Thieving books or thieving movies? Personally, I like the series Leverage. Everyone there is a crook, just with different specialties. Oceans 11. The Original. The Italian Job (original version)
301 2017-01-24 00:48:19
Re: The Colorless Dragon Thread (354 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
302 2017-01-23 20:34:46
Re: The Colorless Dragon Thread (354 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I magical gifts run in the family, then it isn't odd that they would develop gifts at all. However, this requires that the parents have these gifts as well, so breeding true makes sense.
I would have the massacre be obscured by one of the parents blowing up or destroying the scene. If the kids were present when the family got cornered, then you have one parent hold the line while the other parent arranges their escape. So when the dad (for example) self-destructs, there is no evidence that the kids survived.
Is it too coincidental to have all three royally-descended siblings develop magical gifts? I recently came up with a mechanic to the magic that fits some of my characters absolutely perfectly and makes sense of the villain's intentions. It makes sense of a good portion of the plot, too. Problem is, if I implement this mechanic in the way that I'm thinking, then all three Rosenward children who just happen to survive the massacre of their family, also happen to develop arcane gifts. Not just any arcane gifts, either, but rare gifts in all three cases. I could pull the "magic runs in royal blood" card, but it doesn't feel like enough. My OCD is exploding with the coincidences here.
FYI, to battle the coincidence of all three siblings surviving the massacre, I did have 2-3 brothers in mind that did not survive. Also, some rather distant members of the family survived, as well.
303 2017-01-23 20:29:16
Re: The Sorcerer's Progress (1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
A volcano isn't an antagonist.
You can fight the effects of a volcano, but Mother Nature isn't something that can be defeated. Only contained. Kind of like trying to have the villain of a story be climate change. If you want an antagonist, then there needs to be a person/ force obstructing Melayne from accomplishing her goal. A person from the endangered world who doesn't believe her and champions Shoran. Or a mysteriously sentient lurimont who is pregnant with eggs so Melayne can't blast her out of the sky. Or a Shoran minion that has been forcibly changed...a sorcerer child who can travel between dimensions.
That said, I consider your manuscript to be working toward a first draft. There is an author that I listened to (at the writers conference) who co-writes with another author. To maintain consistency, they write the plot first and add the characters/ conversation later. Because they are plot-driven (and not character driven writers), their work is about sweeping events that affect the MC without a chance of letting them misbehave and derailing the plot.
NJC's strength is in happenings. Not people. So he doesn't write about people. He knows what is going on behind the scenes, but he is getting the plot down first. Maybe/ possibly after that he can/ will consider adding a villain.
An example I can think of that is similar to this story is Sandra Bullock in Gravity. She is out on a space mission and debris kills most of her crew. Space kills everyone else. She is alone...woman vs space. One could say that the enemy is an unstoppable force (space), but the MC's worst enemy is herself. She fights herself constantly throughout the story...her depression...her fear...and her despair. Maroon Sandra Bullock on the ocean? Switch characters and that is Tom Hanks talking to a volleyball.
NJC, What I believe K is saying, IMHO, is that you have no antagonist and you need to figure one out. If Melayne's biggest obstacle is herself, then she must fight herself while she runs around/reacts to individual events. That means going into Melayne's thoughts a LOT deeper than you have accomplished thus far. Sweeping landscapes are a forte of yours, instead of depth perception into another person's soul. It might be easier to show us what is happening with Shogran, so that we see Melayne's actions block a plot or plan of the bad guy. Or introduce a 'little bad' that Melayne can defeat as she saves the volcano/ unstable dimension.
Instead of a soap opera, where time dictates the flow and events just kind of happen as they happen, an antagonist organizes the plot and narrows the scope, making it possible to break a big chunk of material into definable littler chunks. It might change the order of events in your book, but it would give your story HFN and HFA moments.
Just thinking out loud. Where you are going (right now) is a rewrite where you delve into Melayne's motivations and fears, making her fight herself. That is the route that requires the fewest rewrites or adjustment to the plot.
304 2017-01-23 13:27:10
Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B. (1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
It would be interesting if part of the sympathy vote Apollo carries is because he has been heavily filmed for his entire life. That way, the revolt let by Caligula is fueled by people who can't think of Apollo as anything but the cute baby or the rebellious teen resisting his unfair father. (Tell me that the emperor wouldn't be using the press to give him a cruel but fair kind of vibe) That way, no one really knows how whacked the emperor really is.
I really like this idea, BTW.
305 2017-01-23 13:06:27
Re: The Sorcerer's Progress (1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
And I agree on having a bad guy. At least in my work. Still trying to think how I will work that one in.
306 2017-01-23 13:05:08
Re: The Sorcerer's Progress (1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
K, since he is writing this story from the very beginning, a large portion of his work could be backstory. He is writing about a period of time and Merran/Melayne's lives. In that, there isn't a structured story to smash into 100K words.
That said, with all these threads moving parallel to each other, and all of the created backstory, he will have a ton of material to choose from and mold if he wants to make this into a published novel (as opposed to a space opera, which is kinda where his pieces lean right now)
307 2017-01-22 12:06:16
Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread (1,905 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I couldn't spoil her style any more than I could force you to take a single step in any direction other than where you were headed any way. You give me far too much credit.
308 2017-01-22 03:51:43
Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread (1,905 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I'm here. Had a bout with the newest designer flu and had to work in the interim, so I've been too weary to pay attention to fun.
So far I have a bunch of projects that I need to catch up on.
1) I need to do a power point on how to read CT scans (lecture next month)
2) I need to finish Nicole's beta read. I've been stringing her along for simply MONTHS, so I need to get cracking on it.
3) Rebecca Vaughn and I have been interacting more and she drowned me in reviews. I've hit her back with my best ideas on how to improve her work, but the individual chapters are time consuming.
4) I have to get my prescriptive privileges filled out and sent to the DEA. Work is making me do it. I've been resisting for years, but it is finally time for me to pony up and deal with the pain of rx privileges.
In addition, I need to review youz dudes. Pity is that I had some free time at work and all I got accomplished was looking at the inside of my eyelids. I feel the better now, and I have 2 days off coming up without having to travel. Or deal with any drama. Or cook for hours. Other than taking down my tree, and run a street sweeper over my carpet (which has seen better days), I don't have a lot planned. Lets see if I can spend some time with my besties.
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309 2017-01-18 11:12:44
Re: The Colorless Dragon Thread (354 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Just keep writing, Elisha. Put random thoughts into text and you can come back to it later. I initially started with a lot of disparate elements hanging from the plot like sausages. In the middle, I mentally wrote, "And something happens here." Later, I filled in the spaces, and then just kept writing in continuity.
But don't use the break to stop writing. Otherwise, you might not start again. So tell us short stories about your characters and make them vignettes. They don't have to work into the plot. Just do character work.
310 2017-01-16 15:38:00
Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B. (1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
:-) my failure isn't in the bad pun, but in the fact it was predicable. And overused. Got it. I shall have to step up my efforts to be irritating AND original
amy s wrote:Porn queen? Brings new meaning to the phrase, "down under".
Good one! Never heard that one before!
ps - only because I like you Amy, you get away with shit like this!
311 2017-01-13 01:12:24
Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B. (1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Porn queen? Brings new meaning to the phrase, "down under".
312 2017-01-13 01:11:12
Re: The Sorcerer's Progress (1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Your muse again. Just give in and let her win:-)
313 2017-01-12 12:06:41
Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B. (1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Chemically enhanced
Modified adrenaline
Supplemented adrenaline
Big whomping juice of adrenaline
FYI, I just read "Redshirt," by Skalazi. It is sarcastic in a Dirk kinda way. Read it if you want a laugh...
314 2017-01-12 12:01:31
Re: The Sorcerer's Progress (1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Here we go...
Dare you:-)
315 2017-01-10 17:15:06
Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B. (1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Hiragana is used for Japanese names. Katakana is used to write out foreign introductions to the culture. i.e. Ko-Ko-Ko-Ra (Coca Cola)
Don Chambers
To-n Chi-a-n-bu-ru
It's close, at least
316 2017-01-10 16:35:21
Re: The Sorcerer's Progress (1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Looks like? A god flying out of nowhere to save the little people is the very definition of Deus Ex Machina.
Why am I grumpy today? Sorry. Maybe because it was a snow day and I'm overdosing on my children.
Indeed. I get these unfortunate, ugly-looking moments where X appears out of nowhere to save Y and it looks like hideous deus ex machina.
317 2017-01-10 16:33:38
Re: The Sorcerer's Progress (1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Imagine the Fellowship sailing under the massive guardians carved into the cliffs, and all Tolkien writes is, "Boromir steered the boat to the shore."
You are writing an epic fantasy, with sundered fragments of worlds and patched dimensions. Melayne is gathering the power required to save a world. Merran's story is just beginning. Kirsey is trying to keep an educational system alive, and himself as well. The bad guy is plotting and breaking an already damaged network of badly constructed interacting power nexuses (I'd say Nexi, but the damn spell-check is changing it all the time.)
You say that adding description isn't your style. I cross my eyes. You parse your words. I point out that the best chapter you've written was the statues and monument to the Sundering. As far as I'm concerned, that is where Merran's story begins. That chapter was fucking GREAT.
Am I a nag? Yes. It is a job requirement at my workplace, where I wake up grumpy doctors at 2 AM. Consider it a skill-set for me to survive in life.
Suck it up, buttercup. Your material is stronger with a mere couple more lines of description placed in the right couple of paragraphs.
318 2017-01-08 14:36:22
Re: The Sorcerer's Progress (1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Kirsey rescuing Melanesia isn't hokey, but it isn't...a surprise. You put her in a situation where she would die and had a god descend from the heavens and save her. So that said, I don't know any other way to save her better.
Stray thought...how long was Melayne unconscious? Because some of the beetles would have swarmed to get her water. She should have bites all over and eggs to pick out of her teeth or fingernails, or you get the idea. This might have protected her briefly as the bugs covered her and the water within their bodies gave her some cover.
319 2017-01-07 10:52:36
Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B. (1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I see three ships!
I'm beginning to see that Rome fell because too many of Her citizens learned to read.
320 2017-01-06 08:57:37
Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B. (1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Segment your time. Set a timer. Break it into pieces, so that you don't obsess with the little things. So if it is time to write, you can only create new material, and you aren't allowed to go back to your new material and re-read.
So I give myself time to write, time to revise, and time to go back and integrate reviews. When I'm on deadline (whatever goal I've set for myself), I begin by revising the previous material, and then I have to write until my plot runs a course.
Does this help?
amy s wrote:I've kind of disinvested myself of the caps vs no caps business. That is what the line editor is for when I find a literary agent and get a publisher.
Amy, teach me your ways. I can't manage to "disinvest" myself in any of the editing business. I keep reading things over again so I know where I'm at, then I end up editing a ton and actually writing only 50-100 words.
I have no input on capitalization, unfortunately. At this point, it's going over my head.
321 2017-01-05 07:35:22
Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B. (1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Starts singing the theme for Frozen...let it go...let it go...
You've just given me incredible ammo to make you OCD all over the place...(evil grin)
I've kind of disinvested myself of the caps vs no caps business. That is what the line editor is for when I find a literary agent and get a publisher.
322 2017-01-05 07:24:54
Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread (1,905 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I'll see what I can do for more time with Zylph. I'll keep it in mind.
323 2017-01-05 02:44:08
Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B. (1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
OCD and capitalization. Let it go...let it go...don't hold it back any more...let it go...
324 2017-01-03 12:48:07
Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B. (1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
The Haanese never relax. It's a Buddhist thing.
325 2017-01-02 22:30:09
Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B. (1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Gotcha. Will block off some time for the Juli!