Congrats; it makes a good reflection. Take care. Vern
1,027 2016-01-10 15:00:30
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Rodin
1,028 2016-01-09 03:10:49
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stirrups
1,029 2016-01-08 23:48:45
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poll
1,030 2016-01-08 23:42:05
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decanter
1,031 2016-01-08 02:46:59
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Nude Einstein
1,032 2016-01-07 00:00:39
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LOL
1,033 2016-01-06 23:43:16
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Cornflakes
1,034 2016-01-06 13:17:52
Re: Group access vs. display vs. visible? (48 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
ps - don't fear the smiley face-thingy Vern, very handy to let other people know you're trying to make a joke! The internet and written word and all.
Sorry, I don't use smiley faces; I'm old school and reckon the lol doesn't mean anything anymore. I'll try to resist the humor in any future conversation with you since the written tongue in cheek doesn't come across. Take care. Vern
1,035 2016-01-06 03:10:54
Re: Group access vs. display vs. visible? (48 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
vern wrote:janet reid wrote:it's just a shame I can join 10 groups at most.
How in the helloworld do you keep up with 10 or more groups. My wife used to play two or three dozen bingo cards and I never figured out how she kept up with those either, lol. Take care. Vern
This was in reply to a suggestion that every writer or every book just open a private group, so I'd keep up the same way I currently keep up with 10+ threads (currently conveniently in a single forum, albeit open for the whole world to read without a password, because *insert any reason why we shouldn't even try*. I'll hardly break a sweat. I appreciate you heartfelt concern though, Vern.
To clarify: If we now have a group for every book, 10 groups are very quickly going to be insufficient. I can't be the only person who reads/follow more than 10 writers on this site. Now add say groups like Romance, Writing Tips, and the Premium group ... sorry, make that 7 books/writers ...
But basically what I'm trying to say is: for every so-called 'clever' solution/suggestion, there are problems associated with it that makes it harder to do what the purpose of this site is supposed to be about.
Seems like you need a reminder, here it is:
TheNextBigWriter, launched in 2005, combines a dynamic community of thousands of writers with cutting-edge tools, contests, classes, and communication to help members achieve their writing goals. By joining the site, you can:
- Receive Feedback. Post your writing and receive detailed feedback from other workshop members.
- Discover and Learn from Others. Discover, read, and critique the in-progress writing of other members. Help them and learn from the process. Leaving feedback isn't hard and we'll help you.
- Connect with Other Writers. Meet and connect with other writers to share information, tips, and make friends. Some have even found love amidst reading and reviewing.
- Get Motivated. Enter contests and challenges like the Apple Drabble Short Story Contest to keep you motivated to write and edit.
- Keep Control. Posting on the site keeps your writing within our password environment. You can restrict it further or open it up to the entire Internet for more exposure if you choose.
I congratulate you on your multitasking abilities, but you've obviously taken my post in the wrong vein; I don't care if anyone has a thousand groups, merely wondered how you could keep up with them, but then I wondered that about my wife's bingo cards and she did just fine. All in good humor I thought, but I accept that it wasn't taken as such - my bad. So, no, I don't need a reminder as to what the site is all about, but thanks anyway. Take care. Vern
1,036 2016-01-06 01:40:47
Re: Group access vs. display vs. visible? (48 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
it's just a shame I can join 10 groups at most.
How in the helloworld do you keep up with 10 or more groups. My wife used to play two or three dozen bingo cards and I never figured out how she kept up with those either, lol. Take care. Vern
1,037 2016-01-05 13:37:20
Re: Group access vs. display vs. visible? (48 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Vern, when you go to sue someone for acting against you, there are defenses that amount to "He left the gate open and didn't even put up a sign." (See Adverse Possession in real property law.)
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If Adverse Possession is your only concern, then it takes 20 years (in NC at least, other states may be different) of open defiance and claim on the property. So not exactly a major concern or the same thing. As soon as your work is posted here, it is copyrighted, not exactly leaving the door open for anyone. All the concern about stealing plots etc. just doesn't make a lot of sense; it is widely accepted there are only seven plots (yes some make minor adjustments for a few more or less, but it's close enough) so I rather doubt anyone has a new one to hide. It is all in the details and it's rather unlikely someone is going to stick around for let's say a year or so for us to complete our books so they can exploit excerpts of it from the forums and if that unlikely possibility happens, then it is still copyrighted from it's first written exposure, to include the forums.
As stated previously, how is anyone going to find your work in the forums if they don't know what to look for which requires someone like the author or someone who has read it to tell them what to look for? It takes a specific search to find something and that specificity is coming from inside, not outside the site. We're probably all (including me) concerned about protecting our work, but the reality is that the danger is vastly overblown by our self imposed fears. I for one know there is always some miniscule chance it could be pirated, but I'm not going to stew over it any more than I would about getting struck by lightning which is a much greater possibility imo. Take care. Vern
1,038 2016-01-05 03:47:17
Re: Group access vs. display vs. visible? (48 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
So, what I'm hearing is that folks accept that people can join the site for practically nothing and have access to everything and that's okay because they have to know it's here to steal it. Well, obviously they would have to know it exists to do a Google search on it also, so what am I missing here? If someone can Google your work, then someone has to tell them what to Google. If they find your work with name and title, etc, someone has to provide it to them as I doubt seriously they just type in random words like monkeys to gain access. I've Googled some of my work using my pen name and a title and or short quotes from a work and it hasn't brought me to this sight unless I was already signed in to it.
And quite frankly I find it difficult to find past things in the forums when I can do a search on site without very specific information to plug in. It would be a whole lot easier and quicker to gain access to everything if one simply paid a pittance to gain access to all the postings rather than having to Google individual works to find it in a forum. Again that is assuming someone has not already provided all the information needed to do a quick search and in that case it is a person providing the info, not the site imho.
And yes, the ones who join the site have arguably signed on to honor copyrights, but since when did that stop someone intent on stealing it? My position is that the risks are no greater on site than passing work around among friends and acquaintances to get their feedback and leaving hard paper trails or emails scattered to who knows where. And at least on site you have timed concrete proof it belongs to you should someone get their hands on it and turn it into a blockbuster. Let's face it, it is unlikely our work will be stolen for a few bucks here and there; a job at Wal-Mart would probably be more efficient. To paraphrase, "Our biggest fear is fear itself." Take care. Vern
1,039 2016-01-05 00:39:19
Re: Group access vs. display vs. visible? (48 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
A number of the counterarguments essentially boil down to "we don't think privacy is useful so you shouldn't either".
No one is saying privacy isn't useful or wanted, only that you are not going to have it completely on the internet. If governments and large corporations can't keep prying eyes out, how exactly do propose doing it on this site? That has nothing to do with the concept of wanting privacy and everything to do with wishful thinking. Take care. Vern
1,040 2016-01-05 00:26:47
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Roadrunner:
Edited for new link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w8DRytdrng
1,041 2016-01-05 00:20:42
Re: Group access vs. display vs. visible? (48 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Let's get realistic; nothing is safe on the internet, period. Just being a premium member and posting to only groups/connections does not protect your work. For less than ten bucks, anyone can join for a month and have access to all posted work of premium or basic members and it's doubtful even the private groups would turn down a potential new member should they ask to join. Ten bucks is not going to really thwart anyone so inclined; it's probably cheaper and faster than hacking the old fashioned way.
As Linda pointed out, the automatic copyright on site protects your work as well as anything and can be used in court to defend it and go after anyone who profits from it. Of course using a pen name is a no brainer should your work become famous and someone starts to Google your name to find non-public info. If I Google my real name, none of my writing shows up since I don't use it, at least in the first million or so entries and should someone want to put that much effort into finding it, then there is probably nothing which can prevent it, and certainly no constraints on this or any other writing site.
Common sense is our best defense, but yeah, I wouldn't mind paying the lawyers after the fact that someone else has made millions from my work when so far I haven't been able to get a traditional publisher or movie mogul interested as the original author. If someone else can knock down the doors, then all they need do is come to me and I'll gladly offer an agent's commission for their efforts.
So, yeah, we can worry ourselves sick over the possibility of our work being hijacked or we can accept that absolutely nothing is safe from prying eyes on the internet and deal with any future stolen property rights with the courts on our side should it come to that. Just my opinion which has been stated in similar forums before this one. Take care. Vern
1,042 2016-01-04 15:11:26
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Don Quixote
1,043 2016-01-03 16:27:54
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Jimmy Durante
1,044 2016-01-03 04:14:41
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pasta-free
1,045 2016-01-02 19:03:56
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Congrats to all. Take care. Vern
1,046 2015-12-30 15:31:57
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Drool
1,047 2015-12-30 05:09:12
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Televangelist lol
1,048 2015-12-30 00:51:07
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Televangelist
1,049 2015-12-28 20:27:24
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Double-helix
1,050 2015-12-28 14:23:04
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Cemetery