(Ragnar the Viking, on Poets)

“These word-stringers make nothing, grow nothing, kill no enemies, catch no fish, and raise no cattle. They just take silver in exchange for words, which are free anyway. It is a clever trick, but in truth they are about as much use as priests.”

― Bernard Cornwell, The Last Kingdom

color'd belch’d learn’d the USA'd answer to
William
McGonagall

gobblefunk


...as in “Don't gobblefunk around with words.”   Roald Dahl.

corra wrote:

I just finished The Crucible by Arthur Miller, which inspired me to begin The Witches: Salem, 1692 by Stacy Schiff. I'm also still reading A Farewell To Arms and Stardust. I'll be finishing Toni Morrison's Sula in a few minutes. I've never read Toni Morrison. I found the work incredibly poetic and -- well, readable. I wanted to know what would happen!

(I love the way movies inspire us to pick up books. That's what inspired me to read Testament of Youth by Vera Brittain.) smile

I'll be looking for Toni Morrison, thanks for that.

The great thing is that novels inspire the movie makers. When a good film comes along, the inspirational book is likely to be good too. I recommend the 'Child 44' movie very highly. It delivers a strong insight into the internal conflict of values and justice within Russian officials and their families  during this period when every thought exposed or emotion shown could be extremely dangerous. Much like the 'literary fiction' of the movie world, we feel these characters very deeply.

I saw another movie and it has wrecked me for a while.   Called '96 Minutes' it essentially centres around a 'carjacking' incident in Atlanta Georgia. It shocked me to the core. I've been around the world, to armed conflicts within Europe, Africa and the Middle East but none of that prepared me for this. I don't know how accurately this movie portrays the truth about the culture, morality and values of some of the characters portrayed, but it depicts a bleak and harrowing insight into the hip-hop gangbanger culture. People with such a perverted sense of morality that it has made me despair about the human race and where we are going. I've seen people within the most destitute and dire situations possible, refugee camps in war-torn Africa and there is more hope, honour, dignity and humanity there, than within these beer swilling, drug cultured video gaming, gun toting animals. Sickened to the core at how little these people value their own lives and community, let alone the lives of other innocent people. The ultimate 'feel bad' movie that make me feel disgusted to be human. If there's a book, I'll never read it for the bleak and depressing insight that it portrays upsets me to the core. How have we come to this?

I purchased a copy of Child 44 by Tom Rob Smith from the bookstore today.

I watched the movie on Saturday and was very impressed (moved) by it and so bought the novel upon the first opportunity that presented itself.
I've not started it yet. I have some train commuting and a return flight this week and this book will be my companion.

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Perhaps it was the sheer volume of diversity within the forming US that necessitated holding-on to the common language so tightly; lest it meltdown into a melded multilingual chaos on a page for which no structure could possibly exist? Grammar as concept would have had to be scrapped and completely reinvented.

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Thanks for taking the time to explain with such clarity, Charles.

I initially thought that I get it; but it wasn't until this answer that I got it.

Appreciated!

Several years ago, Memphis introduced me to elements of (regional) American English that are closer to Elizabethan English, than modern British English. As you also mention.

I find that fact fascinating and highly surprising given the sheer mix of different language speaking immigrants that formed the current USA nation. You'd think given the melting pot plus the chaos element, that more of a hybrid language derived from English, Spanish, Italian, German, French, Russian, Mandarin, whatever it is the leprechaun Irish speak and Polish... et al, would have evolved, rather than a less changed variant of English than modern British English.

I guess that's why the subject and processes within can only really described by the word 'chaos'.
       
Cheers!

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:

Predict how successful Corra and their womyn of the '90' will be in eliminating grammatical gender. This is not a yes-or-no question but rather one that requires some historical precedent. Inserting new words like latino and african-american which otherwise would not evolve naturally  is not at all the same as changing grammar. We no more understand how grammar changes than we know how Man evolved from some species of simian now extinct,  but it certainly was not by direction of some orchestrators.

Even many simplest (and logical) changes in spelling and punctuation suggested by Noah Webster in a time of widespread illiteracy were rejected or ignored, and that is at the periphery of grammar.

Hi Charles

I am open-minded and prepared to evaluate positions beyond my current assumptions and understanding; but isn't the above simply confusing grammar with language?

Where grammar is the language law of the day and language is how we communicate today.

I mean, when the North Americans change the English language from the English of the British and Australians, New Zealanders and to an extent Canadians wherever they feel they'd like to  i.e. substituting 'Z' for 'S'  in industrialise, industrialize etc. And dropping the the 'U' within labour, labor etc. And the 'double L words' i.e. marvellous, marvellous etc. The 'ow for 'ough' words like, plough, plow. And the numerical and scientific re-wording i.e. milliard to billion etc. And the 'ea' words, paediatric, pediatric etc. and the re-phrased or alternate wording, spelled, spelt etc. ...

...none of this changes punctuation, it is only spelling (or is that spelting over there?). But spelling is still grammar, isn't it? Who made these changes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia … g_variants

Societies change beyond nationality and alternate spelling. Society's views, attitudes, tolerances, understanding and interpretations are dynamic and shift with each generation or even within each generation.  Surely "the Corras' and their womyn of the '90' are a reflection of this? They seek to amend the grammar of the past to fit the language of today. The language driven by society or needing to change in order to articulate our lives within current society in a manner that will be understood by said current society.

That said; the prescriptivist and descriptivist are an irrelevant categorisation and despite being full of self-importance, they don't really influence the evolution of a language to any more extent than plastic surgeons and snappy dressers influence the evolution of human biology. 

Or is this exactly what you were saying when rather than categorise a 'prescriptivist' and a 'descriptivist' you categorise a 'corra' and a 'grammarian?'

Regards, Dill

corra wrote:

I've never heard of this book. I just held it at my library.

Thank you for sharing. smile xoxo

There's a movie of the book. My daughter Holly actually wore out her DVD of this film and we had to replace it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfYBKDyF-Dk

I never minded so much, watching it with her on those rainy Sunday evenings. Mainly because of Michelle Pfeiffer who is some kind of wonderful.

Oh, and a song, a track from the film. She drove us crazy performing her karaoke of this constantly for about two years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfwneeyGFek

Although, the very best thing is the prose in the book, truly good and worth a read for it's own sake, despite the YA genre.

Waterloo

feckless

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vern wrote:

Just dropped in to see if any cuneiform has been presented. I don't see any so I reckon the concretist doesn't know any. Can't say I'm surprised. I'll be back. Take care. Vern

I've knocked some up.

http://www.penn.museum/cgi/cuneiform.ph … e=inscribe


It's live and learn here for me. Try the 'cuneiform creator' http://www.penn.museum/cgi/cuneiform.php

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vern wrote:

...does anyone think language has remained or will remain static?

Evidence proves that it is evolving as we speak.

http://www.andreacatton.co.uk/wp-conten … elling.jpg

http://www.mentalfloss.com/wp-content/u … rdhats.jpg

http://i1.wp.com/mydesignstories.com/ad … 10/163.jpg

https://michaeljlewis.files.wordpress.c … aysign.jpg

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vern wrote:

With this vast increase in human knowledge, does anyone think language has remained or will remain static?

Well, Esperanto and Klingon have. But that's the advantage of a constructed language.

(Sorry, just fiddling with your balls in the bucket) wink


Do you think that; 

"...the scientist puts his little balls in the bucket, counts them, and declares the end of the research."

will ever change to;

...the scientist places their little balls into the bucket, counts them, and declares the end of the research.

It is rhetorical of course, because as society and civilization evolve, such change must be reflected within language else how would we continue to communicate accurately?

What passes for headline news in the UK

So why does the bloke (it's Scotland, so it might be a woman), have to point as he laughs? I think it is a bit rude.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Go+aberdeen+source+imgur_58c110_4902818.jpg

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:

It is always amusing when the "scientist" puts his little balls in the bucket, counts them, and declares the end of the research

Amusing, yes; but if he counts more or less than two there is something wrong.

It's a good job scientists are always he's not she's or they'd be none. Research it all she likes. Zilch.

Stumped

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corra wrote:

"Are you calling me a prescriptivist?"

...said the Calvinist Baptist from the Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches of Northern California to the Lutheran Baptist of the New England Evangelical Baptist Fellowship.

"I don't know what that is, but I sure as hell do know that I'm not one." interjected the Evangelical Free Baptist from the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship Association.

He stared up at the stars: and it seemed to him then that they were dancers, stately and graceful, performing a dance almost infinite in its complexity. He imagined he could see the very faces of the stars; pale, they were, and smiling gently, as if they had spent so much time above the world, watching the scrambling and the joy and the pain of the people below them, that they could not help being amused every time another little human believed itself the center of its world, as each of us does.


Another from an oft read bedtime story, a passionate favourite of my younger daughter who was very much away with the fairies. She loved (loves) the enigma and enchantment of a fairy story and this one has it all; romance; witches and spells; beautiful princesses pitching good against evil (whereas the other daughter prefers a more earthy ‘hobbit-like’ fantasy within her fiction).   

Not too much of a chore to read this one if I’m honest. I do like the language of the long sentence and the ethereal nature of the wonderment within this novel. Too be honest it’s a corker and with some of the most beautiful prose to be read, one that you don’t hear too much about (compared to say Harry Potter).

“You know when I said I knew little about love? That wasn't true. I know a lot about love. I've seen it, centuries and centuries of it, and it was the only thing that made watching your world bearable. All those wars. Pain, lies, hate... It made me want to turn away and never look down again. But when I see the way that mankind loves... You could search to the furthest reaches of the universe and never find anything more beautiful. So yes, I know that love is unconditional. But I also know that it can be unpredictable, unexpected, uncontrollable, unbearable and strangely easy to mistake for loathing, and... What I'm trying to say, Tristan is... I think I love you. Is this love, Tristan? I never imagined I'd know it for myself. My heart... It feels like my chest can barely contain it. Like it's trying to escape because it doesn't belong to me any more. It belongs to you. And if you wanted it, I'd wish for nothing in exchange - no gifts. No goods. No demonstrations of devotion. Nothing but knowing you loved me too. Just your heart, in exchange for mine.”

There are literally hundreds of wonderful passages within this novel, far too many to reproduce…


They kissed for the first time then in the cold spring rain, though neither one of them now knew that it was raining. Tristran's heart pounded in his chest as if it was not big enough to contain all the joy that it held. He opened his eyes as he kissed the star. Her sky-blue eyes stared back into his, and in her eyes he could see no parting from her.

                                                            -----

“The squirrel has not yet found the acorn that will grow into the oak that will be cut to form the cradle of the babe that will grow to slay me.”

                                                        -----

“Are we human because we gaze at the stars, or do we gaze at the stars because we are human?”

                                                            -----     

It was sometimes said that the grey-and-black mountain range which ran like a spine north to south down that part of Faerie had once been a giant, who grew so huge and so heavy that, one day, worn out from the sheer effort of moving and living, he had stretched out on the plain and fallen into a sleep so profound that centuries passed between heartbeats.
                                     
And one that should go into the best openings thread for a wonderful alternative to the ‘once upon a time’ opening line.


“There was once a young man who wished to gain his Heart’s Desire.”

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Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

Here are mine. A former student designs all my covers.

http://amzn.to/1ld8grm
http://amzn.to/1iWuYmP
http://goo.gl/6YTwyz
http://goo.gl/1eLv66

Nice; striking and professional looking with high impact and the 'house trademark' look of a series. Impressed!

A fold her folder?

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That's over estimating the packaging!   

And the first ever that didn't got a trademark 'Take Care...'  smile

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corra wrote:

You've heard me read aloud, haven't you?

Yes, indeed I have. In fact, I recorded it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPIAKhy4u7c lol

So Matilda’s strong young mind continued to grow, nurtured by the voices of all those authors who had sent their books out into the world like ships on the sea. These books gave Matilda a hopeful and comforting message: You are not alone.”

Roald Dahl

I've always loved this passage. The metaphor of books pushed out into the ocean like little ships and books befriending people who discover, or run into them (we are their passengers as we read or listen to their story), has always struck me as a poignant thought. Whenever I hear the phrase 'book launch' I suffer the wry smile inside and I know this passage resonates forever.

I have three kids and I used to love reading to them as pups, at bedtime. Roald Dahl was a staple and I must of read 'Matilda' to each, in turn five of six (maybe more, but not less) times over;  such was its favour in their eyes. Sometimes, I'd continue reading long after they were asleep, reading for me and not wanting the 'bedtime story' activity curtailed. The Hobbit by Tolkien was another such favourite of theirs.

As the kids aged, so the bedtime story duty waned and I really miss it. At random moments my children will often quote back to me passages from their favourite bedtime stories in the mimicked voice I used to enunciate the character as I read it to them. The Baggins voice, or Miss Trunchball...

So, yesterday my youngest daughter, an unbelievable seventeen years old and learning to drive a car, quoted "...nurtured by the voices of all those authors who had sent their books out into the world like ships on the sea." to herself as she drove precariously into the aggressive urban traffic, like a lamb creeping past the wolf pack. I didn't ask her why she recited it, for I knew it was her comfort. If I'd had churched her it might have been the 'Yea, though I walk... Psalm 23:4. But I'd  Roald Dahl'd her instead, and she finds her comfort in quotes as she would prayers. I assumed that the quote was in relevant context, that her driving the car for the first time was her story and she felt as isolated and vulnerable as a little ship launching into the wild ocean; yet full of hope and not alone.

Or she may just as well have been mumbling familiar tripe due to nervousness. I didn't ask, lest I break her concentration.

Save to say, I love that passage.

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BTW, Janet

I'm sorry about Vern. He's just messing with some examples of when a book cover goes wrong and inspired by his mischief, I'm afraid that he lead me astray.

Although, to be said, his shenanigans do kind of reinforce the objectives within the article you posted; which is great. Thank you!

I've noticed that poor book covers often (but not always) go with poor book titles. Maybe this indicates that the author's judgement and compass upon all art (including creative writing) might be off-kilter?

A good book title is a precious thing and a great cover is extremely valuable too. Never underestimate the packaging.

Anyway, great subject. Thanks!