Dill Carver wrote:

Talulah reflected that answering "No" to the question, "Hello, is any one in?" might have blown her cover.

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Dill Carver wrote:

A little testy?

Said the bold professor on the last day of class, tossing back his head to laugh the self-satisfied laugh of the tenured as twenty-five sullen mouths grimaced and forty-nine* haggard eyes sighed, for they'd studied all night.

*one of the students is a pirate.

That's my sister Serena's favorite book. She gave me a copy a couple years ago. :-) I love, love, love that last passage you quoted. And the second one. All of them really, but those two especially.

I've never seen an adaptation, so the story is entirely new to me. I had heard that it's a slog until a few hundred pages in, but I've found it completely charming from the start. It makes me laugh, or feel for the little fellow as if he's real. I've considered A Christmas Carol my favorite of Dickens's works until now, but I may change my mind before I finish this one. I have the Maggie Smith / Daniel Radcliffe adaptation at my elbow. I might pop it in this week. x

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http://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-sh … oliloquies

I'm about 140 pages into David Copperfield. xx

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This is the preface from the first folio, published by Shakespeare's friends in 1623. Not only is it clear Shakespeare was well-known and thought of highly, Ben Jonson includes his name & a few words in the preface. Next to Shakespeare, Jonson was the most acclaimed dramatist of his age. He was known for his integrity -- and he puts his name on the folio just seven years after Shakespeare's death. Quite unlikely he'd have done such a thing for a mystery head in the sky, or for an actor who only pretended he'd written the works. One can only assume all of these people in the preface had spoken with Shakespeare himself and had likely experienced his brilliance first hand.

From Jonson's eulogy:

Soule of the Age !
The applause ! delight ! the wonder of our Stage !
My Shakespeare, rise; I will not lodge thee by
Chaucer, or Spenser, or bid Beaumont lye
A little further, to make thee a roome :
Thou art a Moniment, without a tombe,
And art alive still, while thy Booke doth live,
And we have wits to read, and praise to give.
That I not mixe thee so, my braine excuses ;
I meane with great, but disproportion'd Muses :
For, if I thought my judgement were of yeeres,
I should commit thee surely with thy peeres,
And tell, how farre thou dist our Lily out-shine,
Or sporting Kid or Marlowes mighty line.
And though thou hadst small Latine, and lesse Greeke,
From thence to honour thee, I would not seeke
For names; but call forth thund'ring schilus,
Euripides, and Sophocles to vs,
Paccuvius, Accius, him of Cordova dead,
To life againe, to heare thy Buskin tread,
And shake a stage : Or, when thy sockes were on,
Leave thee alone, for the comparison
Of all, that insolent Greece, or haughtie Rome
Sent forth, or since did from their ashes come.
Triumph, my Britaine, thou hast one to showe,
To whom all scenes of Europe homage owe.
He was not of an age, but for all time !

For a good Poet's made, as well as borne.
And such wert thou. Looke how the fathers face
Lives in his issue, even so, the race
Of Shakespeares minde, and manners brightly shines
In his well toned, and true-filed lines :
In each of which, he seemes to shake a Lance,
As brandish't at the eyes of Ignorance.
Sweet swan of Avon! what a fight it were
To see thee in our waters yet appeare,
And make those flights upon the bankes of Thames,
That so did take Eliza, and our James !
But stay, I see thee in the Hemisphere
Advanc'd, and made a Constellation there !
Shine forth, thou Starre of Poets, and with rage,
Or influence, chide, or cheere the drooping Stage;
Which, since thy flight fro' hence, hath mourn'd like night,
And despaires day, but for thy Volumes light.

Sounds to me they knew just seven years after his death that he was something.

Shakespeare was very well known when he died. Queen Elizabeth asked him to write her a play with John Falstaff in it -- The Merry Wives of Windsor. There are court records of the actual Shakespeare existing. It's not like he wrote in a dark room with a mask over his face. He was involved in the productions, wrote them, directed them, acted in them. He couldn't have been more obviously RIGHT THERE. The front piece in his later works named him specifically.

Is the theory that some mystery person wrote Shakespeare's plays and gave him the credit for works that were cherished by everyone high to low ? For what purpose? And he or she never came forward, even in death, to claim notoriety, and none of Shakespeare's friends and family ever accidentally slipped and mentioned that he was a complete fraud, and none of the actual writer's family ever left a single trace of proof about the real authorship? And all of this speculation is in response to what? the fact that Shakespeare acted? All the references to Will in his works -- not at all relevant? The staff (speare) he breaks at the end of The Tempest? just planted there to keep us all throughout history thinking the author was Shakespeare? The side characters named William EVERYWHERE in his plays? Absolutely unrelated?

If the point here is that an actor couldn't write the plays, that's frankly silly. Shakespeare wrote of human nature at all levels -- not just royalty. Of course an actor could capture that.

Pirated copies of Shakespeare's work were circulating all over before he died. His friends made his work known because the copies circulating were supplied by actors who attempted to recite everyone's lines in the work (so they could be written in the pirated copies) & often got the lines wrong. They BUTCHERED Hamlet's "to be or not to be" soliloquy. That's why there are different versions of Shakespeare's works in circulation to this day. The works published by his friends preserved the more accurate versions. It's likely true that Shakespeare had no idea he'd still be remembered today. He didn't bother updating the stage directions in his plays because he spoke to the actors directly. He probably did want to be known (he wrote all those sonnets) but as a playwright he would have assumed that the play itself was the thing, rather than the script. So yes, absolutely, we owe those friends of Shakespeare's! But not for publishing plays written by a mystery person. For publishing William Shakespeare's plays. (I know you made no such suggestion, njc. Just speaking to all those who believe the conspiracy theories.)

Some say Elizabeth I wrote Shakespeare's plays! And some that Shakespeare was actually Christopher Marlowe -- a claim made solely because Marlowe died when Shakespeare began writing. I've read Marlowe. Not the same man, folks. And really? Elizabeth I? The Virgin Queen made sexual innuendos and challenged the validity of the monarchy?

Occam's razor, people. It's far more logical to suppose that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare's plays than to assume that some enormous and absolutely meaningless mystery fooled all of Renaissance England for YEARS, and that it was NEVER uncovered, and that an actor named William just went along with it and also got to direct all of the plays and no one, upon no one, ever outed him for four hundred years.

“And what is writ, is writ,
Would it were worthier! but I am not now
That which I have been.”
― George Gordon Byron, Childe Harold's Pilgrimage

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I just finished The Summer Before the War by Helen Simonson.

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"I write it out in a verse --
MacDonagh and MacBride
And Connolly and Pearse
Now and in time to be,
Wherever green is worn,
Are changed, changed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born."

- W.B. Yeats, Easter 1916.

Ha! Just like a man! lol

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I totally agree. Those posters and trailers do not represent the novel that I know.

THE LATEST JANE AUSTEN FILM IS COMING! IN MAY!

See the inspiration for Scarlett? Maybe. smile

I think Austen was nineteen when she wrote this novel. I've read it. QUITE funny. Her earliest works are the funniest ones. She wrote them to entertain her family.

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“Do you know—I hardly remembered you?”
“Hardly remembered me?”
“I mean: how shall I explain? I—it’s always so. Each time you happen to me all over again.“

-Edith Wharton, The Age of Innocence

"It is with words as with sunbeams -- the more they are condensed, the deeper they burn." - Robert Southey

"With much interest I sat watching him. Savage though he was, and hideously marred about the face—at least to my taste—his countenance yet had a something in it which was by no means disagreeable. You cannot hide the soul. Through all his unearthly tattooings, I thought I saw the traces of a simple honest heart; and in his large, deep eyes, fiery black and bold, there seemed tokens of a spirit that would dare a thousand devils."

- Herman Melville, Moby-Dick

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corra wrote:

Har! Are you insinuating Dickens is the ass? lol

No, Mrs, Bumble, it were Dickens, himself, insinuating that the Law is the Ass.

And therein coining the George Chapman phrase for all time. (Sorry for the Twist in the order of things M'lady  wink ).

Har! That is a Twist! And well played, sir! lol

badger?

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"The mind is its own place and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven." - John Milton

(I'm reading the first couple books of Paradise Lost for a class. This line jumped out.)

Prosecution is badgering the witness!

It all becomes confusing, you see. Carry on, then.

Har! Are you insinuating Dickens is the ass? lol

(Sorry.)

I'd forgotten about this film! I've read the book by Claire Tomalin and would love to see this!

Dill Carver wrote:

Your Anna is my Tess then?

In a way, yes, because it remains unfinished. But I love Anna Karenina.  I love the way Tolstoy opens with Oblonsky's affair, and lets us see people rally to help him repair it. This effects the way we read Anna's story (I think), which I really appreciate. I recall liking Levin's story a lot too.

I'll probably start again from the beginning when I pick it up again. I was reading it alongside a lot of other tomes and set it aside because I felt it deserved less of my reading promiscuity. smile

(I'm thinking I might read Ruth by Elizabeth Gaskell soon? It was written about forty years before Tess and pursues a similar theme, apparently. But by a woman author.) x