Also...  I became enamoured with the ACW Pinhole Camera site; enchanted by the images (so thanks again for that!) and from that site became interested in 'Sherman's March to the Sea campaign, which resulted in a desire to learn more. I therefore purchased a really beautiful hardback edition; Southern Storm: Sherman's March to the Sea by Noah Andre Trudeau

The book is highly acclaimed and I would recommend it because the story is told from the perspectives of letters and diaries and includes printed manuscripts of the time. This was a savage campaign and again I am surprised at the sheer ferocity of the conflict which was in effect a dispute amongst kinsmen.

I now have to check out Noah Andre Trudeau’s other American Civil War titles.

Amazon loves me.

Thanks for those titles, they are now on my list.

I've been reading a lot about the disappearance of the Confederate Government's Gold and Silver reserve following the war. Articles, and snippets; trivia mainly. There is a lot of conjecture and theory along with legend, folklore and fiction. All the lost-treasure mystery over-hype and romance that you'd expect. I've been looking for a grounded historical reference book that deals with the facts, but can't find one. I can only assume that not enough facts are known (or survived).

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vern wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings when I called you stupid. I honestly thought that you already knew.

My only intent for commenting on this is to say that it could well join the list of classic insults listed at the beginning of this thread. PC or not, I literally laughed out loud and nary a cuss word was uttered. That is a literary feat extraordinaire imho. Take care. Vern

I can't claim it Vern. I think it has been commonly used before; or a variant of it. I was paraphrasing from memory.  The 'You're so stupid that you are incapable of realizing just how stupid you actually are.' genre of taunt/insult smile

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I'm sorry I hurt your feelings when I called you stupid. I honestly thought that you already knew.

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Q.X.T.Rhazmeulen wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

Wow! What was that?  It whooshed over your head.

Janet Taylor-Perry was right about you, at least

Dill, go back and look at my original post, the one you inexplicably derided, and ask yourself of if I'm being serious or sarcastic. I think if you do that you'll see we're actually on the same team. In the meantime, peace to you. Let's not have any hard feelings over what I can only imagine is a misunderstanding.

inexplicably derided?

I was just exchanging examples of classy insults - tit for tat, one knocking on from the other, on a completely abstract and non-personal basis. I thought that was the game. Had no idea you'd break out and take the insults literally/personally

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Dill Carver wrote:
Q.X.T.Rhazmeulen wrote:

Dill, um, wow. Could it be that you really don't get it? That's scary. And more than a little ironic. Well, do continue to feel victorious if it'll help you sleep at night. Toodles.

Wow! What was that?  It whooshed over your head.

Janet Taylor-Perry was right about you, at least

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Q.X.T.Rhazmeulen wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:
Q.X.T.Rhazmeulen wrote:

Golly, I reckon most of 'em just went clear over mah head. Do you s'pose you could 'splain 'em to us all?

smile

I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain this to you.

No doubt you are wasting both on your literary pursuits. smile

Well, at least you were able to spare us some of your own precious time in order to humiliate yourself in public. smile

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Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

My friend Dorothy A.Day shared this with me. I wonder how many of you will get them.

Is this line an example of when insults didn't have class?

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Q.X.T.Rhazmeulen wrote:
Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

I wonder how many of you will get them.

Golly, I reckon most of 'em just went clear over mah head. Do you s'pose you could 'splain 'em to us all?

smile

I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain this to you.

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JLane wrote:

An interesting discussion. Speaking of rules and rules breakers, I'd like to drop Cormac McCarthy's name into the mix...
...I enjoy his work but find it confusing at times. He's not great at identifying which character is speaking. Following longer bits of dialogue can be tedious. In "The Road", he doesn't give his two primary characters names. He uses only the terms "father", and "son" to identify them.

Joe

On long solitary car journeys I listened to the unabridged audio-book of Cormac McCarthy's 'the Road' as narrated by Tom Stechschulte. It was intense and I was captivated. Alone in the car with this story, I was so absorbed that I could have driven off a cliff without noticing. A truly gut wrenching story. So powerful and indelible, a harrowing story that one can never forget.

About six month later I bought the novel and true, I struggled a bit when reading it because of odd punctuation; although I heard Stechschulte's wonderful voice in my head as I read and I think this helped me smooth out a few wrinkles.

A brilliant novel, one that scars you for life. That's powerful writing.

Whoops. I think that I must have hit the 'Edit' button on your post rather than 'Quote'??

What can I say? Perhaps you should report me to the moderator again?  smile

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corra wrote:

If Moonshine Cove Publishing doesn't like dialogue tags beyond "said," it's probably good form not to submit a manuscript filled with dialogue tags beyond "said" to Moonshine Cove Publishing.

That's possibly why Moonshine Cove are not a Penguin Random House, HarperCollins or a Bloomsbury?

I can't find a book within my best-seller shelf that doesn't have a tag beyond "said," or two.

I watched Ken Burns Vietnam documentary episode by episode (there are ten). It is eighteen hours long. Quite an investment, but I thought it was worth it. There is so much I never knew.

corra wrote:

Is The Constant Gardener still your favorite by John le Carré? I have it on my list. x

Oh, my word! The Constant Gardener. I had never been so moved by a novel when I first read it. Totally absorbing, it made me smile, I felt genuine happiness, grief, outrage, anger and compassion. It shook me to the core.

It is an oddity amongst le Carré novels because it is a love story above all else. Pure unconditional love and it breaks my heart.

Many critics pan it. Other readers shun or dismiss it. Me? I love it. It was written for me; my kind of story. Totally. People rave about the likes of 'to Kill a Mocking Bird' and Tess of the D'urbervilles but these books are shallow drivel compared to the Constant Gardener, IMO wink

Ralph Fiennes and Rachel Weisz are brilliantly cast as Justin and Tessa Quayle in the movie.  I prefer the novel but the film is well worth watching. Fiennes is great in the role.

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vern wrote:

It seems to need repeating that NO ONE is saying you can't break rules.

It is true, NO ONE here is saying that you can't break rules. Who are you repeating it to? Who is saying that you must adhere to rules?

Pardon me if I've misunderstood your post but I'm baffled by your comment?

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Mariana Reuter wrote:

I don't think you need to be a best-selling author to break the so-called rules...

True.

From the perspective of an avid reader of commercial fiction; current and classic I find that speech tags/action tags/beats are indeed (generally) present within the best-sellers and most the respected literature.

As with any art form, the difference is within the execution. Speech tags can flow within prose, the application seamless within the reading experience and their inclusion feels natural and not out of place.

Just as they work within good writing, so they jar and can annoy (upset the flow of the read) within prose that is not executed quite so well.

As well as reading commercial fiction (at the late of at least a novel a week for the past two and half decades), I read a fair amount of amatuer writing. Generally the difference is the quality of the read. The execution of the pose, or the way (or ease of which) the readers mind is able to lift the words from the page and processes them. The story/plot/premise is extremely important too, but poor prose can be repellent.

Badly written speech tags can jar. Naturally flowing tags are assimilated within the prose and sound natural to the readers ear during the transition to the minds-eye.

I've read some great prose that has no speech tags and great prose that has many. I've also read some poor prose examples of both cases. I've read some jarring prose where it is obvious that the author has contrived to eliminate speech-tags completely and has not pulled it off 'naturally.'  The style agenda is obvious and the read is so laborious because the simple, instant establishment of an emotion, mood, reaction or motion via a single (or few) word tag attributed to the speaker is played out (laid out) within narrated passages of 'expanded action' that slow the read and dull read to the point that it is a drag. The prose sounds contrived and the reader is jarred.

Similarly, I've read many examples where the speech-tags are too prolific and sometimes not too appropriate within their description or communication of the speakers MO or demeanour. The prose sounds contrived and the reader is jarred.

As for the 'rules of creative writing,' I think (again strictly from the view of reader), that good prose rocks and poor pose sucks; and that's about all that can be said.

I think that writers should let their writing settle upon the page for at least 24 hours and then read it out aloud to themselves in order to better appreciate the reader's experience.

For me, the reader; prose either rolls off the page into my minds-eye and is processed subconsciously into a flowing succession of controlled thought... or pose consists of type written words upon a page that I need to interpret and manually arrange into a legible storyline.  Speech-tags can be present or not, it's just that they are noticed for their presence or their absence within that second kind of prose.

corra wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

A Legacy of Spies. by John le Carré.

A new novel; from the past. My favourite author reaffirmed.

Hi! smile I'm glad he's got another out for you.... x

I swallowed it whole; couldn't put it down. Nearly killed myself with sleep deprivation and motorway driving.

I love the way he writes; the voice and the unfurling of a story. This is an old story revisited in the modern age by way of an investigation. I know the old story very well and to see it dissected from a different POV in a new era is quite fascinating. Deja vu prevails with the sense of the familiar.

How the defeated (smashed) West and East Germany of post WWII 1950's has rejuvenated, reunified and risen to control Europe, anyway, by 2010 is a truth that would be hard to believe if it were fiction.

Dill Carver wrote:

....Anyway, I've just started to watch Ken Burns documentary series upon the Vietnam War...  Only 5 mins in, but I have great expectations. x

Wow! They say this documentary took ten years to make. As well as the conflict in-situ it takes in the home front and political accounts during the entire period. To me, a dumb and ignorant Englander, this is totally fascinating... a million things I never knew about American modern history! Incredible. I'm looking at a different version of the world now.

A Legacy of Spies. by John le Carré.


A new novel; from the past. My favourite author reaffirmed.

Wow! Some of those pin-hole camera images are truly stunning!  Thanks for that link!!!
https://civilwar150pinholeproject.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/overland030_4x5cropblog.jpg

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Wouldnt bet on it.

Har!

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I am going to have a look at The Lymond Chronicles BTW.

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Novels are like sleeveless striped pullovers knitted by a distant, affected aunt. Some will fit and other are nowhere near. One person's gauche is another's Gucci.

At some point, everyone will encounter a bestseller that everyone else raves about and yet you can't get past two chapters. Sometimes it is the 'emperor's new clothes,' otherwise a case of one person's poison is another person's medicine.

I found similar symptoms to those you describe when I started to read the historical novel, Wolf Hall by Hilary Mantel.

Opinion is split upon that book too...

... as soon as I opened the book I was gripped. I read it almost non-stop. When I did have to put it down, I was full of regret the story was over, a regret I still feel. —Vanora Bennett, The Times

...dreadfully badly written... Mantel just wrote and wrote and wrote. I have yet to meet anyone outside the Booker panel who managed to get to the end of this tedious tome. —Susan Bassnett, Times Higher Education

Although, I persevered with Wolf Hall and am glad that I did because I ended up loving it and now buy everything Hilary Mantel produces.

Congratulations Sheriff Norm and thanks for flagging it MR! 

Although, could you please post the URL-link to the book? It's not showing on Amazon-UK (probably because of international tax laws/procedure). I can purchase from Amazon USA and pay the import tax for foreign delivery (as I have previously with books from several tNBW'ers who have published). I'm acquiring quite a shelf of authors from this site.

Halloween: not as frightening as it used to be?

(I think the last two might have been faked)
http://i.imgur.com/CtrKP15.jpg?1

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/scary-vintage-halloween-creepy-costumes-13-57f6494cb1b8b__605.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/99/d6/62/99d6629a188a8a6eaac68f22448c943d--vintage-halloween-photos-vintage-halloween-costumes.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e9/7a/6b/e97a6b4a7458cbe3b567b46dcb23d01f--weird-costumes-vintage-halloween-costumes.jpg

In my Amazon basket now. Thanks for the steer! Appreciated!

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