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(16 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
njc wrote:

The same thing can happpen with character points.  The best thing is to make the point in question serve some immediate purpose, whether description or character.  Or humor: John Dickson Carr wrote two farces about murder, one with Dr. Gideon Fell--=The Blind Barber=-- and one with Sir Henry Merrivale--=The Punch and Judy Murders=.  (I had to look it up just now.)  A  lot of the HM stories have elements of farce, but this one runs from end to end.

They're both great stories.

Monty Python - Agatha Christie Sketch (Railway Timetables)

https://youtu.be/YuUb9lUWEDU

"How can anyone shoot himself and then hide the gun without first cancelling his reservation?"

Charles:  This is as hilarious as only Monty Python can do it.

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njc wrote:

The same thing can happpen with character points.  The best thing is to make the point in question serve some immediate purpose, whether description or character.  Or humor: John Dickson Carr wrote two farces about murder, one with Dr. Gideon Fell--=The Blind Barber=-- and one with Sir Henry Merrivale--=The Punch and Judy Murders=.  (I had to look it up just now.)  A  lot of the HM stories have elements of farce, but this one runs from end to end.

They're both great stories.

njc:  After you mentioned that the clue should be made to look like it serves some immediate purpose, I went back through my MS, and, to my delight, I did just that.  And only one reviewer has spotted it and she thought it was just annoyingly thick detail.  Character points are a great way to hide things.  That is actually how Asimov did in in The Caves of Steel, and that is how I attempt to do it in the novel in question.

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Cobbler: I'm thinking of clues. Like a piece of glass put in a description of a scene, and later you find the murderer wears glasses. It's feedback if your beta readers don't notice how odd it was that there is glass there, or conversely, think you should take it out as being too much detail, not realizing there might be a covert reason for it being there.

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Sometimes, like in a mystery, you want the clues to be present, but not obvious.  So one very useful kind of feedback is when a reviewer doesn't catch them, or may even think that they should be taken out as unnecessary description.  How many of you have been delighted when a reviewer's feedback indicates you've been successful at this?

Sometimes, like in a mystery, you want the clues to be present, but not obvious.  So one very useful kind of feedback is when a reviewer doesn't catch them, or may even think that they should be taken out as unnecessary description.  How many of you have been delighted when a reviewer's feedback indicates you've been successful at this?

Sometimes, like in a mystery, you want the clues to be present, but not obvious.  So one very useful kind of feedback is when a reviewer doesn't catch them, or may even think that they should be taken out as unnecessary description.  How many of you have been delighted when a reviewer's feedback indicates you've been successful at this?

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In my case, it just said it had expired yesterday and hadn't been renewed.  Glad it's fixed.  You're the man, Sol.

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Hilarious!  And of course you could make it into a novel.  If you don't, I will.  lol

MAP OF NEW FAIRY

A new, improved version is now available.  I put it on my white board, and it is much better.  My handwriting still sucks, but as you read the story, you should be able to figure out what the scrawls mean.  I is amazing how clarifying map drawing is.  I noticed that there was no bridge between New Fairy and New Gwynnedd (much later in the story than I've posted.)  Rhiannon's sister and brother-in-law visit her from that kingdom. I suppose they could have taken a boat.  lol  Just let me know if you want one of these.  I'll email a picture to you.

There is no picture of New Dyved, the next kingdom over to the south.  It's a coastal kingdom, it's capital city is on the Severn, which is a river/Great Lake.  The mountain range that is on the New Fairy map continues, and it has what used to be lush farmlands to its south, as well as provincial capitals.  But just knowing that is a big aid in visualization, for those of you reading that story.

Love, Rhia

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I got it.  I was sure you'd fix it Sol.  But what's with the dead chickens?  (J/K)

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John:  You don't need a complicated or intricate or convoluted plot.  A simple beginning, middle, end will do, with lots of conflicts along the way. As my Great Aunt Maude would say, to reach your destination, it helps to know where you're going.

Oh, and it's not 'either-or.'  You can have great prose and still read the road map.

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I don't think he needs a highly structured plot.  I mean, technically, James Joyce lacked one too, although he did have a structure:  Portrait of the Artist would be 'man in a hole.'  And of course, Joyce is notorious for skipping be beginning and ending, although, again, in Portrait, he starts at the natural beginning--Stephen's birth.  Ends in the middle; later continues in the middle.  But he does need to move along in space and time to finish his story.  But he'd make a terrific poet, and could, ala Satyricon, simply say he lost the beginning and end.

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This is to discuss John Hamler's Ummmm.

John has a style in the tradition of Pynchon and  Burroughs (William, not Edgar Rice), although uniquely his own.  He needs help in plotting, but not in style, which is brilliant, if insane, and in actually finishing a project, although I'm sure he would appreciate any and all reviews.   Rhiannon.

njc wrote:

"You have left 1 in-line comments" .  The plural is suitable for zero and two and three, and all the rest--except one.

Yeah, HTML doesn't make this easy.  I don't recall enough now to see whether there's a slick little way with Javascript, or whether it becomes a SMOP (Small Matter of Programming) (synonym: BMJ--Big Messy Job).  Maybe playing some particularly backhanded CSS games?  (I feel dirty already.)

Don't forget that the site always uses 'he' for the general pronoun.  That's annoying too.

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Welcome aboard, Mrs. Piddles.  Michael Moorcock, who made his living writing potboilers (what we'd call "best sellers" today), suggests looking around, and getting inspired by ordinary objects.  A mirror becomes a soul stealer.  You're following his advice perfectly, with your friend's pearl.

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John:  Interesting that you suggest a series of short stories or novel centering around the main character.  That was the original format of the Rhiannon stories: with stories written from Rosalyn's point of view, Rhiannon's, and even some "omniscient" POV's.  Maybe, the next stage in evolution will be just that.  The ones I'm writing now were originally meant to get me back in gear, a "re-boot," taking as many readers, old and new, with me as possible.

Cheers.

Rhia

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Hi Iris:  Welcome.  This is by far the best writing-forum/group I've seen on the web.  There are others that claim their fair share of successful writers, but we have our fair share, and success is up to the writer, imo.  (But hey, I belong in the 19th century; what can I say? I believe a guy without a college degree can go around and ask people if they would be willing to give him money so he can come up with his software ideas, and, twenty years later, become the richest man on the planet.  Obviously absurd.  Bill Gates is an urban legend.)

Family?  Once upon a time, we fought like one, but the people here all are professional writers, aspire to be professional writers, or have professional writing thrust upon them.  And they will be very helpful.

Mariana Reuter wrote:

Oh, my! 100000 apologies. The email is MarianaReuter@live.com.mx. No wonder why I couldn't find it. Duh!

Oh, oh.  I didn't get any daimons, and my email said it was sent.  Somebody out there is going to think that New Fairy is part of Nigeria now...

I'll wait on re-sending it.  I got a brilliant idea yesterday.  I have a huge white board and I am thinking of putting a more accurate version on it and photographing it.  I'll still use the pencil-version for my own notes.

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John:  You always preface your insights with, "I'm drunk right now and don't know what I'm talking about."  In vino veritas.  All the points you make are worth considering.  The only thing that shocked me was--you have a lady love????  (J/K) 

Hugs, Rhia.

PS:  I really resonated with the advice:  write what you want to read.  Why I got into writing:  couldn't relate to all the stuff out there.  That's advice right up there with Edgar Rice Burrough's self-talk:  "Hell, I can write as bad as that [referring to all the best sellers at his time]."

Mariana Reuter wrote:

That might be better than creating the Flicrk account! Please send the map to MarianaReuter@hotmail.com. No secret about this email. Is my public author email available in my webpage.

Kiss,

Gacela.

It's sent.  And that is the easiest way for everyone, so you all just request it, you hear?  Or you can wait until publication. lol

Rhia

MAP OF NEW FAIRY:  JUST EMAIL ME IF YOU WANT IT.

It would probably be best for you all to just send me a message with your email address to find the Map of New Fairy.  That way you don't have to do anything complicated.  You'd have to join Yahoo, set up your Flickr account, then scroll throw the 2000+ photos I've put there to find it.  I may also post it on FB, in my copious spare time.  lol

Gaciela, per your suggestion, I'm re-posting my quickee to you here:

"I enjoyed your review today, Gacela. I tightened up some things, and made the chapter not just advance the plot, as they are one step closer to a crisis point, but in one of the sub-plots: can Heather really be trusted. A couple of simple adds, and it worked. Wouldn't have done it, had you not asked your questions. Now, your questions show that the distractors in the chapter work. Might not have been intended by you, but it was extremely helpful. No points for it, but you might want to read the edited version just to see what your remarks led to. Hugs."

I'm glad that Rhiannon's status as unreliable narrator is evident from Chapter 1. It invites the reader to dig further to see what's really going on.  Some of it is surprising, and there are a lot of distractors throughout the novel.  Of course, mentioning that helps clue people in, so I want all of you to forget I said anything. 

The map isn't to any scale, and there is more farmland than it might look at first glance, but it does give the reader an idea of what's going on in the story, where it all takes place, and maybe even answers some questions.

Hugs to all,

Rhia

corra:  Appreciate your thoughts.  Conventions are tropes or memes that are heuristics only.  I don't put much stock in them.  Maybe if I find a muscular, handsome throbbing FBI agent, or a billionaire who will marry the detective that first suspects, then exonerates him from a murder charge, and she gets to stay a detective when she marries him, rather than become  his escort and factotum for his charities, I will change my mind.  You see the level I'm thinking of, not Herman Melville, or Jane Austin, but Lisa Jackson or Nora Roberts.  People do bug me to be deeper in my writing (both at home and here on the site), so maybe I should re-read my Melville.  lol  I was just curious as to whether this "trend" meant anything--as I can go in many directions in my writing:  romance, adventure, or mystery.  And yes, I know, I should do my thing.  These are all my things.

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Thanks Sheriff.  Interesting speculation.  Maybe men think they're on more familiar ground with the love story--after all, it is about finding the love of your life, screwing it up, and having the whole thing interfere with your career.  At one level, anyway.  The structure of the adventure one is subtle, as well as (your words) open.  There's a quest involved, but not your usual one for a magical arc or something.

Thanks, guys, for your comments.  njc, indeed, any pattern in any response is an opportunity.  And Dill, when these move to publications, I'll include a warning for transgendered people.  Worded right, it might make for a huge draw.  Vern, it occurred to me that it is a statistical quirk, but that became an opportunity for some feedback, even if quirky itself.  Hmmm, I'm wondering what it means that more men than women responded to this question.  lol