Jube wrote:

Looking at rule 14 for example, I haven't run across any type of writing aids that go into this area. The aids I've seen stay on a more fundamental building block basis such as explaining why using split infinitives is allowable and the origin of the complaint against them.

Split infinitives are grammar.  Strunk is going on to the use of grammar for composition.

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Okay, let me give this a try.

amy s wrote:

Bristling spears tangled and vied for position. Tazar lunged to the side, avoiding a point that jabbed for his right eye.

'jabbed for' suggests that the point itself had intent.  'jabbed towards' or 'jabbed at' woud avoid this.

The line of combat was chaos incarnate, looking more like a jumble of knitting needles than an organized front.

Good image, though 'jumble' is a mild word.  'tangle' might be better, but I suggest a session with Mister Thesaurus.

You could drop 'looking' and 'like', speeding the flow a bit.

Two shield walls held fast,

'opposed each other, holding fast'?

So they are using linear tactics, never having had Roman Legions whose movements within their line would break the opposing line?  (We still don't know just how they did it.)

leaving soldiers on either side to reach over their protective barriers, trying to score a hit. Spears thrust through any opening as the opposing side tried to grab the weapons and pull them out enemy hands.

This is in the past tense, but 'thrust' is present tense.

Both men and women shoved, grunted and howled insults or encouragement to each other.

You don't need 'both'.

On the side of the good guys, the shields interlocked, protecting the braced priests from the stabbing melee above and in front of them.

Instead of specifying 'good guys', why not just name that side and let the reader make the usual assumption: that until further notice, the protagonist(s) are the good guys?

The first comma suggests a parenthetical-effect match with the second comma.  Since that's not the structure, I suggest dropping the first comma.  The second is the more necessary, and provides a more balanced break of the sentence.  Everything after the comma modifies not the immediately preceeding predicate but the more remote subect of the sentence, 'the shields'.

Instead of 'in front of', 'before'.  Its length matches 'above', creating symmetrical brevity around the conjunction.

The bad guys had a distinct advantage. Two layers deep, their shield wall wore so much armor they looked like iron-clad barrels. All the spears behind them had to do was flail until they scored.

'bad guys'=>'Their opponents, {name},'

An enemy weapon scored a hit on the priest next to Tazar, denting the man's leather armor and taking him off his feet. The gold bracelet on the other fighter’s wrist popped like breaking glass.

'other fighter' == 'fallen fighter'?  Otherwise I might thing that the other fighter is the enemy who struck the blow.

Without the magical bracer keeping him protected from the shield,

'keeping him protected'=>'protecting'.

What shield?

The fallen priest's magical bracer?  Charmed bracer?  The magic of the fallen priest's bracer?

Tazar could see the strain in the other man's eyes.

In the priest's eyes?  Why is Tazar looking away from the threat?  Doesn't he know better?  I suggest leaving Tazar's PoV for a couple of paragraphs to cover this, and letting him concentrate on the battle.

Shaking his head like a dog, the downed fighter let his brothers pick him up by the armpits and made a shaky path away from the front line. The chosen weapon of their Order lay in the dirt, abandoned like a piece of firewood.

These Games were anything but.

This asserts a negative with an oblique expression.  'The City called this a game.  It was battle, staking Tos G'Swa's future on wooden weapons wielded.'  Okay, that last bit is frumpery.

The weapons might be made out of wood, but the stakes were real.

The long-armed fighter aiming for Tazar’s face used the distraction to tap his helmet. The curved skullcap deflected the blow. Tazar’s bracelet didn’t break.

The spear goaded him, jabbing closer to his face.

He grabbed the spear’s tip and gave it a heave, yanking it out of the enemy’s hands. Swinging the weapon through the tangle of knitting needles, Tazar pulled his arm back, grateful that the soldier-priests behind him were short.

Drawing his arm back, he aimed, using the spear as a javelin.

Tazar grunted and lunged, releasing the weapon into a low arc.

The oversized lance flew into the air.

The weapon made contact with head of the man who enjoyed taunting Tazar.

'struck the head of the enemy soldier taunting Tazar.  The man's head flew back and his body followed, to the ground.' ?


'The oversized lance flew across the fighting lines and struck ... .  His head flew back ...' ?

The enemy soldier’s head flew back, taking the rest of the body to the ground. Two or three others fell alongside their comrade in a healthy pile.

The sound of shattering glass followed.

Satisfied, Tazar was willing to go back to keeping the shield wall from being shoved off their feet, but someone pressed another wooden spear into his hand. The tip of this spear had a blunt tip, but the point wore barbs and was carved in a wide base to prevent the point from accidentally piercing through someone’s armor. The other team didn’t use any similar caution.

'was willing'=>'was ready'?

'keeping the shield wall from being shoved off their feet' => 'holding the shield wall together on its feet'?

The tip had a blunt tip, or the spear's tip was blunt and wide, with hooks?  In which case it's not really a spear.  Not exactly a halberd either, but hooked weapons were used to pull down mounted fighters.  A paging tour of Wikipedia, starting perhaps with 'halberd', should turn up some suitable words.

Yet another reason they were the bad guys.

That is what made {x} the bad guys.

Tazar aimed at the shouting leader of the barrel-armored shield wall.

The javelin hit with full force, but the well-armored soldier stayed standing. Tazar heard a muffled but mocking laugh that made him want to grind his teeth.

'A muffled, mocking laugh made Tazar ...'

This was going nowhere.

They were getting nowhere?

He tapped the helmet of the soldier behind him. Eyes turned toward Tazar, darting back to the fray soon after.

Exchange 'He' and 'Tazar'.

“What?” demanded a woman’s voice.

There was a lady in there? Tazar made sure to include her in his bubble of things-to-be-protected.

Can you remove the question, and adjust the second sentence to match?

“Change the rules. We’re going low!” he ordered. Letting out a piercing whistle that would have made Airen proud, Tazar caught the attention of another over-sized fighter a few places down. “You! Over here!”

In this press, it was going to take time before anyone could join up. Tazar looked to his other side.

A spear nearly caught him in the nose.

Grabbing it on the thrust, Tazar jammed the weapon back at the user and heard a satisfying yelp of pain. He used a brief respite to whistle at another couple soldiers making shade for the little people around them.

Three more started maneuvering his way at the signal. Another was too focused, failing to see anything but the melee in front of him. No matter. Five was a lucky number.

Tazar waited until all five of them were together. “Grab a shield and give a shove!” He tapped the helmet of the woman with her hooked spear.

Try without 'of them'.  Instead of 'Tazar waited ...', try 'When all five ... Tazar ...'

“Now!” he roared.

Behira’s priests pulled their spears back, stabbing under the pointed edge of the heater shields. The weapons darted forward, using the flat edge of the blade to hook the ankles of the over-armored fighters.

Have you defined 'heater shield'?  You use it more than once, so I assume it's not a typo.

“Heave!” he shouted to his Lucky Five. Grabbing one of the shield-wall fighters by the waist, he used the man as a ram on the bad-guy’s torso.

'The' bad guy?  Which one?  There are a lot of them.  You mean the taunter, the loudmouth?

Why hyphenate 'bad-guy'?

Catching the hint, the other tall men followed suit, knocking down a row of armored soldiers like players on a board.

You don't need the first phrase.

'other tall men followed suit'=>'four tall fighters pushed/pressed forward/ with Tazar'?

'knocking down ... armored soldiers'=>toppling ((seven or eight)) armored enemies out of their line', and you can drop the simile.

There was no sound of glass breaking but Tazar didn’t care. These overdone suits were too heavy for the wearers to sit up. Just to make sure, Tazar stepped on the enemy’s helmet to keep him down.

'Tazar didn't care'=>'it didn't matter'.

Try 'be' instead of 'make'.  It's a little shorter, but also a little less vivid.

Taking short stomps to keep his footing, Tazar advanced, using the good-guy and his shield as protection. He punched the heater shield into the next layer of metal-barrel armor.

The shield wall began to fall.

'The enemy shield wall was falling'?


Overall, the description, flow, and logic are good and feel true to linear tactics as I understand them.

A followup thought on Strunk's nr. 16 and a few of the other rules: they have the greatest force for things like essays and instruction. where there is no need to guide the eye of the reader's mind.  (Nr. 13 is in full force, always!)  That doesn't mean they can be disregarded, only that there may be a need to satisfy multiple demands at once, and thus to balance Strunk's principles against others.

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amy s wrote:

What other think of as a 'power moment'. I'm coming up with a rubric so that I can give a point value for each point that defines a great action/ power scene.

I would REALLY like help with this part. Here's what I have in my head so far. ...
Any other thoughts? What do you guys think

Does the character have to choose the moment (Katerin's display) or can the moment choose the character (an unexpected assailant in battle)?

For me, a use of power gains strength by its immediate connection to action, plot, and character.  It loses strength if it is scene-setting or milieu

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Linda Lee wrote:

Others may not find your genre to their liking.

A good reason to start your reviews in genres you plan to write in.  It can also keep you in more comfortable waters.

2. When writing a review, never assume anything. Just review to the best of your ability and hope it's helpful to the writer.

But do read the author's note at the top to see if there's a request to reviewers.  If a writer says "please check my pronouns and antecedents" you shouldn't fear to be picky about the pronouns and antecedents.  Just remain constructive and respectful.

Finally, or maybe first: take a moment to notice what you like or admire about the work, and say it.  Not just to sugar the medicine; the author might not realize that something works well for the reader.

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Good luck on the test.  Remember the little stuff and stay 5 mph below all the speed limits.

Yes, the power budget is about battery life.  I'm using C cells.  Depending on how fast you draw the current and where your low voltage cutoff is, good alkaline C's can give you between two and ten amp-hours.  My low-voltage cutoff is about 3.6 volts for four or 0.9 volts per cell.  With very low current, I'm on the longest curve, so I'm hoping for 7.7 amp-hours.  When it's off-hook or flashing it will draw more current, so I need a little margin.  If I figure 7.5 amp-hours and 52560 hours.  Divide 7.4 amp-hours by 52560 hours and you get 0.000136 amps, or 136 microamps.  Might as well call it 135.

The most important operations in High School Algebra are adding zero and multiplying by one.

Here are the relevant sections from an older edition of Strunk and White.  Some spellings have changed and a few commas would be omitted from the text (but not from the examples) were it to be written today.  I point you particularly to items 3, 7 9, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16, and 18.  You might also want to take a gander at page 3 of the group.

Polish at this level first.  Well, not so much polish as smooth out.  If you don't you won't see clearly what you're chom#pping.

I need sleep now.

njc wrote:

I dunno.  I made a pretty good case that Draco and Dudley were switched shortly after birth when Lucius Malfoy's son turned out to be a squib and Petunia gave birth to a magical child.  Oh, and the fact was hidden from Lucius and from Harry's uncle.

Oh yeah, I figured McGonnagal was in on it.

I'll have to go over it in detail.  There are places where I think you may have cut good stuff, and others where I think you need to close up seams.

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I have part of the pigeon-flasher problem fixed at the cost of maybe three microamps when the low-battery flasher comes on.  The other fix will cost more current whenever the phone is off-hook: again, a few microamps.  Remember that my budget was 135 microamps.  I don't expect to make it, though going with low-leakage capacitors throughout should keep me close.  With the circuit in standby (no main flash) the loads are the timer, the detector, and the pilot (pigeon) flasher.  Oh, and the undervolt detector, whose chip draws under a microamp.  The biasing circuit around it will draw a tenth or a microamp or less..  The flashing part of the pigeon flasher runs at about 30 microamps or a bit less.

I shouldn't be way over budget.  I need to check what that timer chip draw when quiescent.  I was supposed to get the better Fairchild part but I got the TI part instead ....

I have a "comma queen" reviewer offsite who helps me out with her merciless reviews in this area, but I still fumble here and there.

I have no better suggestion than to beg or borrow (do not steal!) a copy of the pre-Bowdlerized (i.e. 1970's) Strunk & White Elements of Style.  There are people who look down on it as being too simple.  Well, maybe they were born on Olympus.  Most of us need to get out of the sea onto dry land.

Yes, the writing technique is something that lags behind my story image concept. It has from the beginning although I am counting on the gap to decrease with experience over successive chapters.

Time and deliberate practice, which is why I suggested honing your skills on one section over time.

The opening - I worried a bit when I wrote the opening action scene with the creaking log. I was happy with the intent it conveyed in terms of imagery and a reminder that Olstas is a "big boy" which I figured wasn't going to do much harm by slipping in. The part I worried about was at times when I re-read it I thought the log may be overshadowing the subject creating a somewhat passive description vs active. I'm open to rewriting it as suggested as it keeps the intent in place that I had for that line.

The key is in the sentence construction.  You can get it all in there, but you need to keep the main topic and the elaborations in their proper relationship.  It also helps if you can keep the word count down.  To quote Will Strunk, "...  that every word tell."

You've made 2 points in the review that surprised me because I had thought the opposite was true and wrote with that in mind. 1. I had always thought it was the "pro" thing to place action and imagery within the same line for a greater effect. It did not occur to me separating the two was the preferable thing to do.

There are two levels of imagery here.  One is, to abuse a quote from Gilbert and Sullivan, corroborative detail meant to give verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and uninteresting plot.  Now, your plot is neither bald nor uninteresting, but the point is that this is detail meant to make the touch startling, the stroke deadly, the remark cutting.

The other level (and two is really too simple) is the painting of the scene.  It comes down, I suppose, to the idea that a paragraph has a topic.  If the topic is action, the description is about that action.  If it's a character, the description enhances the character.  But if the topic is the setting, then the description is about the setting.

2. I had been under the belief of placing the strongest imagery ahead of the weaker ones in a descending order. I did not know the opposite was the preference of going in ascending order from weakest. Well, if I had taken a creative writing class in the past maybe I would have known better.

I would not support either generalization.  But in the example in question, the `weaker' description serves as a prelude to the stronger, and you progress from the lesser marvel to the greater, ending on the amazement.  The composer puts the greatest drama in the last part of the symphony; the thriller has the highest tension in the climax, which is much nearer the end than the beginning.

Assuming that you want to present both A and B, if A is the stronger and you present it first, presenting the weaker B second drains the energy from the experience.

Also, the topic of the female elves leads right to the topic of the next paragraph.  That connectedness is a very, very important part of communicating, whether in writing an essay, or a story scene, or even a computer program, which must be understood by humans as well as the computer.

Using "he knew" and "he recognized" are deliberate attempts to stay in Olstas's POV and not drop into the narrator voice. I've been asked here and there by a few different reviewers to try using a dominant, stronger POV from one character and let the others used stay in a supportive role for greater effect. This chapter was my first experiment doing this even though I am using 3rd person omni-POV. I have no idea if that improved the read or not, and will have to see if any reviewers comment on it.

The problem is that explicitly casting things in the PoV character's frame of experience is weak.  It's showing how the rabbit gets into the top hat.  There are times when you want to follow the PoV character's thoughts explicitly, for instance, when he is putting together facts that neither he nor the reader correctly interpreted.  But otherwise you need to help us see things as the PoV character sees them, or as someone would see them looking over his shoulder.

{The old mage aided by his long, crooked green staff, limped among the others, issuing commands to those nearby and using runners for others further away.} - I take it this is the imagery and action rolled into one problem? So it would be changed to - {The old mage limped among the others issuing commands to those nearby and using runners for those further away. He leaned upon a long, crooked green staff that aided his injured gait.}

The imagery is a little heavy, yes, but I think the real problem is the simple amount of grammar placed between the core of the sentence subject and the core of the predicate.  It's eased somewhat if you get the commas in the right place, setting the 'aided by ...' off semi-parenthetically.  The sentence can bear the weight of the 'aided by' better after the verb and its immediate modifier and before the 'issuing ... and using ...' participles which--note carefully--actually are modifiers on 'The old mage' and not on the verbs.  Nothing wrong with that, by the way, but moving the past-participle 'aided by' modifier in front of them brings subject and verb-of-the-main-clause closer.

"As you well know" - Well, I am open to changing this phrase. I looked back through my literary hero's first novel - The Wheel Of Time, and Robert Jordan doesn't use this phrase anywhere. He instead uses, "You know this as well as I." Other times he uses, "You know" If both of you say this is in bad taste that's good enough for me.

At one time, this sort of exposition dump was standard in world-building (or tech-building), but as the craft improved it has become worse than low-rent.  In the meantime, it does have one use--as sarcasm on the part of the speaker.  If there's exposition, it has to be conveyed more subtlely.  In the case of a ceremony that's simply part of the milieu, there's no reason that you can't simply state it as the narrator and be done with it.

Placing the shift inside the Moonsong - Well, I like to think my "creative writing class" is ongoing through the reviewers here (Is it just my imagination or are there a staggering amount of elite writers/reviewers in the fantasy genre on this site?) In that sense, I've learned from Rita and Nicolas Andrews don't interrupt the action flow once it is going. I "think" as the character is going through the song that falls in this category. My literary hero's novel isn't helping me in this area as he doesn't have a similar example I can look to.

I don't know about staggering numbers, but Bonnie Milani got a review that many writers would trade their families for AND a letter of praise from Orson Scott Card--both for Home World.

The reason that I might interrupt the flow of the song is to record your protagonist's changing impressions of it.  That doesn't mean that you have to say that they are his impressions; if you have a close PoV your reader will impute the reaction to your PoV character, consciously or un-.   (Oh yeah, Orson Scott Card's Character and Viewpoint).

I went with "past explanations" over "past experiences" to reinforce to the reader Olstas needs everything explained or translated for him if he encounters an event where the elven language is used.

  Fair point.  On how many occasions might Olstas have had this explained to him?  I've missed a few chapters, so I don't know, but you might work a little reminder into the scene somewhere.

... he's not the brightest bulb around but when his greed trigger is tripped the bulb burns bright.

So I must apologize for not following the story closely enough in the earlier chapters.

Colon and/or semi-colons. While I work on improving my comma placement, I've done my best to avoid semi-colons.

A semicolon is a longer stop than a comma, but a shorter stop than a period.  It can separate two independent clauses just as a period does, but it implies a shorter stop and a closer relationship.  It is also sometimes used to separate list elements if the elements are long and complex.  It is used in math as a list separator to imply a line break.  (There are functions that are written with variable numbers of arguments on multiple lines, most notable the Gaussian hypergeometric.  There are also functions written by convention with arguments in a pile, notably "N choose K" and "Highest Common Factor".)

Colons are easier for me as they set off a list of elements in sequence. So yes, I'll put it in where you mentioned.

Colons are also used to introduce a phrase or clause that 'amplifies'--makes more specific or clear--what comes just before.  In general, the sentence must end immediately afterward.

Hope this helps.

Hope I'm not treading off the reservation with this.  Jube, my next post will be in reply to your reply to my review of Chapter 12, Phyries.  (I usually hang out in Amy's Medieval Fantasy and Magic.)

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Okay.  I'm delayed in it; I just Kindle-read the time-travel story celebrated in Sol's link and I did a long review for Jube and have now to reply to his reply.

Note that in response to TW's inline, I pointed out three 'that's that I think should stay, and said why.

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Something I would find helpful, maybe in this spirit, maybe against it: Once I have reviewed a chapter of a work, putting new updates to that work in a prominent place.  This way I don't have to explicitly declare a connection and get evern poem, essay, and short story when I am following and reviewing a novel.

What about starting a forum or thread with advice for newcomers?  The first few articles should be carefully composed and maybe subjected to a review process for improvement.

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Then I'll have to put the review up twice.  Look for it here later.

Not a bad description of the Power Moment.  I'd add that it should contribute to a Good Story, not be easily replacable.  And I think that `Novel use of Power` might also be 'ingenuity.'

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Tried to post this yestre'en, but the site must have been etherized upon the table ...

Okay, here's what's up with Erevain.  This guy has to have a reason for his tinfoil hat.  There has to be a backstory and it has to unfold, with the hat, in a scene that's a small drama in itself.  A better or more experienced writer wouldn't have to learn on the job.

I've taken a step,closer, I think.  I need to look at my write-up after some good rest.

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One tip that might help new members is to join a couple of suitable groups and get involved in discussions, especially about reviewed works.

You might also offer some examples of good (that is, useful and constructive) reviews, and explain what's good in the review and what's weak, and showing how different reviews may cover different aspects of a work.

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Don't do popups.  They turn a lot of people off.  Put a new member link in the sidebar, and keep it at the top of the sidebar and higlighted until it's read.  Then let it fall to the bottom.

Reducing the illustration size and packing more entries into less space is very worth a try, I think.  Higlighting a new member's work and keeping it at the top of the list until it gets all its bonus reviews or gets very old might help too.  (Algorithms are coming to me now.)

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Just bought the Kindle edition on the strength of the reviews.

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New member, first five works (or chapters) published, first three reviews on each => bonus, but a member is only eligible for three bonuses on a given new member.  (No hogging.)

More generally, a small bonus anytime a member reviews a writer not previously reviewed by that member.  Or maybe not so small.  Double points on small works tapering to thirty percent on larger ones.  The algebra is manageable.  (A 0.4 point review goes to 0.8.  A 2.6 point review goes to 3.38 or a little less.)  (Restrict to recent postings?)

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Wasn't that what the 'first three reviews' bonus was supposed to be for?

In your review reply, you wrote that everybody needs a hobby.

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amy s wrote:

OK, here is my second attempt at a power moment.  I want this to be inspiration to those who write medieval fantasy rather than about magic. A character doesn't have to be magic-based to compete in this contest.

Let me introduce you to Tazar.

Overall battle structure seems good, though I can't be sure.  There are ambiguities that want close editing, and other close-editing improvements that I see.

Why not put it up as a short and invite full reviews?

One thing I'll point to that I don't do myself yet.  Go to the Manchester example I linked above.  Look at the paragraph beginning "It was England's greatest crisis ... ."  Notice how Manchester alternates short, powerful clauses or sentences with less dramatic statements that explain the brief declaration.

Then look at those big last paragraphs for the phrase 'great hunks of bleeding meat'.  That's what those short, pithy punches are.

Tension and release turn David Ballavia's House to House from a great battle account into a great story.

It's a higher level that we should aspire to.