Comma cat fight....
In the immortal words of Neil Sedaka, comma, comma, down, doobie-do, down, down.
Comma cat fight....
In the immortal words of Neil Sedaka, comma, comma, down, doobie-do, down, down.
I get criticized by stylebook adherents (most commonly of the AP stylebook) who insist that the type of clause, or phrase, or other construct, determines whether a comma is to be inserted, rather than the parsing context. Even saying 'between clauses but not compound predicates' depends on the type of node rather than on the movement down and up the tree.
What level math do you tutor?
All levels through first year college. Oh, the AP stylebook. Try the MLA stylebook--more in keeping with traditional grammar. The type does determine whether a comma is to be inserted, but that actually is derivative from the parsing context. There may be some hinterland differences, but in general, that's how it goes.
Nevermind, the contest announcement just showed up on my screen.
When is the deadline? I wasn't even aware the context had started again.
You've expressed disdain, surprise, alarm, ... what else? But you haven't addressed the argument. Am I a rebel? Am I a fool? Is the argument wrong? If so, why? In what particulars?
I loved your 'mathematical' analysis of grammar. I made my living as a math tutor, and I also tutor writing, hence, grammar. I'm not sure what stylebooks you are referring to--unless its 'Grammarly.' I see some of the stylebook problems you allude to in that, but your argument that commas should be relative to the sentence-tree seems to be reflected in the grammar books I use and it certainly is in the McGuffy's grammar book It explains the use of commas in conjunctions between sentences, but not between compound predicates, it explains the reason for them in introductory phrases, in a list, in coordinating adjectival prepositional phrases, (which comes to my mind as there is a proposed ballot proposition which uses a comma that way and clues the astute reader into what the sentence involves actually means, as opposed to what thousands of people believe in means), and when commas are to be used when there is a pause and there isn't. It shows why the pause is a good rule of thumb but not an absolute. So I just don't see how you are saying anything inconsistent with what grammarians say, except you say it in a long way.
Rachel (Rhiannon) Parsons wrote:In this case, the comma is irrelevant as it is a prepositional adjectival phrase that modifies the noun, 'apprehension'
I'm so old, I don't think they had those when I was in school. :-)
Thanks for the info.
Dirk
You can't be that old, they're mentioned in McGuffy's Grammar, *the* book on grammar in the 19th century. From you picture you don't look a day over one hundred.
Grammarly often dislikes punctuation where punctuation is needed. In this case, the comma is irrelevant as it is a prepositional adjectival phrase that modifies the noun, 'apprehension,' given you more properties of the state of mind. It can go either way, then.
A metaphor is like your soul. It must be watered daily.
Hi, Alypius. Welcome to tNBW. I'm sure you'll be happy here. But Temple is right--join groups that offer points for feedback, and you will get a lot more responses. Hugs.
The issue of commas is complex, but one of the reasons for the Oxford commas is that the traditional rule for commas in a series is that if the series is incomplete, you do need the comma before the last listing to signify that the list is incomplete. For example, "My desk has pencils, wipes for my classes, and my tablet." This would be correct as it has a couple of knives, my earbud, earphones, this computer, etc. However, if I were to list all that Churchill had to offer--"blood, sweat and tears," then, as the list is complete, the and is sufficient. The trouble with applying the traditional rule is obvious. Hence why your teacher said it was optional. But as my grammar program and the Oxford dons would say, go ahead an put the darn comma in. Whatever you decide, be consistent. And fine, computer: "blood, sweat, and tears."
Asimov, =Nightfall.=. Card, =Ender's Game=.
Right, "Nightfall." I didn't know that about "Ender's Game," but not surprised.
j.p., I don't think people are intentionally insulting you when they say that. They are suggesting that it might make a great novel is all. There are lots of examples where an author turned a short story into a novel. Phillip K. Dick wrote a short story about a post-apocalyptic world which used the technology provided by Martians instead of rebuilding the planet, to make little dolls through which they lived their pre-apocalyptic lives vicariously. He turned it into "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldrich." There's "Flowers for Algernon," which turned from a short story to a novel to a screenplay. My short story, "The Gorgon," turned into a multi-novel saga.
And there are often different formats for ideas, and they can mean going from success to spectacular success. Phillip Francis Nowlan wrote a book, "Armageddon 2419" that I've bet you've never heard off. It's about a WWI Vet, Anthony Rogers, who, excavating a mine, gets overcome by gas and wakes up in the 25th century, where Americans are organized into gangs fighting Chinese Overlords. It got turned into a comic strip, then a movie series, and a TV show. The character got a nickname--he became Anthony "Buck" Rogers, and soon his first name was all but forgotten.
And dare I mention George R. R. Martin, who didn't mind at all his novels being turned into a TV series, even though they were altered in the process. He didn't think that was an implied criticism, but rather what the different medium needed.
I mean, it's not like they said, "You know, this really sucks as a short story, but would make a good novel," they are just suggesting directions for your creativity.
Congratulations, Don!
Awesome, Al. Totally cool. I look forward to reading it.
Well, Wolf and Raven, then. Unless you want to wear those horrible horn-rimmed glasses.
But everyone thinks positively toward English pubs, so you might attract readers just from that association. lol
Well, Wolf and Raven, then. Unless you want to wear those horrible horn-rimmed glasses.
Then maybe: "Out of the Fog: A Fog and Shadows Story," "Raven's Curse: A Fog and Shadows Story," "The Final Conflict: A Fog and Shadows Story." It took me a look time and a lot of feedback before I decided "Exile" should appear in the title of my Rhiannon books. Inspired by Nora Roberts' "Death..." Series. You know, "Naked in Death," "Outraged in Death," "Dead in Death."
Yay. I see the third installment, "The Final Conflict" is now being posted. I won't get to it until I've finished "Raven's Curse." But I will say this much. Perhaps consider a title that stays with the books. Not "Dawn of the Tiger," "Raven's Curse," and "The Final Conflict," but maybe "The Wolf and the Raven, then subtitle: "Out of the Fog," "Raven's Curse," "The Final Conflict." Anyway, great news, and I look forward to reading the third installment.
I'm sorry, but there is a poltergeist ensconced within the parameters of the digital-verse where all reviews reside and it -- the poltergeist -- is high on the essence of virtual ink fumes forming a magnetic cloud over its heretofore spirited domain. Here's hoping a good rain will wash it away. Take care. Vern
I thought so. lol
Anyone else getting weird reviews? I've gotten about ten with only one comment and no summary, and one with no comment at all. And what's really weird is that in one of phred's comments, Tempe shows up.
Congratulations!
OK, I was going to wait awhile, but I was reviewing Book IV, "Time for Exile," and It was really good (if I do say so myself), and I was making the kinds of edits that my reviewers would make, so I couldn't resist. Found some cover art that was appropriate, and have posted the first chapter. I will get to my reviews, I promise you. This is the last of the "Can I get 50,000?" words out of this tetralogy. But there are two further books (at least). One really needs revamping, given what's been going on in the series, and the other is, so far, a series of short stories or novellas with transitional scenes (which isn't bad, but indicates some thought as to a plot might be good before posting). Can't wait to read your comments.
OK, I was going to wait awhile, but I was reviewing Book IV, "Time for Exile," and It was really good (if I do say so myself), and I was making the kinds of edits that my reviewers would make, so I couldn't resist. Found some cover art that was appropriate, and have posted the first chapter. I will get to my reviews, I promise you. This is the last of the "Can I get 50,000?" words out of this tetralogy. But there are two further books (at least). One really needs revamping, given what's been going on in the series, and the other is, so far, a series of short stories or novellas with transitional scenes (which isn't bad, but indicates some thought as to a plot might be good before posting). Can't wait to read your comments.
Huge congratulations, Rhiannon. Another TNBW writer publishes.
Bill
Thank you, Bill!
Another TNBW author gets published! Congratulations!
Thanks, Jack!