Actually, I think this is the link to the actual dictionary.
That is actually the actual dictionary. Thanks!! x
Now I know what a toad choker and a quill pig are!
Actually, I think this is the link to the actual dictionary.
That is actually the actual dictionary. Thanks!! x
Now I know what a toad choker and a quill pig are!
... You spoke earlier about using the natural speech patterns within dialogue. To alter this character's speech pattern would change him....
Har! True.
Looks like I gone GOT busted!
Jeez, a gazillion posts since the recommendation to preview "The Martian" and see how bad the writing is. Well, I did that this morning. And I didn't find anything outrageous or outre. It was a log, and I thought it read like a log would. No "showing" or dialogue applied. I don't get the sneering. But I only read a few pages. Does the author lose all sense of literacy further on? Just curious, since I didn't see anything, even if it were written by a TNBW author, to nit about.
A piece of commercial writing is reviewed objectively by individuals who then subjectively express their individual opinions about it for the purpose of a discussion (as you do). Why are the opinions that don't conform to your own, labelled sneering? Are you the ultimate authority upon the official quality of prose? It is totally okay that you liked it; that's the point of the discussion. The opinions that are pro or con are valued equally. Nobody is going to call you a shallow minded cheerleader or some such for having an opinion of your own, but why be aggressive and attack other legitimate points of view as sneering? It comes across as if you hold any opinion other than your own in contempt?
There is a broad span of personal taste, opinion and preference when it comes to any art form or media product. Can this community not hold an open minded discussion upon literature and the art or writing within the bounds of respect, understanding and civil minded debate? Where is the professionalism and camaraderie? Why must aggression be injected and points be made with snarky digs at people with opposing views? That kind of behaviour discourages others from entering into a conversation because it is not friendly and not conducive to an open minded community.
Memphis Trace wrote:How many of the gets http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/get?s=t are begotten?
Definition 29:
noun
29.
an offspring or the total of the offspring, especially of a male animalMemphis
My war on 'got' within this novel (from another forum thread).
I have minor issues with the slack-jawed lingo and phrases like ‘a hot cup of coffee.’ This is a cup of hot coffee surely? But realise this is American and so probably colloquial but,… ‘They got a hot cup of coffee and a firm handshake when they got home.’
'Got' is such a dumbed down vocal expression. Surely, give this astronaut fellow some diction?
‘They received a cup of hot coffee and a firm handshake when they arrived home.’
Dill Carver wrote:corra wrote:(I don't think Tess would make it on Mars.)
The place sounds uncomfortable, barren and tragic. She'd love it.
If she loved it, it would hardly be a proper tragedy.
What is 'proper' tragedy to a masochist and a martyr? Any drama or discomfort will do.
(I don't think Tess would make it on Mars.)
The place sounds uncomfortable, barren and tragic. She'd love it.
.... but it gets the job done.
See, now you have been infected with the toothpick chewin' lingo of the Novel in question.
it features the words 'get' 'gets' and 'got' x10,000
...but it achieves its objective.
Mind you, I threw that one down after about twelve bloody chapters, rather than the third page.
Maybe there's hope for Tess, after all.
...The story is EXCELLENT. Sincerely, by the end, I don't even care how it's written. The protagonist is very funny. The plot carries the tale, and the writing -- eh. It's not high literature or anything, but it gets the job done.
That is my review.
I can't wait to see the film version!
I knew there had to be something beyond those intro pages for it to be such a roaring success.
I read a review that simply said;
"Robinson Crusoe in a spacesuit."
Dill Carver wrote:And there I was thinking you had to get naked with an Agent.
I don't think that would be too outlandish.
Nor do I, Agent corra. Nor do I.
Dill Carver wrote:Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:Thought this thread was closed due to the uncivilized turn it took.
If you are using the Chrome browser in Windows 10 you can hold down the [Ctrl]+[Alt] keys and triple tap on the '$' key then the '#' key whilst the mouse pointer has focus upon the 'Post Reply' text; then a 'Closed' thread is reopened.
Thanks for the lesson, Dill. I love learning new things. Now, I need to print this out so I have it in front of me for next time.
You could either save it as a macro and assign it to a single key.... or print it out upon a lettuce leaf.
Dill Carver wrote:Yet there it is; passed the agents, editors and publishers....
I don't think it passed any of that, actually. The author originally self-published the book (in 2011) and offered it free on his blog. He targeted the readers rather than the industry. They sent him through to Hollywood.
So there is hope for us all, after all! And there I was thinking you had to get naked with an Agent.
Really great point. It's like those exercises they have online that fill in numbers and such for letters within words, and the brain just fills in what's missing. Poorly described
but perhaps people know what I'm talking about.
“Sometimes I could put myself to sleep saying that over and over until after the honeysuckle got all mixed up in it the whole thing came to symbolize night and unrest I seemed to be lying neither asleep nor awake looking down a long corridor of grey halflight where all stable things had become shadowy paradoxical all I had done shadows all I had felt suffered taking visible form antic and perverse mocking without relevance inherent themselves with the denial of the significance they should have affirmed thinking I was I was not who was not was not who.”
- Faulkner (The Sound & the Fury)
I feel like the brain supplies missing punctuation here? At least in the first few sentences. At the start of the passage, the cadence is intact, so one can naturally place punctuation without seeing it. By the end, the cadence is so frayed (I) had to reread the final words to make sense of them. Faulkner sets up a pattern with the cadence, allowing us to fill in the missing punctuation. Then he changes the rhythm. The effect is disorientation and chaos.
The form matches the scene.
An attempt?
“Sometimes
I could put myself to sleep saying that over and over
until after the honeysuckle
got all mixed up in it
the whole thing came to symbolize night
and unrest
I seemed to be lying neither asleep nor awake
looking down a long corridor of grey halflight
where all stable things had become shadowy
paradoxical
all I had done
shadows all
I had felt
suffered
taking visible form
antic and perverse mocking without relevance
inherent themselves
with the denial of the significance they should have affirmed
thinking I was
I was
not who was not was not
who.”
-
Faulkner (The Sound & the Fury)
Thought this thread was closed due to the uncivilized turn it took.
If you are using the Chrome browser in Windows 10 you can hold down the [Ctrl]+[Alt] keys and triple tap on the '$' key then the '#' key whilst the mouse pointer has focus upon the 'Post Reply' text; then a 'Closed' thread is reopened.
...it does make me wonder about the "junk" status of anything being merely in the eye of the beholder. Just curious about other opinions on this particular book or one which may have had the same "junk" status for you, yet did quite well in the market. Take care. Vern
Hi Vern
we were discussing similar in an adjacent group forum/thread;
In this case it is the current bestseller, (and now a major movie) ‘The Martian’
You can read the opening in the Amazon ‘Look Inside’ feature.
http://www.amazon.com/Martian-Andy-Weir … he+martian
If you read the opening three or four pages and perform a tNBW-type review upon it, I think you’ll find the writing could be considered poor or defective within several aspects.
Yet there it is; passed the agents, editors and publishers....
It’s most certainly not for me, yet people love it. It has gone to the top of the charts and the movie is massive too.
There must be a good story in there under the ‘junk’ prose.
("Let's eat grandma" vs "Let's eat, grandma").
As a standalone phrase this looks conclusive, but within the context of a full conversation or dialogue the erroneous (or completely and utterly out of context) meaning is hardly likely to be mistaken for the inherent meaning.
Can you read this?
Have you read that?
Did you mix those meanings up? Do we need to write...
Can you reed this?
Have you red that?
How about;
The wind filled the sail and the boat lurched forward.
He bent to wind the clock.
or
The wind blew the leaves from the trees.
He has to wind the clock before he leaves for work..
I'd be surprised if anyone gathered the wrong meanings from these sentences. Context is key. If the context is clear then punctuation is more or less redundant because your brain takes over.
Commas are important, I'm just saying that understanding "Let's eat, grandma" depends more upon the context than the punctuation.
Go with your gut. For all the good intent and expertise of reviewers there is always a natural inclination upon their behalf to have you write the piece the way they would have written it.
If you are happy with your style and voice, then discard advice on that score and retain advice upon grammar and premise.
In fairness, the sarcasm I employed is as "funny" as is the original post is "funny", but you never hear any such concession from "feminists" who are really just female sexists or lesbians.
The Taliban will be discharging their AK-47's into the air in support of your views. For that I commend you. The more ammunition they expend harmlessly, the better IMO.
Feminists?
I am born of one, married another and sired two more.
Whilst your statement provides me with a niggling inclination that you might be right, I shall put it to them today for the authoritative view.
"I finished making water some time ago. I'm no longer in danger of blowing myself up."
In the book, he actually means he made water from chemicals. That's not how I read it!
Creating water is very different from making water; especially if you've recently done a couple of volumes of Hillary Mantel
quote=corra]
...it is un-funny feminist propaganda...
....Who knows or cares to know about Leonard Woolf, by the way? Or Clive Bell, for that matter.
Wasn't it Leonard Woolf who when asked, 'How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb? replied, "None, feminists can't change anything."
...and that's why his wife had, "change this you bastard" inscribed upon his headstone?
For fun and interest; anyone want to have a stab at punctuating this Cormac McCarthy passage?
he walked out in the gray light and stood and he saw for a brief moment the absolute truth of the world the cold relentless circling of the intestate earth darkness implacable the blind dogs of the sun in their running the crushing black vacuum of the universe and somewhere two hunted animals trembling like ground-foxes in their cover borrowed time and borrowed world and borrowed eyes with which to sorrow it
If it's dark enough to get into the soul that way, it must be something, though I'm a bit hesitant, because I do get mooded by literature.
I think I'll begin with A Farewell To Arms tonight. That passage you cited in the other thread really got to me.
If I were to describe 'Farewell to arms' and 'the road' in a single sentence each, I'd say that 'Love shines through.' of one where 'Desperation shines through' in the other. I found both of them very moving.
A friend of mine keeps insisting I read The Road ...
It is quite engaging and the writing style is immense, but I found the story deeply depressing (for such is the authors intent, and the quality of his story-telling) it put me in a dark mood for weeks. I was depressed as if I'd suffered a trauma in real life. If ever there was a 'feel-good' book this is a 'feel-bad' one. In some ways I've never recovered from it, for just like a real life experience I visit scenes from it in my mind now and again. When I do I'm always depressed with a prevailing feeling of hopelessness.
If you are a sensitive soul, it is not a story that comes and goes; this one sticks. When I see the book in its jacket upon my shelf, a black ball of gnawing dread forms in the pit of my stomach.
Farewell to arms, on the other hand, is lifting my by my heart and opening my mind to dreadful and wonderful things. I feel the humanity within it.
(Sorry to the Thread if this post has gone off piste - no hijack intended )
I'm speechless by the end of this paragraph. I've just reread it several times.
I found the last five or six sentences had particular impact.