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Charles_F_Bell wrote:

No, that is not it all.  The anti-concept is created for the purpose to deceive. It is not using a nuanced or alternate meaning but an anti-meaning to the word. As I said, the Progressives/Socialists have been adept at this ...

If you reject the word as well as the anti-concept for which it is used, you make it impossible for me even to ask where the deception is in the terms 'prescriptivist' or 'descriptivist', which makes it hard for me to learn to what you are objecting.  What is the deceit or false claim?  What is the lie?

Remember too that assumptions and beliefs are bound up in terms (e.g. human being/human life).  You may reject the beliefs and assumptions, but you will never convince anyone if you so completely reject the words that you will not even name them to refute them.  You will never even succeed in telling people what you do believe.

All of this is my belief and opinion, and perhaps my limitations.  But my limitations are part of who I am, and if you mean to communicate to me, you will most likely succeed if you communicate to who I am, rather than who you would like me to become.

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Some edits to B2Ch33.  Some of them address Amy's comments; some do not.  All add w$rds.

We noticed.  smile

janet reid wrote:

If it's backstory, then it's not the start of the novel. That much I can say. The novel needs to start, well, at the start. (I know, I know, I'm really clever sometimes, and helpful - not).

Hence, saith I, it is stage-setting, and not full-blossom narrative.

janet reid wrote:

Apart from not being able to really contribute, most of the time, I have no idea what you guys are talking about in the forums too.

What happened then, well that's the play ... .  Skip to about 2:20 if you like.

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If it were not aimed at an age group, what would its genre be?  Is it a coming-of-age story?

amy s wrote:

I agree that it needs to be trimmed. It seemed to wander IMO, but I got all the necessary info into the chapter. And I got to put Kha into a diaper. Nothing makes me happier than making that man squirm.  It is one of my true delights in life.

Poor Kha.  (Weeps bitterly.)

Now that that's out of the way, I think you've got a lot in there that you don't need.  You don't need to tell a story, you need to set a stage.  You may need a short story to do it, but it should be a short short-short.  The ideal would be to fit it on one page with space left over.

I've done a cursory check.  Depending on the source, the curtsey (spelling varies) may be accompanied by a bowing of the head, or the head bow is considered part of the basic movement.  So the head bow isn't wrong, but it may be an ancillary obeisance.  And since Melayne was taught it as a child, in case she had to face royalty, I expect she would have been taught it with the head bow.

In ballet, the bow extends to the shoulders, with the arms bending toward each other.  (But this isn't ballet.)

Oh, channeling Bimmy: There's an ad running on WFAN (NYC's original sports radio) for a plumbing supply house: "Are you suffering from frozen nipples?  From your nipples to your ballcocks ...."

(Oops, wrong thread.  Well, let it be.)

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Amy, thanks.  I know I grumble, but often it takes the form of "You have to be clear that they're going to the right," and I reply "No, I have to be clear that they're going to the LEFT!"  I may make a few edits today but I need to work on the Bright Idea that I had.  And I captured the visage of a woman who, I think, is a good model for Dianen (for reasons that will become clear).  I am not an artist, unlike your husband.

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Hmm.  So what I though was a category error report was instead a rejection of my use of the word in attempting to explore the boundaries you attach to its proper use?

Even with that, I'm going to have to go a long way to follow you.  First, words often attach to multiple concepts.  Somewhere (I'm trying to recall where) C. S. Lewis gives a range of different meanings attached to the word 'romantic'.  (Falling in love is not among those meanings.)

Your position seems to me to be something like a form/content distinction, in that misuse of the content denies that the form is that form.  It is (as I now see it) as if a process-server carrying a writ that is improperly issued is no longer a process-server.

Your husband's a talented guy!!

Let's keep talking about the prologue.  The author of =The Little Prince= was also a pioneer aviator who famously said, "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away."  (I need to take his advice more.)

janet reid wrote:

Disclaimer(s): Haven't read Acts or Mandates. It can be a good thing. Or maybe not. Also, fantasy isn't exactly my thing.

You haven't read Acts?  Read it.  It's a whopping good story.  There are a few chapters near the beginning that read too slowly, but after that it's a roller-coaster.  And there's a romance involved--ROMANCE--and lots of hard-to-spot clues.  Primo stuff, and not typical fantasy.

The reaaon to cut it is not to slow it but to speed it.

We have, in the three story threads, a handful of characters who remember what happened at Earthwound.  Starting each story, we should know what they know about the event that launches them into this.  And maybe we should know a little more, like the way their stories are linked at the start and a detail or two of what they will uncover.  We will learn soon that Kha was grasping the Black Staff, and both Acts and Mandates have early plot sequences revolving about it, with open mysteries about why Kha did it.  So putting it in time sequence without letting any of the other secrets out would prime the reader for the early events without letting anything big out.

But, IMO, we don't want to make this a full chapter.  It's backstory, and should be abbreviated.  It gets us to the start of the journey, and there are questions yet to be answered.  "What happened then, well that's the play ..."

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Charles_F_Bell, I would like to understand what you mean but you seem to regard every question I ask as a category error, and your attempts to take me past the difficulty seem to lead me back to the same difficulty.  I would like to understand what you believe here, but my efforts seem fruitless and more frustrating to you than to me.  You've set your beliefs out, but I can't do you the consideration and give you the respect  of considering them!

I suspect that I would agree completely with about a tenth of what you say, and partly with another half.  Regardless, it would be satisfying to achieve what I've been told is called stasis (hard-long 'a'):  agreement on what the issues are, what our respective beliefs are, and where they diverge.  That doesn't seem to be possible now, and I count it a loss.

In short, I don't understand, I don't now expect to understand, I thank you for trying, and I hope that this statement is useful for you, if only to know why I've stopped bothering you on this topic.

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Grumpble.  New Big Idea involves showing how Erevain's perceptions prejudice him ... and doing it in compact dialogue.  I've gotta do a good impersonation of a Good Writer to pull this off.

See the first few hundred words of Wilkie Collins's =The Woman in White=.  Even as the narrator tells us how ugly the woman is, he makes us fall in love with her.  BRILLIANT writing.

Oh, feck!

Stasis (long hard 'a') achieved!  (Translation: we agree on what we disagree about.)

I too suggested character trimming in the intro/backstory material, but not so severely as KH.  Because it's a teaser for the whole set, and because I suggest using it to tie the timelines, I think we can name extra characters.  But KH has a point, too, in that we should be able to recognize the protagonist, and distinguish same from the supporting characters.

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So you use the term in that sentence to mean not a particular instance of 'anti-concept' but the anti-concept as a category?

Do you then regard prescriptivist grammar as a product of Progressivism?  If so, I think you are mistaken.  The warhorse example, the non-splitability of the infinitive, is held originate in applying the grammar of classical languages (and especially Latin) to English.  But the classical education, involving medieval and classical Latin as well as Hellenic Greek and old Hebrew, was shunned and dis--valued (sorry, can't find the word just now) by the Progressive movement, so it seems unlikely that the atomic infinitive is as recent a development as Progressivism.

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:

Even in the most autocratic regimes language evolved on its own until the introduction of the anti-concept by the U.S. Progressives.

To what anti-concept do you refer in this sentence?

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I don't argue that the situation is 'just' as we now understand the word.  I argue that justice and injustice are not part of the word derivation, and that the implications of the word 'patriarchy' do not apply, because they imply intent, and the structure that resulted was the only one that could have worked.

Here's an ugly fact: what we call the Stockholm Syndrome allows a conquered tribe or clan to assimilate into the conquerers, preserving their lives, their utility in the present, and their genetic endowment.

We are, in the old language, rational animals.  It took a long time for the 'rational' part to happen, and even longer for it to take hold.  Imputing motive, as the word 'patriarchy' does, cannot fit the actual play of cause-and-effect that brought us to this point.

Note that some of the nastiest 'patriarchal' laws came into being in the name of progress and protection during the industrial revolution.

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amy s wrote:

I have time tonight. Chapter number? Oh, Janet, I read you steam-scenes and will try to get to those three chapters tonight as well.

B2Ch33.  It's the one prominently displayed on the main page.

By sharing a near-common prologue, you tie the stories together.  By italicizing it and keeping it teaser-brief, you use it to lay a little backstory, and hint at much more.

The character development that I see is not the character development that KH sees, and maybe not the character development that you see.

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Another future scene started bugging at my consciousness and getting in the way of what I need to do.  I just spent a day or so on it and put it up in Book II.  If you need points, feel free to have a look.  It's only about 1260 words, and should probably be about 960.

Amy, if you care to look, nit and peck me to death on the description; it's your metier.  And, as I say in the notes, my biggest concern is whether the over-the-top meeting goes off the deep end.

Channelling Bimmy?