MrsPiddles wrote:

Sol, I don't know if you can look on my page where the quickies are, but I got a really weird message. Someone wants to be my close friend and wants me to look at her photos! Can you delete this thing and maybe block the one who did it?

Has anyone else had something like this?

Mrs Piddles

Check this forum thread:  http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/forums/ … elete.html
Tale care. Vern

Edited to add "thread."

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Just dropped in to see if any cuneiform has been presented. I don't see any so I reckon the concretist doesn't know any. Can't say I'm surprised. I'll be back. Take care. Vern

freckles

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To anyone who thinks language and writing are set in concrete, I challenge you to present your next argument in cuneiform and see exactly how many folks understand you. After all, if it's all set in concrete we should have no trouble reading how things were written 5000 years ago. But alas, language and writing has been evolving since the first intelligent grunt and the first cave drawing.

Even if one believed that rules are set in concrete, that still would not preclude them from changing since the hardest concrete still crumbles with use and abuse over time - and a jackhammer works wonders. Words change spelling and meaning over time. Rules adapt over time. There is an exception to every rule and with enough exceptional uses, the exception becomes the norm. But, hey, show me your cuneiform and let's go from there. Take care. Vern

Edited to add this excerpt on knowledge:
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Buckminster Fuller created the “Knowledge Doubling Curve”; he noticed that until 1900 human knowledge doubled approximately every century. By the end of World War II knowledge was doubling every 25 years. Today things are not as simple as different types of knowledge have different rates of growth. For example, nanotechnology knowledge is doubling every two years and clinical knowledge every 18 months. But on average human knowledge is doubling every 13 months.  According to IBM, the build out of  the “internet of things” will lead to the doubling of knowledge every 12 hours.
***

With this vast increase in human knowledge, does anyone think language has remained or will remain static?

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corra wrote:

I guess that would place most agents/editors/publishers in the prescriptive camp and most aspiring authors in the descriptive arena...

Speaking of rules, a question you might be able to answer...

Are you calling me a prescriptivist?!

smile (No idea. Sorry!)

lol, Only in knowledge, not necessarily orientation; I expect you're a bit further down that road than I and more acquainted with their methods.
Actually, you having no idea gives me my answer, I think. Thanks. I'll explain later - out of time, got to run for now. Take care. Vern

"Schlemiel! Schlimazel! Hasenpfeffer Incorporated!"  Well, it's one word when Shirley and Laverne say it, lol. Or, you can just use the first one. Take care. Vern

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corra wrote:

Back to the topic predominating the thread?

I just read this article and thought it was interesting? (For those who haven't heard of prescriptivism/descriptivism, a brief definition follows. But the article I was citing is here.)

"A prescriptive grammar is one that lays down the rules for English language usage, while a descriptive grammar synthesises rules for English usage from the language that people actually use. A prescriptive grammarian believes that certain forms used are correct and that others, even though they may be used by native speakers, are incorrect. Many prescriptivists feel that modern linguistics, which tends to place emphasis on actual rather than perceived language usage, is responsible for a decline in the standard of language... Descriptivists look at the way people speak and then try to create rules that account for the language usage, accepting alternative forms that are used regionally and also being open to forms used in speech that traditional grammars would describe as errors."

(source)

I guess that would place most agents/editors/publishers in the prescriptive camp and most aspiring authors in the descriptive arena. I would probably fall somewhere on the road to the descriptive side with the drawbridge leading forward in the upright position, lol.

Speaking of rules, a question you might be able to answer: What exactly are "interrelated clauses?" More precisely, I know they are "related" in some fashion, but would both have to be independent if two are joined with punctuation other than a period? I have a specific reason for asking and hopefully you can clarify it for me. Thanks. Take care. Vern

PS: Edited to add more detail to question.

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Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:
vern wrote:
Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

Here are mine. A former student designs all my covers.

http://amzn.to/1ld8grm
http://amzn.to/1iWuYmP
http://goo.gl/6YTwyz
http://goo.gl/1eLv66

Pretty cool and eye-catching. (S)he must've had a good teacher. Not crazy about the wine glass depiction for Broken - it's not - but the art itself is still good. Take care. Vern

The wine glass is broken off the stem. The stem itself is on the spine with the unbroken wine glass in shadow on the back.
Read the first chapter and you'll see why the broken wine glass with the bullet and the red substance (wine or blood or a combination thereof) fits. Someone didn't get the blue eye on Lucky Thirteen. But blue eyes run throughout the story. And the covers do speak to the content of the story.

Christopher Chambers can be reached at cchambers@juroddesigns.com if anyone is interested in his work. Tell him I sent you. smile

I'm not saying a "broken" glass doesn't fit the story, just that the glass depicted isn't broken as seen and to me personally, it would fit even better with the title if it were actually broken where the observer could see it. Just an observation and personal view on my part and I may well be the only one who would see it that way on a store shelf. Good artwork regardless. Take care. Vern

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Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

Here are mine. A former student designs all my covers.

http://amzn.to/1ld8grm
http://amzn.to/1iWuYmP
http://goo.gl/6YTwyz
http://goo.gl/1eLv66

Pretty cool and eye-catching. (S)he must've had a good teacher. Not crazy about the wine glass depiction for Broken - it's not - but the art itself is still good. Take care. Vern

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Dill Carver wrote:

   

And the first ever that didn't got a trademark 'Take Care...'  smile

lol, yeah, that was by design. Actually have omitted it on very rare occasions before - though I don't think on this new site - to enhance the image presented. Take care. Vern

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Dill Carver wrote:

BTW, Janet

Never underestimate the packaging!

That's huuuge.

00: Women and then 007

Martian: Women

Of course that would probably be my response to almost any word you put up, lol. Well, they're beautiful on any planet, anywhere, any day, any color, in any language, etc. Take care. Vern

Linda Lee wrote:

I Wonder if anyone clicked the link for those important photos.... smile

This is all there was:

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/shit/guy-pooping.gif

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You did especially well on the T-Rex bait; draws you in immediately. Take care. Vern

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Dill Carver wrote:
corra wrote:

But the cup is hot?

Why? Does it depict Lady GaGa wearing nothing but a staple through her midriff?


So, on Mars and in Georgia you'd always say;

'A chilled glass of wine,' rather than 'a glass of chilled wine?'

and

'A cold can of beer,' rather than 'a can of cold beer?'

and

'A hot plate of food,' rather than 'a plate of hot food?'

and

'A full room of people,' rather than 'a room full of people?'

and

'A steeple with a church',  rather than 'A church with a steeple.'

and

a 'knocker on a door' rather than a 'doorknocker?'



Are you a cart horse or a horse and cart type? '

In my opinion, it is that degree of confusion which has led to you people eating nothing but this https://letsblogaboutamerica.files.word … oodusa.jpg

I wouldn't say any of those things, but I might say:
A bottle of wine from the cooler and two glasses, please
An ice cold beer
A hot bowl of soup or a cold watermelon or just, Food, I'm hungry
A crowded room or the room is too crowded
The church puts on a good steeple chase
A door-bell or the door has/had an antique knocker

Take care. Vern

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Dill Carver wrote:
vern wrote:

I think it's a natural law or something right up there with gravity.

"Up there with gravity?" Newton would have a baby. I think we got us a case of oxymora breaking out! smile

Oh yeah, I'm quite sure. At least they both start with a nice guttural sound, lol. Take care. Vern

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Dill Carver wrote:
vern wrote:

I "got" a different opinion...

LOL! Are we going to 'get' quotation marks, apostrophes, bold or italic wherever we 'get' "got" from now on? smile

Ditto the lol. Yeah, we probably will; at least till another subject comes along to dim the memory. I think it's a natural law or something right up there with gravity. Take care. Vern

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corra wrote:

It's epistolary: the protagonist begins the novel writing as he would speak. He has no idea anyone's actually going to read the logs.

I "got" a different opinion in that he does seem to at least hope that someone will read it. It will/should be discovered when the next mission returns to Mars regardless of whether he is still alive or not. He takes great care to tell those who left him it was not their fault and he also speaks of trying to make it understandable by any laymen who might end up reading it.

He also is a botanist as well as a mechanical engineer so obviously well educated. So would he really speak this way? Perhaps he would as I do know fairly well educated folks who tend not to show such through their normal speech. However, he is writing this with the stated hope and possibility that it will indeed be read; otherwise his time could be much better spent on the things he is actually writing about doing in order to survive.

Regardless of his speech pattern, that is not what makes it a difficult sale in my view. I think the logs could well be incorporated by spreading them out rather than all at once in order to bring more action/drama/hook at the beginning. For instance, the story of how he was actually stranded could be told through normal narrative as well as inner thought to better effect imho. He could even bring in dialogue from his last communications with the others as well as futile attempts once he was cut off. That could increase the tension  and show some small character traits of the others while trying to rescue or decide to abandon him.

At any rate, it is hard to argue with success and my hat is off to anyone who pulls it off, especially if it was indeed initially self-published. I shall have to read further based upon your report of later chapters. Take care. Vern

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corra wrote:
vern wrote:

I've seen some ads for the movie which might be better than crawling through the book in this case.

My lit student heart just skipped a beat. Did you actually suggest watching the movie first? wink tongue

LOL, yeah, after reading those first few pages. Don't hit me, don't hit me. Take care. Vern

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Dill Carver wrote:
vern wrote:

...it does make me wonder about the "junk" status of anything being merely in the eye of the beholder. Just curious about other opinions on this particular book or one which may have had the same "junk" status for you, yet did quite well in the market. Take care. Vern

Hi Vern

we were discussing similar in an adjacent group forum/thread;

In this case it is the current bestseller, (and now a major movie) ‘The Martian’

You can read the opening in the Amazon ‘Look Inside’ feature.

http://www.amazon.com/Martian-Andy-Weir … he+martian

If you read the opening three or four pages and perform a tNBW-type review upon it, I think you’ll find the writing could be considered poor or defective within several aspects.

Yet there it is; passed the agents, editors and publishers....

It’s most certainly not for me, yet people love it. It has gone to the top of the charts and the movie is massive too.

There must be a good story in there under the ‘junk’ prose.

Hello, Dill, I checked it out and yeah, it would probably get quite a few comments and questions on site. The storyline does sound intriguing, it's just the "monologue" and nothing happening detail starting out. I've seen some ads for the movie which might be better than crawling through the book in this case. I might have to check it out and see. Thanks for pointing it out. Take care. Vern

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So, let me throw something else into the mix here. Some writing has been called junk and supposedly "junk" can't possibly sell. My contention is that although the junk referenced by someone earlier was never intended to sell or even be read by anyone other than those participating in this thread, there are some books which some folks would consider "junk" which have done very well. My choice for a best seller piece of junk would be A Million Little Pieces by James Frey.

Admittedly my choice for junk received a tremendous boost from Oprah Winfrey who obviously didn't consider it junk and thus recommended it on her show sending sales through the roof. Of course, she later called out the author for fabricating the story which was supposedly a memoir, but what difference does that make as far as the writing being "junk" or not. It seems to me that the saying, "One person's junk is another's treasure" can surely apply to books as well as garage sale items, etc.

It's been a while since I read it and only finished it because I figured it had to get better at some point due to all the hype it received. Well, no, it didn't in my opinion. I recall it being rather unorthodox in the way it was presented also with weird capitalization, para breaks, and even one single word on a page, four letter word beginning with F and ending in K with a U and C in the middle (I could be remembering wrong of course). None of the strange style bothered me (just the story overall imo) but it does make me wonder about the "junk" status of anything being merely in the eye of the beholder. Just curious about other opinions on this particular book or one which may have had the same "junk" status for you, yet did quite well in the market. Take care. Vern

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Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

Thought this thread was closed due to the uncivilized turn it took.

Well, it was closed. Who knows what is going on? The Shadow knows. Take care. Vern

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

Ordinarily does not have to mean without exceptions; in fact, it rarely means that. It means: it can have other uses, such as separating lists.



So far, I had never referred to you at all.  I was sticking to the subject. Your punctuation is always wrong for any purpose.



Again, no reference to you, or anyone at all.



 

I was not addressing you, nor did I think you were even paying attention. That sentence was junk.

ordinarily = commonly = usual use (of the three possible] of the semicolon, and your use is not one of them and is always wrong



You offered nothing of any substance in reply.



The punctuation rules for the semicolon are rules are set in concrete.

LOL You now add selective reading to your "politeness" and obstinance and other fine qualities.  Duh, you list me by name in at least one statement above and elsewhere and refer directly to my writing in others. From this point on, anything you say on the subject at hand will be considered as a joke. Thanks for the past and future laughs. You are now officially the funniest stump I've ever talked to. LOL Take care. Vern

Sure, I "listed" your name in connection to a sentence written by you that is junk. I have more than once, even from friendly reviewers, been told that what I have authored won't sell. What's the difference? Absolutely, your punctuation-doesn't-matter junk won't sell. You can't have it both ways. Either you take the entire subject as a joke and walk away from it, or you engage with someone who does not think it is joke (in reality) with more than shallow or completely absent reasoning and ad-hom invective while disingenuously claiming that any calling of your poorly punctuated junk for what it is in any way a personal attack.

LOL Ahh, good one. ROTFLMAO. Take care. Vern

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Simon and Garfunkel -- cool. Take care. Vern