1 (edited by Jube 2016-06-13 09:57:47)

Topic: Internet search results

Sol,
I don't know if this topic was covered before, but our novels and pen names are coming up on Google and Yahoo searches. Wouldn't that be a problem?

This is what a moderator from another website says about this issue -

IMPORTANT
Publishers are, 99.9% of the time, looking for previously unpublished work.
Publishers will Google your title, and the first two lines of your piece. They will inevitably find that item on the net.
This will leave you ineligible for publishing, and all your hard work will be wasted.

I ran a few of members in my review group, including myself, as tests and it comes up when worded just right. Here's an example of the profile from Yahoo. Our discussion forum titles (not the content of discussion) in forums also gets picked up. I'm not an IT guy so how does Google and Yahoo pick up information on our WIPs and pen names from inside TNBW?

Profile Page of C J Driftwood -...
www.thenextbigwriter.com/users/c-j-driftwo...
C J Driftwood. Connect. Connect. Profile; Portfolio; Reviews; Book Shelf; Quickees; ... Raven's Curse. Book. Commercial Fiction. Shelves: 1. Only to Group Members and ...

And using a well known member on this site for test purposes, I entered on Yahoo *The Sorceror's Progress Novel NJC* and this comes up on Yahoo -
Profile Page of njc - TheNextBigWriter.com
www.thenextbigwriter.com/users/njc-10491
The Sorcerer's Progress, Book 2: Earth By Fire. Book. Fantasy. Shelves: 1. Only to Group Members and Connections. ... Leave a message for the writer with penname Njc.

Do you see this as a problem or no?

2 (edited by njc 2016-06-13 11:05:53)

Re: Internet search results

This has been covered before, and some people have changed their names on the site to make them harder to find.

Making the story content open to the internet is probably a mistake.  Putting it on a site where reviewers agree to respect the copyright shouldn't be.  Authors have posted here and then had their books published.

That said, publishing companies are offering contracts that are more and more unconscionable.  Here's one essay of many on the topic.

This quick search gets a lot of articles.

Re: Internet search results

Thanks for the information and I suspected it has been brought up by someone at sometime. I looked through the forum posts but didn't spot it in the time I had to search. Our review group and profile settings aren't as far as I know open to the internet. I didn't even see any option on our profile page where you could open it to the internet. I know it's there for publishing content.

Re: Internet search results

Yes, I discussed this at length. The answer I received was basically "hide everything" and that the default would remain "open to public"

Therefore I deleted the thread in question, along with anything else identifying, changed my pen name, changed all my titles, deleted all my forum posts, obfuscated my profile (which cannot be hidden despite the claim that it can), waited about 10 weeks and I see to be mostly free from searches.

Re: Internet search results

It all depends on your aims. If you're looking forward to being published by traditional publishers, then it might a problem. If you're self-publishing, which is a route followed by many in TNBW community, then you don't care about dealbreakers. If you've already self-published anything, those works turn automatically ineligible. However, I've read of self-published ebooks whose rights are afterwards purchased by any of the infamous big 5 who then publish the hard copy. If they smell money, believe me, they're gonna try to buy your rights no matter what.

Prob is, they've lost they nose. There are tonnes of stories about bestsellers that were rejected not once but several times. Harry Potter tops the list, but take Carlos Ruiz Zafón's "The Shadow of the Wind". Back in 2002, he participated in a contest sponsored by a Spanish publishing house and ended second. The first prize was the publication contract awarded to Angeles Caso's "A Long Silence". Zafón was already a YA published writer and "The Shadow of the Wind" was his first novel targeting a more mature audience.

One of the judges recommended to publish Zafon's novel too, not as part of the contests but under a separate negotiation. At first, nobody at the publishing house cared, but finally Zafón's novel was published. Few books were published at first though--something around 1000--and distribution was poor because nobody at the publishing house believe it in, despite Zafon being a published author and despite he ended second. My goodness, it was not like he had ended in the last place! But no, the publishers didn't believe in him.

As of today, "The Shadow of the Wind" is a bestseller that has sold over 10 million copies alone. The author turned it into a three-book series that has sold over 20 million copies. The novel that won the prize was published but it never, ever, represented the success Zafón's novel represented. Why didn't Zafón's story won the first prize? In the end, it got published just by chance.

The link posted by njc takes you to a very interesting article about publishing houses nowadays. I know self-publishing doesn't seem to be the route to becoming a best-selling author, but the big 5 don't seem either. The actual route is writing a best-seller. The readers--as it happened to Harry Potter and The Shadow of the Wind--will, ultimately, be the ones discovering a best seller.

Kiss

Gacela

Re: Internet search results

For every story of a bestseller that was rejected many times first, there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of stories that are never seen because they're about authors who DON'T get their books recognized. Writing a bestseller isn't just about letting "readers decide," Gacela. It can be a wonderful book, but it takes marketing and  luck to get the book noticed and onto a bestsellers list. Games must be played, rules of the trade followed. Do it all, and your chances of success are still minimal if by success you mean selling millions of copies of your books. I've sold thousands of copies of my books, yet I'm still looking for the Cheers bar, "where everybody knows your name." smile

Re: Internet search results

Jack, it you've already sold "thousands" of copies of your books, you can consider yourself a successful author. Don't be so tough with yourself. I'm on the hundreds level and I'm very happy. Of course, I'm far, far away from bestselling. Maybe farther than Star Wars's galaxy, it doesn't prevents me from feeling happy with my limited success.

Art, like any other profession, is complex. For each Leonardo or Michael Angelo, there are millions of painters who barely make a living not to say those who border starvation. Art galleries are a world as crappy and crocked as the Publishing World, and few are the painters who climb the steps of Elysium. However, there are thousand, if not millions, of painters who make a living selling their works in bazaars, some of them true undiscovered masterpieces.

Many lofty painters were not recognised in their times, but centuries after being dead, which further supports that it's the public -- and sometimes time --the one who tags an artworks as a masterpiece.

Kiss,

Gacela-

Re: Internet search results

I never went into this book-writing game to achieve fame and fortune, but once I was into it, and sold some books ... What can I say? smile It's human nature! And then you have publishers breathing down your neck to SELL. But it's been fun, and I've not only enjoyed the relationships I've had here at TNBW, but have cherished the wealth of experiences used to give me input on what I've dreamed up for my stories.

Re: Internet search results

Anyway, I think Gacela and I went far afield from the original thread, so I'll step aside.