I'm pretty sure that before the sentence in question comes up in a reasonable situation, the message has been discussed between the parties so there should really be no need to muddy the waters with their names and occupations and the accompanying comma confusion.
My take: "They considered the message a prank so ignored it."
Take care. Vern
676 2017-03-21 12:22:03
Re: Grammar assistance (10 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
677 2017-03-09 13:13:26
Re: Odd delays (17 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I'm pretty sure if everyone stopped using the internet entirely for say about a month and then explained in the surveys which would ensue to find out why, that we would no longer put up with the crap produced, the powers-that-be would come up with a quality solution. But I'm not holding my breath on either count. Take care. Vern
678 2017-03-01 13:18:26
Re: New Writing Contest (107 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Ouch! I made a last-minute entry (at about 23:35) and realized I'd omitted something, so I edited the version out there. The edit was completed at about 23:53. Does the contest get the edit or not?
As long as any edit is in before midnight (the deadline) it should and always has been good to go. You can still edit after the deadline, but the judges won't (should not) see those changes. That's how it has been and I assume will continue to be until/unless we are notified otherwise. Take care. Vern
679 2017-02-28 23:37:53
Re: "Caught In a Merry Chase" published. (7 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Congrats! Take care. Vern
680 2017-02-27 22:46:12
Re: New Writing Contest (107 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
vern wrote:Really? 4 days and still only 4 entries. I'm liking those odds, but geez folks/writers, you ask for contests and then sit on the sideline. Oh well. Take care. Vern
Comment from the side-lines. (Warning; subjective opinion is expressed).
We do ask for competitions, and as you know, I’m always usually up for them. The occasional competitions are possibly the only factor that persuade me to continue my subscription here nowadays. However, this particular competition is not for me. It has strict, specific genre and plot requirements. I’m not knocking that; the few people that asked for such exacting story requirements and criteria are obviously up for it and are happily knocking one out.
However, I don’t think the few who asked for it should ask why ‘others’ are sitting on the side-lines.
I did actually give this competition a go; ideas formed and I even put pen to paper. The classic ‘locked room’ mystery has two main elements the ‘whodunnit’ and the ‘howdunnit’.
IMO the howdunnit without the whys and wherefores of the whodunnit is a half inflated balloon.
The ‘whodunit’ requires a lot of preparation with characterization, character back-story, actions and foreshadowing. The misdirection, the red-herring, the subterfuge and stratagem. The revealing of the perpetrator should be un-obvious and a shock, yet with hindsight the evidence is hidden but readable when carefully back-tracked.
I found (quite quickly) that I couldn’t condense my story into 15,000, let alone 5,000. Deliberately writing something that I, the author am not happy with, is a big compromise, is a non-starter. Time and creative effort are better spent elsewhere.
Fair-play to those who asked for the competition criteria and who entered. It is your competition and you are entitled to enjoy it.
From the side-lines, I’ve had a look at the entries (doesn’t take long) and as much as imaginary worlds populated by biologically diverse intelligent alien lifeforms, talking dragons, naked gnomes and such is so not my thing (or within my comfort zone), I found that the entries all came across as a rushed ‘howdunnit’ with little or no developed ‘whodunnit’ element. A non-descript perp of convenience is hurried-in as the curtain closes.
Personally, I like the traditional more 'general' kind of competition that might ask for (with a finger in the air), maybe a ‘Winter based murder mystery’ within 5,000 words. Or a Summer based story that involves treachery between siblings or blood relations… or something very broadly of that nature. It is non-restrictive allowing all genres, styles and preferences to enter; from off-world fantasy to real-world factual. Heaven forbid, but it would also include poets. Writers would pile into a competition like that. It would guarantee some really good entries too.
In the meantime, I’m on the bench with the people on the side-lines happily letting this particular competition pass by unacknowledged and thinking, “hey-ho; no matter, maybe next time.”
I certainly respect your opinion and obviously would expect no one to enter any contest in which they weren't comfortable. I would add that my statement referred to people asking for "contests" in general not this specific one -- not sure anyone asked for this specific scenario in all it's detail. Although the number to enter this contest is extremely low, it appears to me that most contests in general these days receive less entries than in times past. Although several have stated the strict requirements as a reason for not entering, I'm not sure that small relative number is more a factor than the seemingly diminishing participation overall. Other contests such as drabbles about time travel would seem just as restrictive but received many more entries. Just my observation. Take care. Vern
681 2017-02-27 22:05:16
Re: New Writing Contest (107 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Got a headache just trying to plot this one out in my head, so kudos to the brave and creative souls who entered. On a positive note, there's been some exceptional world-building and creativity in the small group of entries, especially when it comes to the identity of the required "deaf, mute, or blind" main character.
Just for the record, the contest lists "dumb" as an option which adds a different dimension than the PC "mute". Take care. Vern
682 2017-02-25 00:00:47
Re: New Writing Contest (107 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Really? 4 days and still only 4 entries. I'm liking those odds, but geez folks/writers, you ask for contests and then sit on the sideline. Oh well. Take care. Vern
683 2017-02-23 12:58:43
Re: Contest Prizes (3 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
You use to be able to buy points from others; don't know if that's still true since haven't checked lately. At any rate the winner might have the option for cash or points. Many have more points than they'll ever use, so keeping the cash option is good. I'll take the cash, lol. Take care. Vern
PS: Just getting more points for reviewing doesn't really work. There are numerous works which would give way more points than others with far more reviews. Even the extra points for the first three reviews doesn't generate three reviews for everything. Just saying.
684 2017-02-05 18:50:29
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I yams what I yams.
685 2017-02-04 13:13:53
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Ate three, Popeye
686 2017-02-01 00:30:42
Re: Two writing tips I've unlearned since joining TNBW. (14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Good advice all around, Corra. But why did I never see your novel? I've read pretty much everything you've written in the forums or contests with great admiration - even when whopping me uspside the head, lol -- but don't recall ever seeing a novel. My loss, I'm sure. Damned eyes. Take care. Vern
687 2017-02-01 00:13:44
Re: Is this show or tell? (12 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
To me, everything is "telling" as in you're telling the story, not showing it on a movie screen. However, there are ways to "tell" the story which might be a more descriptive "showing" of what is happening rather than just listing actions in a sequence. For instance instead of "telling" us they received fire from three sides, perhaps make specific references to soldiers eating the dust and breathing the smoke from mortar fire on the East side, dropping like houseflies being swatted with sniper fire from the west, and rolled over by tanks and heavy artillery advancing from the south -- or such. I'm not saying in those exact words just coming off the cuff, but make it specific examples of how they are being pummeled from three sides. The same type alternative descriptions could be used for basically every sequence of events portrayed. However, if you're simply wanting to relay information in a hurry as though coming from someone actually within the battle on a radio perhaps, then what is presented would be the way to go. So, it depends upon the context and how you wish to portray the material. Either way, you are still "telling" us, only in more dramatic ways depending upon the exact picture you paint in our minds. The more generalized info you use paints a black and white sketch while more specific actions paints a more elaborate colorized picture which might be considered "showing" for those who believe there is such a thing from a storyteller as opposed to a story-shower. Just my opinion. Take care. Vern
688 2017-01-31 13:14:11
Re: Sending messages to self? (4 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Hmm, could you reply to self that you got the message but didn't understand it? Take care. Vern
689 2017-01-29 16:03:01
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
specific decadence
690 2017-01-29 00:39:01
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
universal ancestor
691 2017-01-28 13:00:50
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Noah's folly
692 2017-01-28 02:48:01
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Grand Teton Park
693 2017-01-28 00:12:40
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
tank top
694 2017-01-27 03:36:59
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
vern wrote:C J Driftwood wrote:seriously, vern?
Not so much
foot in mouth
subtle censorship?
695 2017-01-25 00:30:39
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
vern wrote:orifice kotex
seriously, vern?
Not so much
696 2017-01-23 22:12:29
Re: New Writing Contest (107 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
The number of published stories with deaf, mute, or blind investigators is small. It's been done, but it's rare. Of course, the victim or perp could have the handicap ... or a witness.
Perhaps "mute" would make it more PC, but "dumb" (as stated for the contest) gives it a different dimension derived from the original stereotype.
Sol, I don't think changing the criteria at this stage is necessary -- we are an imaginative bunch -- and possibly could be unfair to any who may have already written or started a story which includes all the parameters. Take care. Vern
697 2017-01-23 22:03:14
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
orifice kotex
698 2017-01-23 22:01:57
Re: Shadow Plotting and 3rd Person for Secondary Characters. (12 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I would suggest that if the character is there all along but doesn't become significant until near the end, then you might bring her into the story through some foreshadowing or even brief appearances if warranted by the occasion, but if she doesn't really do anything or is not part of any scene per se until her late arrival, then that would be the place to introduce her. Develop no character before her time so to speak. Just my opinion. Take care. Vern
699 2017-01-15 00:20:14
Re: In honor of Friday the 13th and a full moon (5 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Pretty cool, Janet. One question: why start the story with "31"?
~Tom
I think she tells you in the story: "Thirteen reversed is thirty-one. I’m thirty-one. Should I be concerned?”
Take care. Vern
700 2017-01-13 03:12:22
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
in de right