Oh, is that why you split up the groups on the new site? You'd prefer each group have its own moderator? I find it frustrating, but I can see why you'd prefer not to do that on your own. I still think we miss a lot of potentially rich conversation for the quarantine. I didn't realize you act alone as moderator within the main forum. I hadn't thought of that side, actually. I wonder if people would volunteer to moderate. (I wouldn't.)
76 2017-09-15 15:34:36
Re: Ability to categorize posts within a group? (7 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
77 2017-09-15 12:40:17
Re: Ability to categorize posts within a group? (7 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Although, I do want to add: I think mere categorization isn't enough. It's a start, but even better would be to provide a live list of all recent threads -- a central helm tying it all together. If we can't have a main forum where we can share together as a group, we could at least have a live feed of everything. I love (love) the idea of universal categorization. But I would also love being able to click on and see what lively things have been said lately, over the vast field of the site, so I can participate without having to search on each category one by one. What if someone offers a great tip I'd have loved to know about, but I never read it because it didn't occur to me to click the "great tip" category? My, I hate the burying away of topics.
78 2017-09-15 12:25:58
Re: Social media - do you do it? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
corra wrote:Thank you for those ideas and suggestions, Bunny. I haven't talked to you in a while. I hope you're well. xx
I'm functional.
And still designing beautiful pictures, I imagine! And helping the animals of the world. x
79 2017-09-15 12:24:46
Re: Social media - do you do it? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Thank you so much for the input, everyone!
The impression I'm getting is that 1) a platform allows you an ability to connect with others in the industry 2) it provides you a platform to give back to the writing community (featuring authors and their books) 3) it's a place to post your own writing so it doesn't become lost in the sea of other books 4) it may or may not, however, translate into actual sales 5) it can potentially be extremely time-consuming.
I guess I'm wondering who the targeted audience is when you begin a social media platform? Readers of the genre you write in? People within the industry (which would make writing about writing as a blogger seem more relevant). Readers in general? If you write about writing, aren't you just writing to a bevy of fellow writers -- sending tips into the echo chamber? Wouldn't you want to speak to the people you intend your book for? (I ask not to criticize, but to understand how you view the platform's purpose.)
It seems like whatever site I write should showcase my natural voice, so people know the style they can find within my books. I like the idea of giving back to the community. I also like the idea of a fairly active site where I focus on quality over quantity. I feel that whatever a writer chooses as her medium in the social media world, it should act as a mirror to her prose voice. That way people can sense what they're getting if they read her books. And I do like Pinterest for a fun place to collect pretty pictures.
An acquaintance of mine has just released a novel retelling of Little Women. Her site focuses on questions surrounding Little Women -- essays, fun posts conjecturing about the characters, etc. She rarely mentions her novel. She just has it posted in her sidebar. However, I find her writing voice intelligent and interesting enough I quietly purchased her book. I met her because I am interested in the topic of Little Women and stumbled upon her site. I never would have heard of her novel. I found it because of her platform, which exudes her joy in the topic.
I'd love to find some sort of idea that couples well with what I want to write. I'm not sure I could focus as specifically as she does, since I wouldn't want to marry myself to a single era in history (example, American Civil War), but I love the way her site naturally reflects the topic of her book. People arrive there and find her novel a bonus naturally coupled with the topic that attracted them to her online writing in the first place.
Lots of questions to think about! Meanwhile, I'm not writing the good stuff! It doesn't sound like there's any real rush on getting this set up, so I think I'll back-burner it for a while. Keep my eyes open to an interesting idea.
Thanks again everyone! Keep sharing if you have tips and experience please.
80 2017-09-15 11:45:40
Re: Ability to categorize posts within a group? (7 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
The search control has the option to search across multiple or even all groups, so it could be made to search for a given category across groups. That way it doesn't matter if you put your posts in a specific group or in Premium.
That would help a lot! I didn't even bother putting my recent thread on social media in the Marketing Group because 1) I didn't know it existed 2) there is no way to categorize groups beyond blind search 3) the last post in that group was written in 2016.
Now Sol. How many of us have decried the lack of cohesion within the forums? Listen to Norm, please. It would, in my opinion, be a VAST improvement if you could find a way to tie together all the scattered groups so people can actually converse with one another, and locate conversations on relevant topics. I realize you wanted the site to be more about the reviewing than the forums, but I'm not sure a single topic at this site has been more decried than the vast silence that has followed the decision to quarantine lively conversation.
81 2017-09-15 11:33:24
Re: Post-Its. (58 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
I know! History is so rich with story!!
Why am I not surprised that the revolution was your fault?
Why indeed? Now I can claim William Wallace (not dna-confirmed yet) and Captain Robert Messer as predecessors. It's no wonder I spoil the threads with compounding joy! I come from a long line of disruptive people! xx
82 2017-09-14 22:52:18
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
Hey!!!
83 2017-09-14 22:22:48
Re: Post-Its. (58 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
Apparently President Jimmy Carter wrote a novel about the origins of the American Revolution in the South, & it features the Regulators of the Carolinas! I just held it at the library!
84 2017-09-14 22:15:34
Re: Post-Its. (58 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
I just got DNA proof that Captain Robert Messer is definitely my grandfather. I find this MOST exciting. Actual DNA evidence that his cells are a part of mine!
He participated in the Battle of Alamance in North Carolina in 1771. "Some historians in the late nineteenth-early twentieth centuries considered the battle to be the opening salvo of the American Revolution, and locals agreed with this assessment. Yet, this has been questioned by present-day historians arguing that the Regulators (though viewed in the eyes of the royal governor and his allies as being in rebellion against King, country, and law) were not intending a complete overthrow of His Majesty's Government in North Carolina. They were only standing up against those certain local officials who had become corrupt and unworthy tools of the King, and they only turned to riot and armed rebellion as a last resort when all other peaceful means through petitions, elections to the Assembly, etc. had failed to redress their grievances..."
"Gentlemen and Regulators: Those of you who are not too far committed should desist and quietly return to your homes, those of you who have laid yourselves liable should submit without resistance. I and others promise to obtain for you the best possible terms. The Governor will grant you nothing. You are unprepared for war! You have no cannon! You have no military training! You have no commanding officers to lead you in battle. You have no ammunition. You will be defeated!" - Royal Governor William Tryon
Six men were found guilty of treason and were sentenced to be hanged, drawn and quartered, although in practice, they were only hanged:
Benjamin Merrill
Robert Matear (Matter)
James Pugh
Captain Robert Messer
Peter Craven
One unknown man
Plaque from battleground monument. Reads: "Of the twelve regulators condemned at Hillsboro, the following six were executed by the British Governor: James Pugh, Robert Matear, Benjamin Merrill, Captain Messer, and two others whose names are now unknown. 'Our blood will be as good seed in good ground, that will soon produce one hundred fold.' - James Pugh, under the gallows at Hillsboro, N.C., June 19th, 1771."
I'm descended through Robert's son Solomon, who was six at the time of the battle & hanging. Solomon's older brother Christian, who was eleven, asked that he be hanged in his father's place. What courage.
Apparently Robert was hanged because he refused to swear loyalty to the Crown. Several other Regulators were pardoned.
I love reading about real people of that era. Especially when they are my grandfather! I'll have to visit the battle site.
85 2017-09-14 21:48:52
Re: Social media - do you do it? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Thank you for those ideas and suggestions, Bunny. I haven't talked to you in a while. I hope you're well. xx
86 2017-09-14 19:30:57
Re: Social media - do you do it? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Anybody do Pinterest? I was looking at the website of one of my favorite current authors (Sally Cabot Gunning). She doesn't blog. She is on Facebook, Goodreads, and Pinterest. I popped over to her Pinterest site & saw this right away - https://www.pinterest.com/salgunning/mo … t-gunning/
WOW! That looks way more fun than blogging!
https://www.pinterest.com/salgunning/time-capsule/ <---- I know!
87 2017-09-14 18:49:06
Re: (Site Support) Blocking members, how does it work? (29 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
The only other thing I ask is do not whine to me about what other people are saying to and about you.
I was going to respond here, "I'm going to block you so I can whine about other people in the Fight Club on your profile page at my leisure," but I see you have already blocked me! I am a sitting duck! Commence heckling!
88 2017-09-14 18:38:54
Re: Social media - do you do it? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Only under one of my penn names (I have three - a different one for each genre I write in)
Oh, never mind my prior question, Alan. I misread this line originally. I thought it meant you write social media only for one of your three genres under one of your three pen names. I see now you mean you write for social media only under pen names, of which you have three. That must be a lot to keep up with!
89 2017-09-14 18:19:54
Re: Social media - do you do it? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Thanks Ann and Alan! Ann, what do you blog about? Alan, do you find that you are at a disadvantage since you're not on social media in each of your genres? (I vaguely recall you mentioning recently that you'd started a blog?)
Dill, your feedback wins today's merit badge.
90 2017-09-14 18:12:59
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
And then exploded the thread, to give us all something to think about!!
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91 2017-09-14 17:39:51
Re: (Site Support) Blocking members, how does it work? (29 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I'm getting to the age and condition where I can't remember what specific insults I've issued to whom.
Totally understandable. You have aged quite well, however.
92 2017-09-14 13:55:41
Re: Social media - do you do it? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I'm slowly increasing my contacts across the various media sites.
I assume that is the purpose of it? Or possibly to give people a quick glance at your writing skills online? I notice you tweet about your novel. I couldn't do that as I've never written one in full, so I'm a bit puzzled about what I would say.
As to blogging, I'm hung up on theme. Everything says have a theme when you blog -- a point to your site. Mine might be history, as I hope to publish historical fiction. But what era? What topic? What part of it -- women in history? children in history? I have no history degree, and may write my next book in a different era. I have a super exciting idea for a reading project, but it is in no way related to my writing, so I feel it would split my attention. If I blog on history (a possible avenue), do I attempt to present myself as an expert (I am not), or an explorer (I am)? If I share my exploration in history, am I then giving away all my research? Also, there's the whole Hemingway thing: don't talk about what you're writing until you've written it. So why am I blogging before I write the novel? I find it upside-down. My instincts are all screaming "write the novel! Forget the platform for now," but this flies in the face of all the writing advice out there. Possibly I'm overthinking it, or beginning with the final course when I have yet to eat the salad.
Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone else feels this way, or has successfully taken on social media and seen results. It sounds like you have, Randall. I appreciate you sharing!
93 2017-09-14 13:42:10
Re: (Site Support) Blocking members, how does it work? (29 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Well, sir. You are most inconsistent. I clearly recall you comparing me to one of these in the recent past. If I'm a hobbit now, I feel tall! And tidy!
94 2017-09-14 13:27:06
Re: Social media - do you do it? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Thanks Randall! Did you begin writing it before you published, or after (at your publisher's recommendation)?
Your site looks really nice. LOVE the Guardian review! That's exciting! I can't find a link to your Twitter feed. I'd love a peek to see how you use it?
95 2017-09-14 13:16:58
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
- The Boy of Chancellorsville and Other Civil War Stories (ed. James Marten)
In my copy of this book, "Chancellorsville" is spelled "Chancellorville" on the cover and within the table of contents. I was feeling rather smug for having noticed, & considered writing the editor, but I reached the actual story "The Boy of Chancellorville" within the anthology last night, and the editor introduces it with a note explaining that in the ACW days, people spelled "Chancellorsville" without the s. That's a new ACW fact! xx
96 2017-09-14 13:07:02
Topic: Social media - do you do it? (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I see advice everywhere (writing sites, writing blogs, writing books) that in order to have a platform when you publish, you must begin getting your name out there early. I'm wondering if any of you follow that advice, and how it has worked for you?
Do you blog? Use Twitter, Instagram, Facebook? If so, how much? And are you also writing fiction? Have you published, and do you find that having a presence on social media has in fact accomplished anything? I've tried blogging for fun (it is rather fun, the topic was books!), but I found it so time-consuming I deleted the blog. Wouldn't my time be better spent actually writing fiction?
I'd love to know people's experiences on this topic. Also, if you blog, what do you blog about? Almost invariably, I find that writers blog about books or writing. How do you stand out?
Thanks! corra.
97 2017-09-14 12:21:50
Re: (Site Support) Blocking members, how does it work? (29 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I think I have a bit of a 'troll' situation going on where a member who has blocked me from their stuff (fair enough) seems to still be able to retrospectively edit/amend review comments upon my work into harassing messages.
It's me, by the way. He can't be rid of me. I have the power now.
98 2017-09-14 12:20:08
Re: (Site Support) Blocking members, how does it work? (29 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
If someone has blocked me from accessing their work, I no longer have the permission required to block them from mine. That Author's profile, is as Janet says, marked private. The 'block' button does not appear.
This is an uncomfortable loophole! I just looked: if I've blocked a person, I can see the little gold button on their profile saying I blocked them, & allowing me to unblock. I can also see their little quickie box and (should I choose) leave them a message! I found the profile of a member who has blocked me, & I get a screen saying their profile is private. No option to block back. Yet they can leave me a quickie? Dig through my posted writing? Review me? Fortunately this person meant the block as a block -- he/she doesn't bother me. It would be extremely annoying to be blocked by someone who then decided to heckle me, however. Skew-whiff is right!
99 2017-09-13 22:40:17
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
A few opening paragraphs of this story were given the supportive, nurturing 'review' al Karen van Kriedt 'tear to shreds approach' (after which it would be patronizing to say 'good work or 'well done'). Bearing in mind this piece has already received 7 regular reviews and 5 other in-line reviews which have been digested and incorporated. It also won first place within the competition that it was written for.
I agree with her that your use of the word "whilst" causes "questions of trust" in the reader. I have always eyed you skeptically due to your British lexicon.
The rest of this review makes me scratch my head. In all honesty, I read it through and sat stunned for a moment, because the weird blend of authoritative delivery and bad feedback is so potentially misleading. She corrects you on passive construction without understanding what passive construction is. (It's not what she cites.) Her remarks on how we know the guy is pointing between the eyes don't even makes sense? The line "grotesque scene" is a piping good two-word set-up that creates a sardonic preview of the visual that follows. "Cockney gravel" is fine? It delivers the sound perfectly and compactly. "He balled his left fist and landed a vicious sideways jab" separates the two actions for the reader. Her suggested rewrite destroys the subtle choreography, altering the reader's experience to no logical purpose. The "leap" she cites at the end? You are showing rather than telling by having him exercise intuition? And the guy under torture not indicating self-pity? THAT IS THE CHARACTER? I could go on. (I mean "on" like "further," where I was previously. Before that, I was brighter. By the way, you clearly meant brighter than the watery London dawn.)
All of that might be pardonable if she delivered it with a note of humility. We're all works in progress: no shame in that. Just say so! But I sense a weird patronizing note coupled with the feedback. From what I can see above, 1) she doesn't finish the story 2) she doesn't comment on content or the story as a whole 3) she uses lines like "fussy" and "you can do better" rather than providing helpful analysis and examples. 4) the tone of the whole review is curt. The fact that she doesn't appear to have finished the story in particular irritates me: it's like she's subtly telling you that the many "mistakes" she found in your first few paragraphs make reading the rest a tax on her time. But the story is excellent!
I don't know the woman from anyone, but I can see why this would make you angry. You can see it for what it is, but a newer writer might be thrown. In my opinion, she should change her reviewing style and start sharing, listening, and learning, rather than instructing. She isn't skilled enough yet to instruct, and pretending she is could seriously throw off new writers. There's no shame in being in the early stages as a writer, and saying so within a review.
(Whilst.)
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Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
What I really hate is when people object to say, a female pilot. She may be the best person for the job, the most gifted and skilled, but she is dismissed as inferior assumed incapable by some, purely because of her gender. That's real sexism and I find it totally incomprehensible. Why would you demand a worse pilot simply because he is of a different gender?
That's overt sexism. I agree with you on this!
... sometimes sexism is mistaken for patronisation.
Agreed. In this case, it felt like both, if that makes sense. It felt like he was looking at me, and reflecting himself off of what he imagined, rather than what actually stood before him. And it's hard for me to explain how that's different from patronization when you've never experienced it yourself (I assume). But it's different. It's like when Atticus tells Scout "we must be nice to Tom Robinson" (or words to that effect.) Atticus is practicing racism, under the hat of paternalism. He is also being patronizing. It's not necessarily one or the other. The same with patronization and sexism. I feel that the guy reduced me in order to elevate himself: like, "here's a little woman, she must be helpless and empty-headed, I will get to be the person who knows the things and she will look up to me, how cute that she is so small, I will spin her." He makes me small, he gets to be bigger. He never sees me. Patronizing? Yes? Sexist? Absolutely.
My mother and aunt? He didn't treat them better! He didn't coo at them, but he didn't treat them like intelligent beings. He aimed his sexism my way, and his tourist speech my uncle's way, and left the other two a wide and jolly berth. My poor aunt could barely contain herself after the first hour and fell over laughing in a stairwell. I was so mad by this time my eyes had actually become pistols, but when she started laughing I fell over laughing too. My mother found us there several minutes later and fell over too. My poor uncle was left alone with the lecturer, who barely noticed our absence! When finally my uncle collected us, he was red in the face with embarrassment, and we with hilarity!
I tease with 'Little Women;' the truth is that I can't wait to get to it.
You said "get"! So American.