576 2015-10-26 02:25:59
Topic: delineating dialogue (1 replies, posted in Writing Tips & Site Help)
577 2015-10-25 03:53:36
Re: DELETE (55 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:vern wrote:Excerpted from Writers Digest:
***First, dialogue cannot be smiled, laughed, giggled, or sighed. Therefore, this example is incorrect:“Don’t tickle me!” she giggled.
You can’t giggle spoken words. You can’t laugh them or sigh them or smile them, either. (I dare you to try it. If it works for you, write me and let me know. We could be on to something.) ***
Sounds like something I might say; oh, I did. lol. Take care. Vern
I respectfully disagree with WD on this one too. "This whole conversation is exasperating," I sighed. If I say this in a long, drawn-out whisper, that is a sigh.
NO! You cannot smile words or anything that does not have sound attached. That is where I agree completely with you.
What? You haven't seen a ventriloquist smile words? lol. I have said many times, it is the author's ultimate decision on what to use. No one has the right to "tell" them what to do; we merely offer suggestions or opinions which might sway one way or the other or be thrown in the garbage bin, hopefully with no emotional baggage. Take care. Vern
Wait! I use the emotional baggage for writing fodder. I have enough of that from life before writing to make for 100 novels. Artistic differences don't cause me grief, so long as they are offered without being rude. I happen to get really tickled reading some of the comments offered. Often I just read and let others battle it out. One of my favorite quotes, "It often shows a fine command of language to say nothing."
578 2015-10-25 03:21:04
Re: DELETE (55 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Excerpted from Writers Digest:
***First, dialogue cannot be smiled, laughed, giggled, or sighed. Therefore, this example is incorrect:“Don’t tickle me!” she giggled.
You can’t giggle spoken words. You can’t laugh them or sigh them or smile them, either. (I dare you to try it. If it works for you, write me and let me know. We could be on to something.) ***
Sounds like something I might say; oh, I did. lol. Take care. Vern
I respectfully disagree with WD on this one too. "This whole conversation is exasperating," I sighed. If I say this in a long, drawn-out whisper, that is a sigh.
NO! You cannot smile words or anything that does not have sound attached. That is where I agree completely with you.
579 2015-10-25 03:17:10
Re: DELETE (55 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:, but one CAN laugh words. .
Hopefully, you're not offended, but I respectfully disagree. You can laugh at something or laugh during a conversation, but you can't laugh the words and the words of the speaker is what dialogue tags are for. Just making a sound does not make it a dialogue tag. If you or anyone can point me in the direction of any sound track where anyone can actually laugh the words, then I will gladly change my opinion. Pick any stream of words within this post or any other and try to laugh them; laugh them, not laugh during them or before them or after them or at them; simply laugh the words audibly and let me know how it works out. Put it on utube and it'll probably go viral. I'd even put up with a commercial to hear it. I would say you'd probably sound like a drunk laughing hyena, but don't want to push my luck, lol. Take care. Vern
Granted laughing words sort of comes out sounding like Woody Woodpecker (Pretty close to a drunk hyena). But it can be done. Try this one. Put your open fist to your mouth with the little opening where your thumb sort of overlaps your index finger and COUGH out as you say bullshit. I've witnessed this one on a number of movies. I guess one could say, "Joe coughed, 'Bullshit,' into his fist.
No, I'm not offended. We'll just have to agree to disagree. (Oh, I hate that phrase.) I think, though, the point of the article was the overuse of dialogue tags in general when using movement or facial expression or something would better move the story along.
580 2015-10-24 23:01:44
Re: DELETE (55 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Wow! I just found the article interesting. I would never auto delete any word. I might do a scan and see if I can use a better word, but there are times that the "words not to use" are the best choice. And what should not be done in narrative, works just fine in dialogue because it sounds natural and the way people talk. You might not want to describe someone as absolutely gorgeous in narrative, but a man might say of his significant other, "You are absolutely gorgeous in that outfit." Or he might laugh, "You are absolutely ludicrous in that getup." Yes, the words might come out sounding a bit odd, but one CAN laugh words. One cannot smile words or smirk words because there is no SOUND associated with those. But IF there is a sound associated with the "different" dialogue tag, you can do it. I think overuse of "said" is a bigger issue and much more boring. Oh, by the way, there are also times to use the damnable adverb--just sparingly.
581 2015-10-24 21:06:31
Re: DELETE (55 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
It's best to look at that list AFTER the first draft. The same thing was happening to me. So, rather than be paralyzed by fear, I wrote from the heart. It IS an excellent guideline while editing, however.
Absolutely. Write now; worry later.
582 2015-10-24 20:50:27
Re: Punctuation (296 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Punctuate this so that it makes sense:
That that is is that that is not is not.
That that is, is; that that is not, is not.
I just love how a simple look at something about grammar can cause such a stir. Technically, to make your sentence MORE correct, it should be:
That, which is, is; that, which is not, is not.
Let's see how long it takes for someone to be offended by this one.
583 2015-10-22 13:58:57
Topic: DELETE (55 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
584 2015-10-22 13:27:29
Topic: DELETE (0 replies, posted in Writing Tips & Site Help)
585 2015-10-22 02:23:48
Topic: Punctuation (296 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
586 2015-10-22 02:22:46
Topic: Punctuation (0 replies, posted in Writing Tips & Site Help)
587 2015-10-20 02:11:30
Re: Needing reviews (3 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
You have tons now!
588 2015-10-19 03:36:51
Re: Superhero Origins Contest Winners (15 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Congrats, gang!
589 2015-10-19 03:35:50
Re: Feedback (5 replies, posted in Romance Inc.)
Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:Scenario 1:
Somewhat bad boy, yet good guy, who is a part of an international organization to thwart terrorism meets dynamic local female sheriff. Instant attraction ensues, but sheriff thinks he's a cold blooded killer. Finds out differently and helps him out of country. However, the attraction is irresistible. Is it plausible in the world of romance that said man would send gifts and call said woman from a foreign country and eventually come back and have one steamy romance?
Maybe not sending gifts. Or, if he is sending gifts, it need to be gifts that's not an indication of 'serious relationship' - i.e. no jewelry. I've been told by a few male friends over the years that they only buy jewelry when they're REALLY serious about someone i.e. it's moved on from being physical to also include emotional aspects.
The success of this would entirely hang from their first meet. If the physical attraction is there and it's huge, then this would be believable (a lot believable! IMO). But in this case, the physical attraction needs to be from both i.e. the sheriff in my mind shouldn't be too 'shy' (for lack of a better word).
Overall, I think this is a great premise for a romance. The underlying physical attraction from the get go, but she thinks he's bad, and doesn't act on it. Only to find out he's a good guy, but in the chaos to get him to safety, doesn't have an opportunity to find out where it could go. It could become an obsession of sorts, why not.
And like Philisha, I also wonder why one steamy romance? There is only one universal rule for a novel to be a romance - the FMC and MMC have to end up together either happy for now or happy for ever after. Anything else is up for grabs!
Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:Scenario 2:
Pregnant woman who already has 2 kids is widowed. A killer thinks she can identify him. Local detective, who also is a widowed father, takes said woman on the lam to keep her safe. Detective delivers baby. When it's safe to come home, they do. Over several months, is it plausible in the world of romance for these two to develop feelings for each other, yet be slow to act on them due to all the trauma. Is it plausible that said woman's in-laws would actually encourage her to move on with life, possibly even find a new love?
I see no issues here except that usually romance novels require that the attraction between the FMC and MMC must be established very early on (chapter 1 early for most). The intensity can vary, but there must be something early to hint that these two are meant for each other, like each other and the readers is about to read how they end up together. Without this, it might be better suited as a love story rather than a romance. (but there are no hard and fast rules on this, so there is a lot of room to move here)
Also, readers will never forgive you if you make all those kids disappear just because they're 'inconvenient'. Knowing you, I think you'd be okay and not fall into that trap. But alone time will be tricky and will need some effort/planning, so it will be challenging to get these two to realize they're attracted to each other enough that they will go through all the trouble to find alone time together and look into it. But it should be doable, I mean, it happens all the time in IRL?!
Janet's 2-cent worth
Ninja Man's gifts are of the martial arts weapons variety. Wait until you meet these characters.
Scenario 2-Laura Beth's husband was Tanner's wife's oncologist. Tanner is widowed. Laura Beth married, but he can't help but notice her. When she is widowed, well, it's just a matter of time. You'll see if you read Head Count.
590 2015-10-19 03:31:20
Re: Feedback (5 replies, posted in Romance Inc.)
Scenario 1: Yes, it's plausible, by why only have 'one' steamy romance? How and why is the international guy to meet the local sheriff?
Scenario 2: Yes this works too, but that's a lot of kids to be moving around with. Are they moving in a camper pretending to be highly religious? That could make it more interesting and delay any physically intimate moments (when the campers rocking don't come knocking).
The kids don't go on the lam with the adults. They are sent somewhere really safe.
591 2015-10-16 23:21:29
Topic: Feedback (5 replies, posted in Romance Inc.)
Scenario 1:
Somewhat bad boy, yet good guy, who is a part of an international organization to thwart terrorism meets dynamic local female sheriff. Instant attraction ensues, but sheriff thinks he's a cold blooded killer. Finds out differently and helps him out of country. However, the attraction is irresistible. Is it plausible in the world of romance that said man would send gifts and call said woman from a foreign country and eventually come back and have one steamy romance?
Scenario 2:
Pregnant woman who already has 2 kids is widowed. A killer thinks she can identify him. Local detective, who also is a widowed father, takes said woman on the lam to keep her safe. Detective delivers baby. When it's safe to come home, they do. Over several months, is it plausible in the world of romance for these two to develop feelings for each other, yet be slow to act on them due to all the trauma. Is it plausible that said woman's in-laws would actually encourage her to move on with life, possibly even find a new love?
592 2015-10-15 22:55:10
Re: Surprising Definitions (4 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
You should have heard the hoots from my students when we read Shaw's Pygmalion and the maid referred to Eliza's "slutty" ways. Of course, the usage of the day meant messy or dirty.
593 2015-10-15 22:27:53
Re: New member? Introduce yourself! (59 replies, posted in Romance Inc.)
Welcome
594 2015-10-14 23:15:03
Topic: Review (3 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
595 2015-10-13 13:30:23
Topic: Grammar errors in your bio (0 replies, posted in Writing Tips & Site Help)
A tiny funny on this article--She has a mistake in her last little comment.
596 2015-10-04 02:44:44
Re: Ask the Expert. (62 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Those historical details add so much authenticity. Good luck!
597 2015-10-03 22:32:10
Re: More site bugs (9 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Thanks, Tom. I was using them like an arrow the way I used to on the old site. Computer speak didn't translate!
598 2015-10-03 22:19:35
Re: Ask the Expert. (62 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
If you're writing it as an American speaking, use can. If it's the Brit speaking, use tin. If it's in narration, use what would be natural to you. In the UK, you might well grab a tin of cola. Here, we'd grab a can of cola. If your narrator is from the UK, it would be natural to use language appropriate to the narrator's origin. If your story is set in the UK, tin it is (Unless you have the American speaking.). If you set your story in the US, make it authentic to the area where the story takes place.
599 2015-10-03 22:09:40
Topic: More site bugs (9 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I've posted before about parts of regular reviews not posting. If you copy and paste even one sentence, the rest won't show up. Here's my latest example with the review I just left jp lundrstom. I've message Sol about it too.
Here's my review (122 words)
I've been waiting for this! It's a really good and fast-paced re-write.
I found two commas that are not needed and one little sentence that needs fixing that I'll put at the end of this review because if I put it here, the rest won't show up.
Really good description of the doped up feeling.
I lied--two
“Silk kimono—I love it!”<<Who said this. Needs a tag. Or if it's Roger (which I think it is), let him caress the material.
“This is bad—the pills never did this before.” Mel kept losing her balance. They stopped for coffee again. “I have to pee.”<<Not sure if Mel is speaking in both places.
Here's what actually posted!
62 words
I've been waiting for this! It's a really good and fast-paced re-write.
I found two commas that are not needed and one little sentence that needs fixing that I'll put at the end of this review because if I put it here, the rest won't show up.
Really good description of the doped up feeling.
I lied--two
“Silk kimono—I love it!”
600 2015-10-01 13:23:56
Re: Chapter Word Length (26 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Something to consider is the attention span of the average reader. In an ideal word, it shouldn't and wouldn't matter, but with things going the way they are (I might be showing my age here!), I think long chapters will become more and more a disadvantage/problem. I struggle to read for long periods of time on a screen compared to the paper version, but it may just be me. And, like everything else, there will be exceptions, so my comment is only meant in a general kind of way.
Personally ... I try to keep my chapters around the 2300-2500 mark and use scene breaks liberally.
Good number of words. And, if you do have long chapters, give some time breaks for good stopping places.