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(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

AJ Reid wrote:

So basically, I'm left wondering why the need to repeat it and why not simply using what Amy said: 

"After dinner and the children were put to bed, Glasselle sat down to explore her new Atlas."

Because it's grammatically unsound.  One object of that 'after' is a noun and the other is a clause.  You can't 'and' them unless dinner was put to bed, too.  ("Is it warmer in the summer or in the Catskills?"  Quote due, as far as I know, to Professor Milton Stecher.)

Another thing: Harsel and Gelsa draws a very strong parallel to Hansel and Gretel - just so that you know someone has picked up on it! smile

Yes.  I'm still considering name changes, even though I really like the pairing.  (And I learned a few days ago that my shorthand outline for 'Glaselle' doesn't follow all the rules.  I like it, but I'm probably going to change it, going to the downward Ell for parallel motion with the L-hook on the G-stroke.)

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(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Glaselle waits until all the stuff is done because she's a dutiful daughter and big sister, and does her chores and watches the kids, and only when that's done does she sit down with her own stuff.  I thought I'd painted the family pretty well.

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(75 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

I have neither skill nor stomach to write such a monster.  But I do wonder what journey she has for him.  I want to believe that there's some kind of redemption for even that character.

I can't blame her for wanting to tell the story she has, rather than changing it for another.

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(75 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

It would be easy for me to be as harsh--I am that harsh in some interactions, and sometimes harsher.  But there are so many people with wonderful story imaginations here who need to develop 'craft' and  I want to see those stories told well.  I often feel I've pounded someone far too hard, and I often get thanked.  It hurts that someone with TW's skill doesn't see things the same way.

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(75 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

She really is very skilled, and it ought to be an honor to be reviewed by her. sad

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(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

amy s wrote:

The lyrical sing-song nature of sentences like you used reminds me of a dialect. Ex, Middle English. However it is only in random occurrences, so I never get used to the meter. You target certain areas with this dialect/irregular speech pattern. But I don't fall into the pattern without effort.

I suppose I'm opening the scene a little like an oral storyteller would.  Just a little like that.  For a certain definition of 'little'--I often ask for extra spicy stuff in my food.

You and I write on very different planes of existence.

Not parallel planes, I must garner!

I was once told by my manager that my broad vocabulary was a problem for our ESL people.  I asked if he was accusing me of erudition.  He said, after a pause, that he was.

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(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

K. wrote:

That said, in modern speaking, we tend to want the writer to avoid any repetition at all, even of function words.

eg (former)

Here is Sir Bob, Earl of London, Earl of Lancaster, Earl of Shire.

now-a-days should be:

Here is Sir Bob, Earl of London, Lancaster, and the Shire

Except that the two are not identical.  The short version suggests that all three places are represented in the same office, not the same officeholder.  At the least, the 'of' should be repeated.

Ah, but you ask why the awkward pause. The problem is that each "after" implies a time section, and English generally only allows one time-related prepositional phrase per clause, usually located at the end of the sentence.

Lyrical: Bob knew that at 3:30, his homework was due.
Normative: Bob knew his homework was due at 3:30

But that's not quite true.  "He could talk with Smith after lunch but before the meeting."  Or "Later that evening, after Harsel and Gelsa had been put to bed ..."

Add a second time phrase and you have pauses all over the place

Bob knew that at 3:30 his homework was due because at 3:35 his teacher would get mad.
Bob wanted to submit his essay to the library after the game after he had finished reviewing it

(add pauses)

Bob knew that at 3:30 [pause] his homework was due because at 3:35 [pause] his teacher would get mad.
Bob wanted to submit his essay to the library after the game [pause] after [pause] he had finished reviewing it [pause].

The modern writer wants to avoid a sentence with multiple chained pauses. I could write pages on why this is so, but that would be a 10-page essay in itself.

And why that pause, which I intend, is a prroblem.

I don't think they're calling it a problem... but rather identifying places in th prose where they find themselves lost in a tangle of clauses and pauses.

Hardly a tangle, just a sequence perhaps more common in poetry than prose.
But there is a purpose.  The first expresses a rough time of day.  The second expresses a delay to a special event in the daily life of the household.  This chapter occurs not too long after several that reflect that cycle.  Together they intensify the lateness.

The first alone is incomplete.  The second is abrupt.

And I have no problem with pauses.  I don't believe that all pauses are awkward.

((pause))

Some are seemly.

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(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

I'm curious why you should say that my writing has a lyrical aspect.  I'm curious how a lyrical aspect would make the writing awkward to read.

And why that pause, which I intend, is a prroblem.

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(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

But you're saying that Glaselle put them to bed.  I'm leaving that question open.

Harsel and Gelsa are not the topic of the paragraph.  They are scene-setting.  The passive's vice is a virtue here.

How is it incomplete?  Could it be that there are only two items in the notional series instead of three?

Now, if you you argued that Harsel and Gelsa usually stay up a while after dinner you'd have a point.

What if it was 'Late, after dinner and after Harsel and Gelsa had been put to bed, Glaselle sat down ...' ?  That exposes an imbalance in weight and grammar in the two 'after' constructions which (I think) is less an issue with the comma separation.

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(75 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

I see you've been blessed by a review by TW.  She's a very good writer, but she can be a brutal reviewer, intolerant of any style but her own and any errors she would not deign to make herself.  (And she's p****d at me because of a forum conversation and blocked me from her work.)  Consider her specific comment on their merits, but don't let the rough stuff get you down.

I fantasize about meeting her in a writing workshop where you have to start by saying something positive about the other person's work.  But that would be cruel.

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(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

And I can't even quote right.  It's "Had drunk at dawn their fill".  My profound apologies to the master.

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(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

What kind of flow are you writing of?  Rythm and cadence?  Linear action?  Remember, this is scene-setting, not action.  It's a prelude to action.

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KennedyMcF wrote:

Thanks everyone for all the input, I have been thinking on how to put in more of Alex's story, to make her "special" from the get go, but with being in third person limited POV I worry that there isn't anything I can reveal that she herself knows.  Duncan has more info than she does, but she doesn't know that, and he isn't going to reveal till later. There is an element of I want to find out what happened to my father, but none of this has anything to do with why they are rappelling into this chasm.  Maybe I should edit and post the next few chapters and then come back to this later?  I think I might be worrying too much about this one aspect and it is staunching my creativeness.

Can you work from her relationship with Duncan?  Why are they rappelling into the chasm?  Do they each have the same reason, or do they differ?  What might Duncan reveal about himself?

Where does your story fall in OSCard's categories of story: Event, Character, Idea, Milieu?

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Elisheva Free wrote:

On that note, I keep trying to write in a linear fashion, but to be honest, it's just not happening. tongue The past couple of days have been spent on a scene that's at least 5 or 6 chapters ahead of where I am now. Apparently straight lines are not for me. I cannot walk them, I cannot draw them, and I cannot write them.

I have no problem walking them (unless my arms are full) and I'm no worse than average at drawing them, but I do work scenes ahead.  Sometimes many scenes ahead.  I see possible and probable inflection points, and write them down before I lose them.  You can tell from my chapter numbers!

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(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Fear not the repeater, I say!

Before the gods that made the gods
Had seen their sunrise pass,
The White Horse of the White Horse Vale
Was cut out of the grass.

Before the gods that made the gods
Had drunk their morning fill,
The White Horse of the White Horse Vale
Was hoary on the hill.
  :
  :
  :
For the end of the world was long ago
And all we dwell to-day
As children of some second birth,
Like a strange people left on earth
After a Judgement Day.

For the end of the world was long ago,
When the ends of the world waxed free,
When Rome was sunk in a waste of slaves,
And the sun drowned in the sea.

How many of our precious rules do those verses break?  And yet they are greater than anything that most of us here are likely to write--or at least, they are part of that greater work.

Am I entitled to use the tools of a master?  There's only one way to find out.

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(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Sorry.  Yes, the splice episode is short.  There are longer chapters awaiting you, if you want them.  Two books, no waiting.

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(75 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

'Relatable' is just a shorthand word that means people can care about them.
By giving them characteristics you allow them to be interesting.  By giving them personalities you allow people to empathize with them, to map their own experiences into the human-beasts.  In effect, you are creating a kind of beast-fable.

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(52 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

The bbcode tag is IMG, and it's matched with its closing 'slash' tag.

One nurse's experience

Ouch.  You've been a hero.  Now they're asking you to elevate to Hero.

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(75 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

How to make them care?  I think there may be several ways.  With your PoV characters you have at least two things: involvement in the character's personal story and empathy for the character.

Have you written a gentle note to Sol?

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Regarding 'Caneth'--I've gone for two-syllable names because I did not want to suggest that they came from large families.  That creates backstory issues.  But I can do it for one of them, using some variant on Carruthers, maybe Carrothin.

More thinking needed.

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(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Janet, the chapter with Glaselle comes soon after Harsan and Glaselle leave Merran and Jamen on the road, after Glaselle gets her Atlas.  I'm opening up a thread for that family.

The two kids are the kids that Shogran had.  He's trying to get to the shack where he left them, under the effect of Merran's pain spell and the Barricade.

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Well, they seem okay.  I was afraid for a moment that the libretto to Wozzek had gotten switched in ...