Hey Jube,
I've been thinking about your novel and your constant attemp to cut it down. I had the same issue with my first novel. It was too long and too ambitious. After carving it down, it lost it's soul and my "innovative" approach to weave multiple plotlines and depth. So I decided to divide it into two, flesh out the plots so at least one of the plot lines end and the others continue into the second and then third novel. You have enough to work with in you tome. You have battles and quests galore. If you split it up (the way Mr. Tolkein did) you can go back and fleshout the storyline's more. Give more time to the building of the worlds. Entrench the reader in the experience, rather than blast them from one incident to the other. You have the opportunity to build a vibrant, multi-textured world here. Explain the Mur and the Ein and how it affects the world around it- because that gets lost. Go into greater depth the motivations and the relationships of the characters so the reader knows them like a friend or foe. And sure, add more action scenes to keep the younger readers engrosed.
Just a thought. It would entail mapping out your current plotlines and finding where they intersect and where they don't. It was easy for me, I had a natural break- though I think you do too. I think you can end the first one where Talmas get's stabbed- that's a great hook. And the first book can be more about the battles. Go more indepth how/why they started.
I still don't think word count is as big a deal as it used to be, especially if you plan to self publish. The problem is chipping away at a story until it resembles swiss cheese and it's no longer the story you set out to tell.
CJ
126 2018-04-24 12:17:58
Re: Discussion of Jube's novel, World Of Phyries (49 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
127 2018-04-23 20:02:38
Re: Please post here regarding a completed review (671 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Completed review of Randy's New World chp 1 and 2
128 2018-04-23 16:18:25
Re: Please post here regarding a completed review (671 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Completed NJC's Book 2- Ch 25-26. ANd Jube's WOP Chapter 30-31.
129 2018-04-23 11:36:18
Re: I GOT PUBLISHED AND/OR AN AGENT! (22 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Hey Alkemi,
Congratulations. I'm feeling like a slacker. I've been posting to this sight for years, still have not published. Trying to learn all the ropes first, and want all three of my series readhy before letting it go. Once you post the first one, you're expected to "feed the beast." I love mysteries, would love to be a reviewer for your next one.
130 2018-04-22 19:00:03
Re: My first novel published. (24 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Congratulations, Alan! Looking forward to reading it.
131 2018-04-19 16:30:01
Re: Writing courses (22 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Is there anyone on this site writing memoirs? I've learned more about writing novels by reading and reviewing other writers' work. Maybe the same could be said for memoirs. When I first joined there were several memoirs posted.
132 2018-04-16 13:57:32
Re: Group settings (23 replies, posted in This is US!!)
I like the idea of no points. I'm already in a couple of groups who are reviewing current drafts (for points). I'd like to post a final draft to this group, if that's okay, of my first novel, and it would be great if I didn't need to use points. Many of the members in this group have already offered feedback when it was going through the intial phase, which was used, gratefully.
133 2018-04-09 16:27:58
Re: Passing on Some Good News (14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Congratulations and goodluck.
134 2018-04-09 16:25:55
Re: "Exile's End" is now published. (7 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Congrats! What an accomplishment, right?
135 2018-04-07 19:42:48
Re: "Love in Exile" to be published (4 replies, posted in Close friends)
Good luck!
136 2018-04-02 18:37:17
Re: Please post here regarding a completed review (671 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Completed Suin's Chapters 25-27, Surviving Fifteen.
137 2018-04-01 13:58:31
Re: Discussion of C J Driftwood's, Raven's Curse (14 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
I see your double chapter. It may take a few days to get to it. I've got a week with family coming up. But I'll try.
Meanwhile, does this book go on for nine months? Because I see an outcome for that barn scene.
No rush to review. As for the barn scene? I didn’t plan an outcome.
138 2018-03-31 18:08:34
Re: Discussion of Jube's novel, World Of Phyries (49 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
I don't think you should get hung up on word count. I've read short books that were so boring they felt long, and long books that held my interest, took me on a journey and left me craving more. If the story is interesting, and it needs all the words, to hell with it, leave them in. Dawn of the Tiger is now around 195,000 words, give or take; Raven's curse- slightly longer at 212,00. Final Conflict tops off at an epic 366,000. I may be able to trim some words off, but I doubt I could cut it down much without hurting the story. And unlike the first two (which originally was one book) there is no great place to cut this one in half.
The one thing I would suggest for you, Jube, is to not worry about the rules so much. Outline your story. Do character outlines and bios and adhere to them, so if there is a limit on magic, it is constant throughout the story. I had the premise that no one is completely evil when I designed my tiger (Fred Blackney). But in the end, I needed a thoroughly evil mastermind to move the plot. I had no issues with the believability of your story within the world you built, my issue was the volume of characters I had to keep track of- now, that said, if I were to read the book start to finish, would I still have a problem. There is a lot of things overlapping and going on behind the scenes in your story, a reader can get lost. It may not be a matter of shedding words, but structuring the novel. I'm not sure. I think to be any real help, I'd need to read the epic from start to finish. That may be true for all of us. Line edits are one thing, but you can't get a sense of the novel when it is sparked out over months, and then altered within those months. I would be game for a complete novel swap once we get closer to completing our novels. I think word count-wise, Jube, you and I are compatible.
139 2018-03-30 20:52:39
Re: Software? (3 replies, posted in Writing Tips & Site Help)
I use Apple Pages.
140 2018-03-30 20:40:29
Re: Discussion of C J Driftwood's, Raven's Curse (14 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Hey, NJC,
I'm not sold on any of the names so far. Rest assured, Final Conflict, isn't the final name. I look forward to seeing if anyone comes up with a better suggestion after reading it through.
Thanks,
CJ
141 2018-03-25 18:46:35
Topic: Why is there a limit on how many groups you can join? (0 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Topic says it all. I have diverse writing, and diverse interests. Why can I only join 10 groups?
Why is there a limit. Is it a band width issue? Why limit choice?
142 2018-03-25 18:39:03
Re: Anyone Need Credits? (3 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I don't really need the credits, but I'll be happy to review your three short stories. I like the longer reviews- I get a better sense of the style and am able to review my own comments and whether they are about style and not substance before posting.
Besides, I owe you one, thanks for the review of my work.
It usually takes me a while to complete a review, though, so be patient.
CJ
143 2018-03-22 18:58:57
Re: Please post here regarding a completed review (671 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Completed Jube's Chapter 20 rewrite.
Sorry about the false start, hopefully it's seamless.
144 2018-03-22 18:56:59
Re: Thank you, TNBW! (10 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
She sounds like you can turn her into a great character! Glad you have us as an oulet. I've thought the same thing from time to time. Take care!
145 2018-03-22 16:48:33
Re: General Comments Section (281 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Jube- I accidently clicked on the wrong button and a review that was not finished got posted. There was only one comment- I didn't think that a 1 comment review without a followup would be able to post.
Anyway- I'm currently working on it-please ignore that "whoops".
CJ
146 2018-03-20 17:10:18
Re: Please post here regarding a completed review (671 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
Completed NJC's chapter 16-18 and Matt's first chapter of the revised Girl who lost the Earth.
147 2018-03-13 19:42:15
Re: WIP Rhiannon the Nude, Vol 2: New Fairy by Rhiannon (123 replies, posted in Close friends)
Congratulations, Rhiannon. I'm doing my best to keep up with reviews. I would hate not to finish this one. How long do you think you'll leave it up while reformatting and editing?
148 2018-03-12 12:41:06
Re: Grammar Questions (20 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Doesn't it depend on when it is being told to the reader? The story could have occured in the past, but the telling is in the present. So the tense would be present tense when the aside comments pulling the reader into the story are made, and in past when the story is being told.
149 2018-03-05 14:42:07
Re: General Comments Section (281 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
I wonder if they just see the most recently posted chapter and only click on it- not realizing they can scroll up to the first chapter.
I've seen some people look for the chapters with the biggest points, comment 5 times in the first 3 chapters and leave generic closing. I feel compelled to recipricate when someone reviews my work. But not in those instances. I like that we have a review group where everyone takes the time to be helpful and dig deep.
My only problem is Randy is too prolific and I can't keep up with his writing to stay with the mission of beginning to end. Sorry Randy, I have so much on my plate now I feel like I'm spinning in circles.
150 2018-02-27 12:56:09
Re: New writer (3 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Welcome to the site, Dethdragon. The premise of your work sounds very interesting. My opinion is to fix the misspellings. Though people don't speak proper English all the time, the reader still needs to be able to understand what is being said. So, bad grammer in the dialogue is fine, misspellings, not so much. Looking forward to taking a peek.