know that but for the fate of the courageous who stood up for right, I would be a slave. Nothing would have changed.

So I understand why the fight is happening: the monuments tell only part of the story. They commemorate a past from a single perspective. To commemorate that perspective on the lawn of the Georgia Capitol feels like an anachronistic insult to those many, many people who can claim an enslaved ancestor. The answer isn't to tear the monuments away. Put more truth alongside them. Let us learn the whole story. Every single monument is heaped with history. Heaped with the unsaid. So say it. Scream it! Add to the narrative. Challenge the narrative. Shake the narrative. Don't erase the narrative, or all we will have left is a sanitized version of a stormy, brutal, and in many ways remarkably courageous history. We will have only a part of history, which means we will not have changed at all.

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"I have terrible news," he paused. "Jonathan is dead."

Hi Sherry! Here's my thinking: "he paused" isn't a long enough moment to actually create a pause for the reader. You're suggesting above that the mention of a pause creates tension; I'm thinking the experience of a pause creates tension.

An alternative - "I have terrible news," he said, gazing down at her shoes for so long she wanted to shake the words out of him or kick him for hoarding them. "Jonathan is dead," he said finally, and then she wanted to shove the words back into him.

In my example, the reader experiences the pause, as well as the character's internal reaction to it. In yours, the reader is told that there is a pause, in words that last the same length as "he said."

Neither option is the right one universally. I think it depends on the story. If you're writing a bare-bones story, "he paused" might be perfect. The author might not want us inside the character's head during that pause. And? Not giving us the character's response to the pause is the sort of unsaid that might amplify the silence.

But telling us how the listener FEELS during that pause might be exactly right for the story. For example, the tension in the scene might already be stretched taut, with the character at her limit, when that pause happens. And that pause is just long enough to drive her over the edge, and us with her, especially if we experience it alongside her. Also, of we experience the pause, we experience the tension of waiting for what comes next. We don't merely by being told there's a pause.

... what does the writer do to more a story forward?...  I mean the little things to get a reader to move from one paragraph to the next and to turn a page.  Is it a certain word you add that creates questions (or bubbles of tension)  that the reader wants answered?

Honestly, I think a reader moves from one paragraph to the next because the story is good. The tension slowly rises, the stakes are real, the characters are honestly depicted. We know it's heading somewhere and we want to know where.

Beyond that though, at the micro-level? I'm not quite sure how to answer this, so possibly I am missing experience vital to the question. I would say you touch on it above, with your suggestion of "pause" rather than "said." Word choice is a vital component of voice, tone, tempo! Does it make a reader read on? No idea? But I can't imagine the last moment of The Great Gatsby written any other way, and I remember that novel for its last moment. So possibly the words are the most important part of a novel. The style, the strategy of it all. Does a wordy novel push you to read on?

I've noticed I can cut paragraphs of exposition and achieve a MUCH stronger effect by saying in a line or two what it took me pages to say. A concise delivery can create a sense of suddenness. Then there are times when the long, sprawling effect is exactly what the scene needs. A bit of exposition placed just right can offer a sense of time passing and a drawn-in breath -- the "pause" of above. Maybe I want the reader to sit back and relax before I rip the rug out. Choose the wrong word by accident and you lose control of the scene; choose the wrong one purposefully and you could strike just the right chord of dissonance, adding an undercurrent of irony to an otherwise straightforward scene. And then there's the unsaid: if you don't say something explicitly, it can scream implicitly.

I have no idea if that answers your question! smile

I'd love a signed first edition of Gone with the Wind, but it's SLIGHTLY out of my price range. wink

I went to Oakland Cemetery this weekend. My family intended to visit Underground Atlanta, but it's closed, so I naturally suggested Margaret's grave. Weirdly I talked them into it! We walked through the Confederate quarter and discussed history. At one point I glanced up, and we were standing in front of Alexander Stephens's stone! {Vice-President of the Confederacy.}

cobber wrote:

If people are looking to have a cover designed, this is the company I used. I was happy with the work they did.

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Thank you for sharing the link to the people who did your cover! Those prices look great. I agree with others that your cover looks really professional.

Are you self-publishing? I was just saying to someone the other day that I feel if one is going to go the self-pub route, they should invest in a really good cover. That's unfortunately what will attract buyers, I think. Bad cover, they assume the book's bad and move on without investigating. Yours looks really great! The website is also professional. Best of luck with the launch! smile

My observation is because it's interesting how a current no-no didn't seem to be so back in the 1930´s, and it didn't stop the story from turning into a bestseller and an Oscar-awarded movie in Hitchcock hands.

I agree with dagnee: the opening points the finger to Manderley and suggests the narrator is so moved by whatever is about to happen at that estate as the tale unfolds, she cannot get away from it. So the opening isn't an unrelated dream: it's a lyrical, and HAUNTING, way to say that whatever is coming is IMPORTANT. If she was dreaming about a two-headed cat chasing her and then she popped awake to make her breakfast and decide whether she was having coffee or tea with her cereal, the dream opening would be the cliché "I don't know where to start this story so I'll start with her morning" blech that results in an auto-reject. Totally different when the dream relates to the story.

It isn't that beginning with a dream makes for an immediate bad story, necessarily; rather, beginning with a dream is a hint that the author lacks ingenuity. So if your writing is flat and you open with a dream -- bleh, auto-reject. This author lacks verve! However, if the dream is well-done, the suit might read on...

{Not to say I think anyone should open with a dream. Probably a gamble as a new writer!}

Norm d'Plume wrote:

Here's an amazing list of famous rejection tales:
www.litrejections.com/best-sellers-initially-rejected.

"Margaret Mitchell gets 38 rejections from publishers before finding one to publish her novel Gone With The Wind. It sells 30 million copies."

I don't know about the rest of the books on this list, but the one about Gone with the Wind is completely untrue.

Margaret Mitchell never submitted Gone with the Wind officially. She certainly never submitted it 38 times, and she was never rejected for it. She spontaneously presented it to an editor who had spent a couple days with her BEGGING her for a look at a novel she claimed {and had been claiming for years} she wasn't writing. If he hadn't been so persistent, and a friend hadn't made the mistake of daring her, we probably wouldn't have Gone with the Wind.

She had written most of it several years earlier {1926-1929} because she'd injured her ankle and had nothing to do while housebound. Accustomed to a fast-paced life as a reporter in Atlanta, she was suddenly reduced to sitting around all day staring at the walls. She tried reading, but eventually that bored her, and since she enjoyed writing, she decided to take on a novel. Before she finished the project, life overwhelmed her. She'd long since given it up as "lousy" {though she privately worked on it sporadically, too shy with it to truly believe it would ever be ready for publication} when Harold Latham of MacMillan Publishing Company came through Atlanta in the 1930s. He was on the hunt for a new Southern writer, & having received a tip from a mutual acquaintance that she was writing something and could write well, he set his sights on Mitchell. She was spending the day with him showing him around Atlanta as a favor for a writing friend. She told him repeatedly that day she had no novel, adamantly changing the topic whenever he brought it up. She met him again the following day at a luncheon, and again rejected his repeated questions about her novel. By now he'd spoken enough to her, and heard enough about her, to be truly intrigued.

That night, a writing acquaintance {who had often benefited from Mitchell's research and suggestions when it came to her own novel} commented that it was remarkable Mr. Latham had thought Margaret could write a whole book, for Mitchell didn't take life seriously enough to accomplish such a feat. Mitchell was driving at the time, having spent the last couple days ferrying Mr. Latham as well as several writing friends, who hoped to sell their work to him, all over Atlanta. She had to stop the car when she began laughing. Furious by the taunt {for she despised not be taken seriously}, she stormed home and scoured her apartment, collecting the frayed manila envelopes containing long-forgotten chapters from Gone with the Wind, which she had stuffed everywhere in prior years as she randomly wrote: in the bathroom, under the sofa, in the closet. Each envelope contained multiple chapter revisions. They were all out of order, and since she had written the scenes spontaneously over a period of years, she had no idea which chapters had been completed anymore, and which hadn't. She'd never written the opening of the book, and some chapters failed to tie together important details in the story. All of it was in her head, and it had been so long since she'd written it she could no longer remember where it was incomplete.

She presented this stack, wholly out of order, to an astonished Harold Latham as he was leaving his hotel for the train. She later recalled that she was "hatless, hair flying, dirt all over my face and arms and, worse luck, my hastily rolled up stocking coming down about my ankles" {Walker, 197}. The stack was as tall as she was. As she progressed through the lobby, she had to stop several times to retrieve random chapters that leapt from the pile. He was, she claimed, able to keep a straight face. She told him to just take it for goodness sake, before she changed her mind. He began to read from a random chapter on the train, and when she telegraphed just hours later begging to retract her impulsive submission, he begged her to let him refuse, claiming he was already hooked.

That is how Gone with the Wind was published. She submitted it once, on impulse, in the most unprofessional way imaginable, & it was snapped up immediately.

Sources:
Gone with the Wind Letters by Margaret Mitchell – posthumous (1976)
Letters From Margaret (ed. Julian Granberry) – 2001
Southern Daughter: The Life of Margaret Mitchell by Darden Asbury Pyron (1991)
Margaret Mitchell and John Marsh: The Love Story Behind Gone With the Wind by Marianne Walker (1993)
Margaret Mitchell’s Gone With the Wind: A Bestseller’s Odyssey by Ellen F. Brown and John Wiley, Jr. (2011)

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"Every generation thinks the next one will destroy the civilized world. They finally may be right." - Mom

"I've reached the age when I am just truly appalled." - Mom

{Random comments by my mother in the last couple days.}

This whole list could be read as really bad foreplay:

... her nose crinkled
his nose wrinkled
she sneered
his nostrils flared
she stuck her nose in the air
he sniffed
she sniffled...

wink

Dill Carver wrote:

There's also the other trend. Some of the naff free stuff became so popular, because it is so bad, that now it sells for big money. Like charging voyeurs to gawp at the train wreck. 

https://www.amazon.com/ANTIGUA-Land-Fai … nise+Ellis

I read the first page using the "look inside" feature. That's! Good! Stuff!

Dill Carver wrote:

The Last Tudor by Philippa Gregory

Did you go to a signing? We are on the same wavelength! I JUST HAD that one out from the library, but my currently reading stack has accumulated into a tower again, so I chose The Last Tudor to go back & make room for other reads. If you read it soon, you'll have to tell me if you love it, so I can prioritize! smile I think you should break the spine.

I'm still on Alison Weir's Katherine of Aragon {EXCELLENT -- I wish she'd already written the rest of this series, but I'll have to wait until 2018 for the next book!}, & have just finished Norman Mclean's A River Runs Through It & Other Stories. I have an essay by Thoreau on tap next {"October, or Autumnal Tints"}. He's a favorite of mine. I will probably read it this afternoon, because I can smell autumn in the air for the first time today. <3

Because I just read a novel about Caroline Ingalls, I've begun Laura Ingalls Wilder's annotated autobiography Pioneer Girl, which I bought last year and never made time for. {The Ingalls family were American pioneers during and after the ACW. The novels were written for children; the autobiography was intended for adults but published posthumously. Laura was a little girl during the pioneer days. Caroline was her mother.}

In Gone with the Wind I'm just reaching the bazaar. I'm taking the reread slow so it lasts. smile smile

Dill Carver wrote:

The Zookeeper's Wife by Diane Ackerman

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Marilyn Johnson wrote:
corra wrote:

I'm not sure any organ in the human body reveals more courage and perseverance than the uterus.

Great line, Corra!  I hope you turn that into a short story...  smile

It's a loooooong story! As old as humanity. ;-)

Oh, that's nice! Reduce it to a piece of meat. Just like a man!!

Dill Carver wrote:
corra wrote:

I'm not sure any organ in the human body reveals more courage and perseverance...

http://media.4rgos.it/i/Argos/6690555_R_Z001A?$Web$&amp;w=570&amp;h=513&amp;$WebPDPBadge570$&amp;topright=empty&amp;bottomleft=empty or is more easily distracted

corra wrote:

...than the uterus.

wink

Sometimes you want to know precisely what you're getting. Then, you look to the unicorn. No games. Just sparkle.

I'm not sure any organ in the human body reveals more courage and perseverance than the uterus.

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Sideman wrote:

Corra,

I knew you were kidding ... but I truly am embarrassed as you and Patti (flowing pencil) were the first to welcome me. Someday you'll be 70 years old and then you'll understand! Hugs your way, too.

Alan

Hugs!! smile

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Sideman wrote:

Corra,

I am totally embarrassed! yes, I should have included your name. We had many, many exchanges, both on and off the site. if you recall, I had a dear friend who lived near you. He passed away three years ago. The sheer embarrassment od that omission is punishing enough; yet you may feel free to pummel me at will with every wet noodle at your disposal. I'm truly sorry!

No worries!! I was only joking! When you make a list like that you have to expect people to come up out of the woodwork to protest the omission of their name. wink

{Sorry to hear about your friend.}

Shut up! lol

Lovely story, Gacela. That made me grin. smile

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I joined in April 2008. I was most active from around 2008-2012. Since then I've been drudging through college classes and have barely written a thing. smile

Sideman wrote:

Those the ones who come to mind...

Alan, I'm astonished you failed to list me. I wonder if when I knew you I was writing as Mabel? I've had both pen names here. Nevertheless, I'm afraid I may have to crumple under the grudge I shall now carry for life.