Marilyn Johnson wrote:

I just realized through this thread I could go into the posts of the ones I have blocked and leave all manner of retaliatory remarks on their work, but they can't reciprocate...

They could reciprocate by re-posting those back-hand retaliatory remarks here in the main public forum, if they were a mean enough person. Just saying... they could. smile

corra wrote:
corra wrote:

- The Boy of Chancellorsville and Other Civil War Stories (ed. James Marten)

In my copy of this book, "Chancellorsville" is spelled "Chancellorville" on the cover and within the table of contents. I was feeling rather smug for having noticed, & considered writing the editor, but I reached the actual story "The Boy of Chancellorville" within the anthology last night, and the editor introduces it with a note explaining that in the ACW days, people spelled "Chancellorsville" without the s. That's a new ACW fact! big_smile xx

Times change, people change. Impetuous corra, who was prone to complain vociferously about cherished but dead ex tNBW members, or heartily welcome new members who'd been and gone several years hence... would have chewed the leg off poor James Martin long before digesting the editor's notes. smile big_smile

corra wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

I think I have a bit of a 'troll' situation going on where a member who has blocked me from their stuff (fair enough) seems to still be able to retrospectively edit/amend review comments upon my work into harassing messages.

It's me, by the way. He can't be rid of me. I have the power now. lol

It's a 'Troll' problem that I'm whinging about here, not the ongoing Hobbit infestation. wink

Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

Yes, if you type in the person's name in the search bar on your home page, it will take you to a possible list of authors and then click on that author. Once on their profile page, there is an option to block. If the person has you blocked, when you get to the profile page, it will tell you the author's profile is private.


This is correct. Or should I say, this exactly the same experience that I encounter.  If someone has blocked me from accessing their work, I no longer have the permission required to block them from mine. That Author's profile, is as Janet says, marked private. The 'block' button does  not appear.

Marilyn Johnson wrote:

Dill, I just checked on a particular person I have blocked, and I can still go to their profile and their posts and I can do an inline or a regular review on their stuff.  They just can't on mine, apparently, so I think it doesn't work both ways.  I am not sure how you go about blocking them if you can't see that person's profile.  Maybe a question for Sol.

Thanks MJ. It seems to be as you say.

I don't mind people blocking me, it just seems a little skew-whiff if I can't return the favour and block them from accessing my junk in an even-handed manner.

Cheers!

dagnee wrote:

I have quite a few people blocked Dill and they have returned the favor without me knowing it. So I think you can still block them, because I did. If you still have trouble ask Sol to look into it. Edited to include: If they are accessing you through their reviews of you, then delete those reviews.
smile

Oh, I can never delete the review in question; it's an audacious highfalutin masterclass masterpiece in aggressively tearing prose to shreds solely for the sake of sounding superior, authoritative and masterful in an attempt to humiliate and disgrace the author. It's fantastic; the best ever and I love it. A collector's item; somebody's best work, a real keeper.

I'd just like to stop the originator of the review, who blocked me, coming back and taunting me by editing/amending the comments section with further 'advice' upon what I should do to myself.

Member Blocking.

An unsavoury question, but hey ho, a necessity I'm afraid.

I think I have a bit of a 'troll' situation going on where a member who has blocked me from their stuff (fair enough) seems to still be able to retrospectively edit/amend review comments upon my work into harassing messages. Which seems unfair.

So, if a member blocks me, it would appear that I can no longer bring up their profile in order to block them in return.

Does the 'Block' work both ways or does this mean that they can still access my junk (because I haven't blocked them; indeed, I am blocked from blocking them)?

If they have blocked me first, can I not block them likewise?

corra wrote:

At work, we had a RAGING LIBERAL for a while. As in, one could hardly move without finding him in their path making speeches about things that did not personally touch his life at all, but about which.....

Great points here corra...  sometimes sexism is mistaken for patronisation. The tour guide fellow for instance; I bet he didn't patronize your mother. It is hugely annoying that he didn't take you seriously.  I've been places with my kids who are actually women now (23 and 19) and they get talked down to and treated as if they are dollies. I've seen it.  It is a human trait, I think it starts with those parents and adults who 'goo goo' talk to babies as if the child is not a fellow human being.

What I really hate is when people object to say, a female pilot. She may be the best person for the job, the most gifted and skilled, but she is dismissed as inferior assumed incapable by some, purely because of her gender. That's real sexism and I find it totally incomprehensible. Why would you demand a worse pilot simply because he is of a different gender? 

Raging liberals are so annoying, there's nothing wrong with general liberal principles but the ones that irk are those that jump onto other people's band-wagons and drive the agenda hard. That's an agenda by proxy, one that they don't really understand or that doesn't actually represent them. 

We all like to choose what we read and our selective process is driven by pre-conception and assumption. Easy choices. Syllabus or Curriculum defined novels are extremely important. I'd have never chosen to read Dickens, Shakespeare, Steinbeck, Twain, Orwell, Golding, Lee... et al if not for school. Other choices were more appealing and yet without the Syllabus I'd have never been properly introduced to the wonders of literature.

I tease with 'Little Women;' the truth is that I can't wait to get to it. I just have to read everything else in the world first. smile  x

I could review this review for hours and to pieces... but I feel that it speaks for itself. It speaks of it's creator.

Although I just can't help but highlight a couple that struck me dumb.

Karen van Kriedt says: hard, cold cash? Usually accountants have to do with accounts and transferred funds, not cash
Well if you read the story, this is a criminal accountant and they exist specifically to launder ill-gotten CASH into legitimate funds or wealth. 

what about using the phrase "follow the money" here?
What... insert a two cent cliché catch-word phrase that doesn't even make contextual sense?

I can deal with the idiot in her, but the superior editorial demeanor with explicit frank instruction, it freaks me out...  "cut this," "delete this" etc.

If I read the editorial instruction, and it was applied and incorporated, there would actually be very little of the story left at all.

If you read Karen van Kriedt 's own junk, you'll come to the conclusion very quickly that she has no idea how to engage a reader within the telling of a story. She writes clinically with stock phrases and her prose is sterile, devoid of any soul. She would inflict the same upon her victims. She could re-write the telephone directory and make it even less of a read.

A few opening paragraphs of this story were given the supportive, nurturing 'review' al Karen van Kriedt 'tear to shreds approach' (after which it would be patronizing to say 'good work or 'well done'). Bearing in mind this piece has already received 7 regular reviews and 5 other in-line reviews which have been digested and incorporated. It also won first place within the competition that it was written for.

                                                Hardon
                                                      by Dill Carver 2015

"Maybe he really doesn’t know anything… maybe he’s kosher.”  O'Toole spluttered, fear weaving a tremolo into his voice.  He retreated further into the shadows.

Through broken shutters within the high roof, random fingers of light pierced the dusty air of the dilapidated warehouse. As the watery London dawn broadened into something brighter one such iridescent shaft illuminated the chair-bound figure and his tormentor like a spotlight upon a centre stage tableau-vivant in limelight and shadow. A grotesque scene with Kaufmann hunched like a huge toad over the hooded victim and doing God knows what to the man’s exposed chest with a lighted cigarette.

O'Toole froze as Kaufmann ceased his work, let the captive slump in his bonds and turned to face him.

“He’s the fuckin’ accountant,” exclaimed Kaufmann in his ‘up-all-night’ Cockney gravel accent and flicked the cigarette at O’Toole with enough force for it to shower his chest in an explosion of red embers.

“Accountants know everything because they are busy little bastards. If you want to know about the money… you speak to the accountant.” He balled his left fist and landed a vicious sideways jab to the neck of the prisoner whilst maintaining eye contact with O’Toole.

“You, my son, are a fuckin’ nuisance. A nonce… a passenger… a pest,” Kaufmann, rolled the last word around his mouth like a bad taste whilst his finger remained extended in a post cigarette-flicking accusatory pointer aimed between O’Toole’s eyes.

“And you…” O’Toole retorted with fading conviction, “you’re a maniac Kaufmann, you’re a bridge too fuckin’ far… you always go too far.”

“Well, I ain’t even started with this one, don’t worry about that. I’ll go the whole fuckin’ way and we’ll see where that gets us.” The savage commitment within Kaufmann’s rage caused O’Toole to buckle as he flagged and sat upon the packing crate that he’d backed into.

“I don’t know… I honestly don’t know where they keep the money,” sobbed an urgent and pained voice from within the crumpled canvas. “I don’t know anything about the cash. I told you, as soon as I realised there was a shady side to the firm, I reported it to the police. I know nothing of it. They keep me to run the legitimate side of the business, and I’m straight, a part of the front. I know nothing about the criminal operation. That’s the whole point of it… that’s the point of me.”

It seemed to O’Toole that although there was fear in the voice, the accountant was making more of a proclamation of innocence than a plea for mercy and the sobbing seemed likely a result of broken teeth and split lips rather than self-pity. He sounded truthful.

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“Maybe he really doesn’t know anything… maybe he’s kosher.”  O'Toole spluttered, fear weaving a tremolo into his voice.  He retreated further into the shadows.

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

further? what do we have to compare it to?

Through broken shutters within the high roof, random fingers of light pierced the dusty air of the dilapidated warehouse

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

The sentence would be improved it it followed "within the high roof"

As the watery London dawn broadened into something brighter.

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

brighter than what?

one such iridescent shaft illuminated the chair-bound figure and his tormentor like a spotlight upon a centre stage tableau-vivant in limelight and shadow.

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

you've already got "like a spotlight". delete this

A grotesque scene with

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

cut this; it tells instead of shows you don't need it because the rest of the sentence shows.

Kaufmann hunched like a huge toad over the hooded victim and doing God knows what to the man’s exposed chest with a lighted cigarette

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

I feel this phrase makes the sentence too long. I wonder if it's needed.

O'Toole froze as Kaufmann ceased his work,

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

again an unnecessary telling O'Toole froze as Kaufmann let the captive slump in his bonds and turned to face him. turned to him? face him sounds too confrontational for cohorts

let the captive slump in his bonds and turned to face him.
“He’s the fuckin’ accountant,” exclaimed Kaufmann in his ‘up-all-night’ Cockney gravel

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

Cockney or gravel or gravelly Cockney Cockney gravel accent doesn't work

accent and flicked the cigarette at O’Toole with enough force for it to shower his chest in an explosion of red embers.

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

image really works

“Accountants know everything because they are busy little bastards. If you want to know about the money

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

what about using the phrase "follow the money" here?

… you speak to the accountant.” He balled his left

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

delete you could say "landed a vicious left hook" but saying "left" here is fussy, too obovious

fist and landed a vicious sideways jab to the neck of the prisoner whilst

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

an old-fashion version of while

  maintaining eye contact with O’Toole.
“You, my son

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

is he that much younger? their relative ages might be mentioned earlier

  , are a fuckin’ nuisance. A nonce

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

another old-fashion word but works, of course, if it's telling us something about your character. The whilst in the paragraph above though creates questions of trust in the reader.

… a passenger… a pest,” Kaufmann, rolled the last word around his mouth like a bad taste whilst

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

I'm starting to think whilst is a word you might use a lot You could search for it in your writing in order to avoid being repetitive

his finger remained extended in a post cigarette-flicking accusatory pointer

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

this image is difficult to see; needs clarifying

aimed between

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

too specific in this spot. Whose perspective are we in that it could be confirmed the finger is pointing between his eyes unless he reaches forward and touches O'Toole between the eyes. at

O’Toole’s eyes.
“And you…” O’Toole retorted with fading conviction, “you’re a maniac Kaufmann, you’re a bridge too fuckin’ far… you always go too far.”
“Well, I ain’t even started with this one, don’t worry about that. I’ll go the whole fuckin’ way and we’ll see where that gets us.” The savage commitment within Kaufmann’s rage caused O’Toole to buckle as he flagged and sat upon the packing crate that he’d backed into

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

you can do better with this sentence

“I don’t know… I honestly don’t know where they keep the money,” sobbed an urgent and pained voice

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

passive construction An urgent and pained voice sobbed from within the crumpled canvas.

from within the crumpled canvas. “I don’t know anything about the cash

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

hard, cold cash? Usually accountants have to do with accounts and transferred funds, not cash

. I told you, as soon as I realised there was a shady side to the firm

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

too many words for someone being tortured cut this phrase. bring in shady firm somewhere else

, I reported it to the police. I know nothing of it. They keep me to run the legitimate side of the business, and I’m straight, a part of the front. I know nothing about the criminal operation. That’s the whole point of it… that’s the point of me.”

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

too many words for someone in great pain. He'd be catching his breath. barely able to get words out

It seemed to O’Toole that although there was fear in the voice, the accountant was making more of a proclamation of innocence than a plea for mercy and the sobbing seemed likely a result of broken teeth and split lips rather than self-pity. He sounded truthful.

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

This is a leap. How well does O'Toole know the guy? How could someone with broken teeth and split lips not have self-pity? How could O'Toole trust himself to know if someone he just met? is being truthful or not. Too much of a leap.

If you read the original Sherlock Holmes stories, Watson and Holmes ejaculate very frequently. Watson is prone to premature ejaculation because he jumps to conclusions whilst Holmes is always on the money.

Technically speaking Vern; and in strict accordance to grammar and the English language... your reply was an ejaculation.

vern wrote:

"Love is something sent from Heaven to worry the Hell out of you."

Love Comes in Spurts. Richard Hell & the Voidoids

corra wrote:

I read that thread in the other forum, Dill, of last night. I want to say that I feel you took me under your wing a few years ago, as a writer, after our exciting first meeting smile and I'm a much, much, much better writer for it. I had the "tear it apart" reviews too, before I met you. The bewildering ones that made me wonder how to write, and how I'd messed up. I remember you pulled me aside and started actually teaching me -- honestly, remarking on places in my work that you felt might be improved, offering examples -- but never disrespectfully. Pointing out what I did well, and why. I've learned A LOT at your elbow, and hope to continue doing so.

I'd have said the same. Ditto, but the other way around. I learned far more from you than I ever gave back. True!

But that was before I became the vile poisoner of an ogre that I am today.

I made a glib comment in respect of an offensive post in the forum and that person descended upon me; immediately sought out my work and hastily 'tore it to threads'.

The lesson she was dealing me was intended to belittle me, expose a multitude of flaws within with my work whilst simultaneously displaying superior editorial skills and literary knowledge upon her part. It didn't work, the review is so beyond pedantic that it comes across as desperate.

I never believed the fairy stories; how in 'Red Riding Hood,' inside of the gentle old lady, beneath that facade, is a vicious snarling dangerous wolf with evil intent waiting to burst out.

I'm gonna have to revise my beliefs.

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dagnee wrote:

I remember that spat, and all I can say is I changed my mind and you made a big deal out it.
smile

I make a big deal out of everything. When the moon is in the right phase.

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Karen van Kriedt wrote:

Dill Carver, I have absolutely no respect for you, whatsoever. If I ever see your name again it will be too soon. You are no-holds-barred mean which, to my mind, doesn't have it's place on this site

You've only been here five minutes, and you have the audacity to think that I'm mean for being opposed to this...

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

Something I’ve noticed -- something I’ve been guilty of -- telling someone they’ve done a “Good job!”, or patting them on the back with “Good work!”, especially after you’ve torn their work to shreds, is patronizing. I for one won’t be using either phrase again.

You think this reviewing 'best practice' has a place on this site?

I know I am the mean one, but I'm truly sorry for your feelings of guilt for telling someone they’ve done a “Good job! It obviously made you feel very uncomfortable.  At least you can ease your conscious now, after tearing their work to shreds, by never saying anything encouraging at all.

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Karen van Kriedt wrote:

...How dare you accuse me of playing the victim! You live in your own world, and I'm just glad I live in mine. Adios muchacho!

I don't accuse you, merely read what you wrote...

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

Dill Carver, I have blocked you. You are the most poisonous, destructive person I come upon in a long while. Why you feel the necessity to attack others when they're vulnerable only you know. Karen

Totally weird. Not sure which one of your realities  you were in when you wrote that?

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dagnee wrote:

You're all for facing the truth, so...I was a recipient of a review that tore into an innocently written fictionalized account of an actual event. Remember?)

Truthfully, I don't recall that. I wrote literally thousands of reviews back in the day upon the old site. I can actually remember three or four of them.

Since 2006 through to the end of the old site I remember dozens and dozens of members, but I don't recall you? I actually thought for a while that I did, but upon searching through my old archived documents, the member that I'd interacted with who I thought was you, turns out to be 'Deb'.  I don't know how I got mixed up upon that score. We obviously moved in different circles. Most of the members that I reviewed... I reviewed dozens of times, normally all or most of their work but I honestly don't recall ever reading (or reviewing) anything that you've written outside of the forum?

Where I do remember you, is from a forum spat after the site changed to the new format. You had an opinion expressing 'for' something in one thread and a contradictory opinion expressing 'against' the very same thing within another. It's a bit hazy now but it was fiery at the time. I might ask Vern if he recalls it, I'm sure he was around within the incident.

Since the new site I don't review much. Old colleagues originally from here, mostly off-line now or on another site. I review the tNBW competitions, mostly upon a reciprocation basis, unless I read an entry from somebody I don't know whose entry impresses me. 

If I've upset you in the past then apologies.

Again, to be honest, tNBW is a relatively small particle of my life. I'm embroiled in work and family, other writing projects and sites; photography clubs and workshops (my main passion) and military veteran and reunion groups and activities. Historical research projects. Study for trade accreditation exams. That and motorcycle stuff. If only you knew the extent of my heated discussions, spats, rows and disagreements across the scope of that lot; you'd understand why my tNBW memory is weak and inconsequential.  I am quite insensitive by nature and have always walked around with my foot in my mouth. Once bitten? You are very wise to steer clear of me and I have no memory of whatever passed between us, let alone lingering resentment or anything else to dwell upon. You are a name with nothing behind it and there is no reason to change that.

Cheers, Dill

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Karen van Kriedt wrote:

All this because I dared to share my opinion that the phrase "Good job!" is patronizing, and I didn't give your prize-winning vignette a rave review. tsk tsk

I'm glad you've suddenly recovered from being the 'pity me', vulnerable and attacked victim. However, let me remind you; what you actually said, and then deleted, was;

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

Something I've noticed -- something I've been guilty of -- telling someone they've done a "Good job!", or patting them on the back with "Good work!", especially after you've torn their work to shreds, is patronizing. I for one won't be using either phrase again.

You do love to leave out the 'tearing the work to shreds' bit from your original opinion. It is pertinent because that is the statement that irked me in the first place.

As for your review of my work, I couldn't care less personally because it is worthless and pathetic. In anycase the piece is dead and was buried a long time ago. I've read some of your writing there is no doubt that you are a long way from being so authoritative an editor upon other people's work. 'Delete this, remove that, reword this' etc.etc. My fear is that you'll instill the same editorial pressure whilst 'tearing' someone else's work 'to shreds'.  Someone who might take you seriously.

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jack the knife wrote:

....I actually don't really disagree with what you've said in this thread, though I thought you could have been more measured in the way you said it. Karen probably means well and so was shocked at your diatribe against her. But your message was certainly delivered. smile

Well, I was aiming a bit more generally toward the end; but anyway, do you think that within my views that I was 'tearing to shreds' and consciously abstaining  from saying 'well done' as per the proposed reviewing best practice?

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...the vulnerability is, (and I've seen this over and again upon this site since 2006), that some insecure fledgling writer who possesses a unique and special writing voice; who has obvious talent, potential in abundance simmering under a little lack of experience or technical knowledge... is whacked and viciously 'torn to shreds' by some officious, authoritative grammar nazi or a deluded fifty dollar creative writing course graduate, who trump out the spastic laws of writing and insist upon changing the writers vibrant and expressive voice into a bland, sterile, written-by-formula robot voice; crushing their confidence, spirit and enthusiasm for fun along the way.   

Poison, you think my attitude may be... but fuck you. Fuck all the the self acclaimed editors-in-chief. The officious death-eaters who suck the life and vitality out of new creative writers.

I came here in 2006, a very insecure and inexperienced writer.  Some sanctimonious knob-cheese gave me the full- monty,  "torn their work to shreds" degrading, humiliating experience. Made me look and feel a fool. Made me feel worthless and hopeless and were very proud and pleased to do so. After all, they considered it their job, their duty.

Some of the guys here were appalled. They rounded upon the 'tear to shreds' reviewer and took me under their wing. They encouraged me, showed me, explained to me... in short they taught me to write. Or taught me how to learn to write. They set me upon my journey.

If people here upon this site now, think that it is poisonous and destructive to oppose the celebrated premise that writers should specifically NOT be told they did a good job after their work has been systematically 'torn to shreds'...

...again, fuck you. Fuck this place and any sanctimonious, officious, authoritative new-writer snuffing nazi editors that infest this site for it is not the place it was... it is not the place it should be.

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dagnee wrote:

Karen--
I don't often, okay, almost never agree with Dill...

I think that secretly you agree with me all of the time, it's just that most of the time you can't face the truth.

Seriously. I never claim to be right, I just express my current opinion. I am the first to admit I am often wrong, biased and inappropriate. It has been proved to me over and again. Sometimes, I love to be proven wrong, being shown a light, a better argument, swayed by superior logic or bested by superior intellect. They are fine moments in time, when the lights go on. Several members here have changed my interpretation, opinion and understanding upon a number of things. I realised a long time ago that if I don't let myself be educated by others, then I'll never move forward.  Okay, it's a slow job, heavy work and I'm probably not worth it; but there it is....

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Karen van Kriedt wrote:

Dill Carver, I have blocked you. You are the most poisonous, destructive person I come upon in a long while. Why you feel the necessity to attack others when they're vulnerable only you know. Karen

What is more poisonous and destructive than destroying amateur writers with your sanctimonious flawed and totally subjective reviews?  What makes you so authoritative?

You start an inflammatory thread here and then changed the nature of that thread within the title post, after people have responded to the original comments that now, no longer exist.

You submit an inane review upon my work that is supposedly created in order to expose my poor writing skills and showcase your superior editorial skills.
In your own mind it obviously made you feel superior. In reality it just made you look slightly arrogant, ignorant or maybe just plain stupid. 
You review of my work is there for everyone to read. People can make of it what they will.

Everything I’ve said is in this thread.

I responded with exactly the same reviewer attitude to one line of your work that you lavished upon four paragraphs of mine.
You are obviously another one of those precious adult children who feel totally entitled to criticize as they like and whenever they feel fit, but if the same attitude or actions they extend toward others dare be legitimately returned toward their own work, they are mortally wounded and have a psychotic episode.

Okay, you have stated that I am ‘the most poisonous, destructive person you’ve come upon in a long while.’

Fair enough, that is your unfettered opinion and you are most welcome to it. Although having said that, you must realise and accept that by the same token I am also entitled to say exactly what I feel about you?

You seem completely deluded, possibly psychotic. For God’s sake don’t look in a mirror.
Who is the vulnerable party and how are they attacked?

Look at what you said in this thread (originally) and within the review of my work, then re-read what I’ve said in reply. Show me the destructive poison. You show me mine, and I’ll show you yours.

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Karen van Kriedt wrote:

Something I've noticed -- something I've been guilty of -- telling someone they've done a "Good job!", or patting them on the back with "Good work!", especially after you've torn their work to shreds, is patronizing. I for one won't be using either phrase again.

Karen van Kriedt wrote:

Dill! You're a riot!!!
It goes to show, the sky's the limit when it comes to personal perspective on this site.

Hi Karen

BTW: I notice that your manta is "edit, edit, edit" and that you have severely edited your introduction to this thread since you first posted it. That is bad form. The replies are based upon your initial statement and you've radically changed that statement since people replied. It throws the whole thread out of context and kilter.

Anyway, I wondered what type of reviewer you are with your "torn their work to shreds" proclamation. Thankfully you answered my questions by reviewing an old piece of mine;

https://www.thenextbigwriter.com/update … 451/#start

You confine your review to the first few paragraphs and certainly (within your own mind at least) ‘tear the work to shreds’.

In one sense I feel vindicated upon the writing you feel is so awful. The piece you selected actually won 1st place within the competition for which it was written; so, although you might not say 'good job' it matters not because ultimately the judges did and the prize money was nice.

You pick up little or no valid technical issues but lambast my word choice and expression. Subjective to say the least?

You appear to demand that my literary voice conforms to your literary voice for no reason other than it is your personal preference for all writing to sound like your writing?

I am a British author from London England. I speak and write in the language I know. This story is set in London England and the characters are native.  You clearly do not understand the lingo. As with many US reviewers you assume my ‘British/London’ English language to be invalid, flawed or mistaken, insisting that colloquial expressions and regional dialects should be confined to a West Coast American version of English.   

You reviewing style is very bluntly assertive, insistent and authoritative. I feel this is in danger or appearing arrogant and ignorant.

Some snips from your review;

I write;
…O'Toole spluttered, fear weaving a tremolo into his voice.  He retreated further into the shadows.

Your editorial comment;
further? what do we have to compare it to?

Nearer? 

I write;
As the watery London dawn broadened into something brighter.

Your editorial comment;
brighter than what?

Brighter than it was previously? 

This from an author/editor who proclaims her mantra is ‘less is more’ ?

I write;
He balled his left fist and landed a vicious sideways jab to the neck of the prisoner whilst maintaining eye contact with O’Toole.

Your editorial comment;
an old-fashion version of while

It might be old-fashioned to you swanky Americans but it is actually how we talk here.

‘While’ is an expression of time. ‘I haven’t seen you in a while.’  ‘It’s been a while since I enjoyed a pint of beer.’

‘Whilst’ is used to express concurrency.’ Can you please watch my beer whilst I go for a piss.’  ‘I need to cover my arsehole whilst I bend for the soap.’

I’d say; ‘I saw her snoozing for a while, whilst at her desk, supposedly working!’

Following your editorial advice, you’d have to write; ‘I saw her snoozing at her desk for a while, while supposedly working.’

You see; your modern multiple use of a single word is not only confusing to English/English speakers… it can also require more wordage to fit into a sentence because you need to define in which context the otherwise explicit word is used.

I love to dissect and analyse prose. You said you like to ‘tear work to shreds’ and I’ve seen how you go to town. Well you are in luck. We have a ‘Shred Thread’ here, where we conduct deep inspection analysis upon sample prose.

I’ll stick your review of a piece of my piece in there so as I can fully appreciate your editorial guidance.

The game is afoot (at this point I imagine you staring indignantly down your leg to the appendage at the base whilst stating vociferously, “How can a foot be a game!”

I’ve had a quick random look at your product, and almost the first line I come across;

“A nearby apple tree was replete with apples hanging from its boughs…”

Now then, I’m not going to remark upon ‘replete’ being an old fashioned word just because I personally wouldn’t use it (or hear it) within a sentence. Nor am going to ask ‘Nearby? To what can we compare its nearness?’ I won’t at this point delve into the redundancy of being informed that the apple tree is full of apples (what not grapes?) nor that those apples upon the apple tree hang from the boughs as opposed to say, the trunk or the roots.

No, I’ll wait until I have the time to give your stuff a proper gander within the Shred Thread. This is great; I was bored and now I’m not.

It’s a game we can all play and the devil is — as you pointed out to me within the review and demonstrated within your own prose — most certainly within the detail.

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Karen van Kriedt wrote:

Something I've noticed -- something I've been guilty of -- telling someone they've done a "Good job!", or patting them on the back with "Good work!", especially after you've torn their work to shreds, is patronizing. I for one won't be using either phrase again.

True. You should communicate to them in no uncertain terms they've done bad. Fallen short. Failed to measure up.

Further to voicing subjective opinion upon the accomplishment of other people's heartfelt industry; I think the reviewer is obliged to ridicule the perpetrator of percived bad prose publically.

I feel that we should have a 'bad writer' list. A league table of authors whose prose, other people feel the compulsion and justification, to 'tear to threads'. 

It would let everybody know exactly where they stand within the assessment of an individual's subjectivity.