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NJC's post has given me an idea. Janet, why don't you tell indie bookstores that you'll put their links on your website's book page(s) if they agree to stock your books? They get advertising, and you get outlets for your books.

You inserted a line in your quote of my post that I never wrote, C.F.B.  Doesn't help your bona fides. And I'm outta this ranting mishmash of vitriol disguised as intellectual debate. Yikes! Spend more time writing than posting this drivel, and you'll be better off. But maybe not.

Anyway, I think Gacela and I went far afield from the original thread, so I'll step aside.

For every story of a bestseller that was rejected many times first, there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of stories that are never seen because they're about authors who DON'T get their books recognized. Writing a bestseller isn't just about letting "readers decide," Gacela. It can be a wonderful book, but it takes marketing and  luck to get the book noticed and onto a bestsellers list. Games must be played, rules of the trade followed. Do it all, and your chances of success are still minimal if by success you mean selling millions of copies of your books. I've sold thousands of copies of my books, yet I'm still looking for the Cheers bar, "where everybody knows your name."

Randy, and Gray - you're too kind! Jack Du Brul is the nephew of "Black Jack" Du Brul, infamous around Burlington, Vermont when I was there going to school. Black Jack was a race car driver and owner of the Red Dog, an infamous Burlington night spot. I read one of Du Brul's books and e-mailed him with my personal history re his uncle and Burlington. He responded promptly and took me back to those good old days on the shore of Lake Champlain. Nice! Thanks, guys.

Oh, you guys!

Clancy and Ludlum apply. Patterson is iffy. I know you read the genre, Janet. You can do better than that!

1. A Wanted Man (Lee Child)
2. Death of a Dissident (Alexander Goldfarb and Marina Litvinenko)
3. The Runaway Jury (John Grisham)
4. Save the Tiger ( Steve Shagan)
5. A Time to Kill (John Grisham)
6. Flowers in the Attic (V.C. Andrews)
7. Skeleton Run (John L. DeBoer)
8. All the President's Men (Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein)
9. The Chase (Clive Cussler)
10. The Enemy (Lee Child)

Len Deighton and John Le Carre were super back in the day with their series of spy books. Graham Greene was another noted purveyor of the genre. Also, William F. Buckley. Those books took place during the Cold War, though, when spies were a popular subject. Now industrial and cyber spying seem to be popular subjects, though we still have the CIA doing its cloak-and-dagger thing vis-a-vis other countries. And vice versa!

I agree. This seems to happen every year at contest time.

How do they get off charging dues?! And what's the point of a local writer's group if you can't announce a writing accomplishment? Ditch that group forthwith.  Jack