Something happened on the site. I'm asking the tech folks now. I know there was an upgrade release planned for today. I see a few other problems. Sorry about that. Let me find out if the in-line is still there.
Sol
Something happened on the site. I'm asking the tech folks now. I know there was an upgrade release planned for today. I see a few other problems. Sorry about that. Let me find out if the in-line is still there.
Sol
How are we coming with the chapter reordering glitch?
On the list. We have to push some other changes live first and then that is first on the list. Probably be fixed later this week.
But I lose the gestalt.
We're working on something that will hopefully put the gestalt back into your experience.
Yes, we're working on these items.
BTW, Sol, there's no "clicking" with an i-Pad.
I know, I meant tap with your finger . The new click.
I am also a member on another site like this, and I find it much easier there to highlight text in editing, so I think this is a site specific problem.
We'll be rolling out some changes in the future which should make it easier. It might be a little bit because we have some other items in the pipeline we need to release first.
I know this idea might have quite a low priority because it's only a nice to have, and I'm sure that not all authors will take advantage of it. However, for the ones like Norm d'Plume, Karin Rita and yours truly, it'd be very helpful to have some way to mark those reviews which we've already gone through and incorporate/dump in our novel.
Sure, we can do it. We have a big release going out tomorrow or Monday and then after that we might have some resources to take a look at this.
Thanks for keeping the topic fresh.
Sol
Hi all,
We're putting the finishing touches on the Strongest Start Competition for this year. It should be live sometime next week. We'll be rolling out the first phase of a new contest system at the same time. So, ladies and gentlemen, start your engines!
Sol
Sol,
I got an automated mail saying my subscription has expired and I can renew. On the old site I had selected to be renewed automatically. Do I need to do anything, or do I need to subscribe again? I am a founding premium member.
Thanks,
Ernie
Hi Ernie,
Ignore it. It's from the old site and shouldn't have gone out. It looks like your Premium Membership expires on Feb 6, 2015. At that point, you'll have to reenter your billing info because we moved to a new system. You can choose to have the account auto-renew at that time if you want.
Sol
You should be able to highlight by touching a word until you see the highlight brackets appear. From there you can expand the brackets to whatever phrase or paragraph you want. Then, when you have selected what you want to highlight, click beside the highlighted text to get the in-line comment box. . If you still can't get it to work, let me know and I'll create a video. I've been planning to do one on it but haven't found the time. But I'll try and do it today.
Sol
Sounds like she was referring to the prompts/themes for the flash contests or droubles and such. Take care. Vern
Well, if that's the case we'll be doing those and more shortly. We're almost done with version 1 of the new contest system.
I don't know what is going on here but I just had to pay eight dollars just to go to my profile. I have been off for a few months but you should be able to have a free membership. I had to pay for a premium to log in. I kind of feel like I'm talking to an ATM machine. What happened to all the contests and fun prompt they used to have? It looks boring now. I liked the prompts. It gave me ideas for stories.
There is a free membership option and we'll be launching a new contest very shortly. I'm not sure what fun prompt you are referring to but it sounds like a good idea.
Your Strongest Start:
How to Hook an Agent—Or Any Reader—With Your Opening Pages
What does it take to capture readers’ attention when they pick up your book? What do agents look for as they wade through the slush pile?
Your opening pages are arguably the most important part of your novel. If they don’t shine, readers will never make it to the satisfying ending, or all the thrills in between. When you submit to agents, a strong start is what makes the difference between a “tell me more” and a “no thanks.” This class will teach you to recognize the strengths in your work and develop the areas that need attention.
Audience:
This class is for writers who have a completed manuscript and are preparing to submit it to agents, or for those who are in the early stages of their novel and want to start with a strong framework (note, however, that in all cases the opening pages need to be proofread and reasonably polished). It is also useful for authors who plan to self-publish and want to make sure their opening chapters have what it takes to grab and hold reader interest. Participants will have a chance to comment on their classmates’ work and ask the instructor questions throughout the course. The instructor will give feedback on each submission, based on the topics covered that week.
Using the site’s “forum” and “content” tabs, you will be able to respond to your classmates’ work and receive their feedback on yours. You’ll also be able to start discussions or pose questions to your classmates and the instructor.
In this class, you will learn how to:
• Strengthen the characters, setting, voice, and tension in your opening pages
• Avoid common mistakes that make agents stop reading your manuscript
• Identify the inciting incident in your story and gauge whether it is compelling enough
• Polish your writing on the paragraph and sentence levels to improve fluency
By the end of the class, you will have:
• Insider knowledge of the publishing industry—what agents and publishers want
• The tools to look at your own opening chapters with fresh eyes
• Experience giving meaningful critiques of others’ work
• A detailed critique of your first 25 pages by a professional editor
Class Structure:
Week One
Introduction: What agents want
This lesson will focus on some essential Dos and Don’ts for hooking an agent with your sample chapters. The instructor will cover the following topics, based on her experience of reading thousands of slush pile submissions at a top literary agency:
• An overview of the key elements of writing craft that your opening pages MUST contain
• Proven ways to grab an agent’s attention and get a full manuscript request
• Red flags and faux pas that make an agent stop reading
Homework:
(1) This week’s assignment will help ensure that your 5-page writing sample is ready for the class to read. Go back to your pages and ask yourself: What are the strengths of my opening pages and how can I play them up? Are there any red flags? Revise as needed.
Week Two
The Basics: Characters, setting, and voice
* Students post a writing sample (first 5 pages of a novel).
This week’s lesson zooms in on three of the elements that must be present in your opening pages. First, the main character(s) have to immediately grab the reader’s interest, either because they are likable, or at the very least, engaging. Second, you must establish the setting so that the reader feels physically grounded and can then concentrate on the events of the story itself. Third, the writing must have that most elusive of qualities: a strong voice. The lesson will focus on how to clarify and strengthen each of these elements and how to avoid the generic or the cliché.
Homework:
(1) Comment on at least two or three classmates’ writing samples, focusing on the three elements discussed in this week’s lesson. Questions to consider: What is your first impression of the protagonist? Did the author give physical grounding cues (where and when) at the beginning of the very first scene? Did the writing style convey a unique, fluent voice?
Week Three
Establishing the inciting incident and tension
Within the first few chapters of every great novel is an inciting incident—the event that will set in motion all subsequent action (the story arc). In this lesson, we will look at examples from successful novels. Then we will work on identifying your inciting incident and gauging whether it is “big” enough to ignite reader interest and fuel an entire story.
Once you have hooked your readers, the trick is of course to maintain their interest. For this, the writer’s number one tool is tension, and it should be present from the very first page. We will look at examples of how to create tension, and also at common pitfalls that are sure to make tension levels plummet; for example: too much backstory or setup information, an imbalance of telling versus showing, or too much musing or psychoanalysis by the characters.
Homework:
(1) Identify the inciting incident in your story and post a brief description of it, including the following information: on which page does it occur? How does it spark the events of the rest of the novel?
(2) Next, comment on several of your classmates’ posts. Does his or her inciting incident sound compelling and believable? Would it make you want to read the novel (assuming you were a reader of that genre)?
(3) Now take a second look at your classmates’ sample pages. What have they done to create tension and hold the reader’s interest? Were there areas of lengthy backstory or description that might slow the story down? Were there spots where you noticed your attention wandering or thought, “Why is the narrator/character telling me this?” Post a comment on several classmates’ work.
Week Four
The Nitty Gritty: Polishing your writing on the paragraph and sentence level
One of the top reasons an agent or general reader puts down a manuscript is that “the writing just doesn’t flow.” But what does that mean? This week’s lesson will look at the mechanics of good prose, focusing on the most common errors the instructor has encountered during her work in the publishing industry (wordiness, redundancy, incorrect register, and more), with tips on identifying and fixing them.
The lesson will close with some advice for your next steps:
• How to apply the principles you’ve learned to the rest of your manuscript
• Resources to help you continue to improve your craft
Homework:
(1) Go back to the sample pages you posted. Do you see any problems covered in this week’s lesson? Choose an example or two and show how you would improve the sentence or paragraph.
(2) Students will have the opportunity to submit their first 25 pages to the instructor (via email) within one week of the end date of the class. The instructor will respond within two weeks of receiving the materials with a 2-3 page critique letter focusing on the main strengths, areas for improvement, and readiness for submission to agents.
I gave her an in-line review, and she couldn't see it. Does that mean members of the Free group can only receive regular reviews? I didn't realize that. JP
They can give and receive in-line reviews but can only read them if they become Premium Members.
I received a message from a new member today who said she could not read the review I gave her work because she is not a member of the Premium Group. Is this true? If so, I have been wasting a lot of time, trying to review work for new members who just joined the Free group. I would hate for this to be the case, because I recommended that she stay in the Free group until she decided which group she wanted to join. I made that recommendation based on the threads I read in the Forums. JP If her perception is wrong, I'll give you her name.
This is not true. She must be confused. Only Premium members can read in-line reviews they receive. Maybe that is what she meant. But with regular reviews there should be no problem.
Sol - I read about the way Review points are awarded and the mysterious 'word density' formula. But I have to ask about a couple of chapters I just posted. Chapter 14 contained 1834 words (per Word) and paid 1.14 points. Chapter 15 contained 1504 words (330 fewer words) and paid the same 1.14 points. Seems that would take more Voodoo math than I can understand. Any insight?
Is it from this book?
Lovell County A Detective Virgil Aslin Story
If so, both chapter 15 & 15 look identical. This could explain why the points are the same. Please confirm.
The system uses a formula based on word count, so if there are more words, it will cost more.
Reflecting on my opening sentence, two things: we now have five pages of threads with little or no organization by topic. Me posting a new thread is adding to the 'slush pile'. Is there any way to corral what appears to be a runaway situation?
If I wanted to make an effort to post a question for you in an older related thread, and chose one from page 5, what are the odds you'd see it?
Once you make a comment in a thread, it will bring it to the top. So, the odds I'll see it are very high. This is the magic of message threads .
In the following example: Lovell County A Detective Virgil Aslin Story, Chapter 16, ... Would it be possible to create some way to denote to readers that the work is complete, and not simply another chapter has been posted?
Good suggestion. I will add this to the list.
We're pleased to announce our first writing class, which will be launching on January 19, 2015. The class, taught by editor and former agent Anita Mumm will focus on helping writers hone their opening chapters so that they appeal to agents, publishers, and readers. A full syllabus of the class is below.
The cost of the class is $250 with a 10% discount for TheNextBigWriter Premium Members. This is well below the costs of most writing classes of this calibre.
To register, Apply to Join the Strongest Start Writing Class Group. We will then send information to complete payment and class enrollment.
You can view Anita's profile here and ask her questions about the class.
http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/users/Anita+Mumm-11297
The Class page can be found here:
http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/group-s … e-class-43
Anita has capped the class size at 10, so if you are interested, don't miss out. Space is limited.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Your Strongest Start:
How to Hook an Agent—Or Any Reader—With Your Opening Pages
What does it take to capture readers’ attention when they pick up your book? What do agents look for as they wade through the slush pile?
Your opening pages are arguably the most important part of your novel. If they don’t shine, readers will never make it to the satisfying ending, or all the thrills in between. When you submit to agents, a strong start is what makes the difference between a “tell me more” and a “no thanks.” This class will teach you to recognize the strengths in your work and develop the areas that need attention.
Audience:
This class is for writers who have a completed manuscript and are preparing to submit it to agents, or for those who are in the early stages of their novel and want to start with a strong framework (note, however, that in all cases the opening pages need to be proofread and reasonably polished). It is also useful for authors who plan to self-publish and want to make sure their opening chapters have what it takes to grab and hold reader interest. Participants will have a chance to comment on their classmates’ work and ask the instructor questions throughout the course. The instructor will give feedback on each submission, based on the topics covered that week.
Using the site’s “forum” and “content” tabs, you will be able to respond to your classmates’ work and receive their feedback on yours. You’ll also be able to start discussions or pose questions to your classmates and the instructor.
In this class, you will learn how to:
• Strengthen the characters, setting, voice, and tension in your opening pages
• Avoid common mistakes that make agents stop reading your manuscript
• Identify the inciting incident in your story and gauge whether it is compelling enough
• Polish your writing on the paragraph and sentence levels to improve fluency
By the end of the class, you will have:
• Insider knowledge of the publishing industry—what agents and publishers want
• The tools to look at your own opening chapters with fresh eyes
• Experience giving meaningful critiques of others’ work
• A detailed critique of your first 25 pages by a professional editor
Class Structure:
Week One
Introduction: What agents want
This lesson will focus on some essential Dos and Don’ts for hooking an agent with your sample chapters. The instructor will cover the following topics, based on her experience of reading thousands of slush pile submissions at a top literary agency:
• An overview of the key elements of writing craft that your opening pages MUST contain
• Proven ways to grab an agent’s attention and get a full manuscript request
• Red flags and faux pas that make an agent stop reading
Homework:
(1) This week’s assignment will help ensure that your 5-page writing sample is ready for the class to read. Go back to your pages and ask yourself: What are the strengths of my opening pages and how can I play them up? Are there any red flags? Revise as needed.
Week Two
The Basics: Characters, setting, and voice
* Students post a writing sample (first 5 pages of a novel).
This week’s lesson zooms in on three of the elements that must be present in your opening pages. First, the main character(s) have to immediately grab the reader’s interest, either because they are likable, or at the very least, engaging. Second, you must establish the setting so that the reader feels physically grounded and can then concentrate on the events of the story itself. Third, the writing must have that most elusive of qualities: a strong voice. The lesson will focus on how to clarify and strengthen each of these elements and how to avoid the generic or the cliché.
Homework:
(1) Comment on at least two or three classmates’ writing samples, focusing on the three elements discussed in this week’s lesson. Questions to consider: What is your first impression of the protagonist? Did the author give physical grounding cues (where and when) at the beginning of the very first scene? Did the writing style convey a unique, fluent voice?
Week Three
Establishing the inciting incident and tension
Within the first few chapters of every great novel is an inciting incident—the event that will set in motion all subsequent action (the story arc). In this lesson, we will look at examples from successful novels. Then we will work on identifying your inciting incident and gauging whether it is “big” enough to ignite reader interest and fuel an entire story.
Once you have hooked your readers, the trick is of course to maintain their interest. For this, the writer’s number one tool is tension, and it should be present from the very first page. We will look at examples of how to create tension, and also at common pitfalls that are sure to make tension levels plummet; for example: too much backstory or setup information, an imbalance of telling versus showing, or too much musing or psychoanalysis by the characters.
Homework:
(1) Identify the inciting incident in your story and post a brief description of it, including the following information: on which page does it occur? How does it spark the events of the rest of the novel?
(2) Next, comment on several of your classmates’ posts. Does his or her inciting incident sound compelling and believable? Would it make you want to read the novel (assuming you were a reader of that genre)?
(3) Now take a second look at your classmates’ sample pages. What have they done to create tension and hold the reader’s interest? Were there areas of lengthy backstory or description that might slow the story down? Were there spots where you noticed your attention wandering or thought, “Why is the narrator/character telling me this?” Post a comment on several classmates’ work.
Week Four
The Nitty Gritty: Polishing your writing on the paragraph and sentence level
One of the top reasons an agent or general reader puts down a manuscript is that “the writing just doesn’t flow.” But what does that mean? This week’s lesson will look at the mechanics of good prose, focusing on the most common errors the instructor has encountered during her work in the publishing industry (wordiness, redundancy, incorrect register, and more), with tips on identifying and fixing them.
The lesson will close with some advice for your next steps:
• How to apply the principles you’ve learned to the rest of your manuscript
• Resources to help you continue to improve your craft
Homework:
(1) Go back to the sample pages you posted. Do you see any problems covered in this week’s lesson? Choose an example or two and show how you would improve the sentence or paragraph.
(2) Students will have the opportunity to submit their first 25 pages to the instructor (via email) within one week of the end date of the class. The instructor will respond within two weeks of receiving the materials with a 2-3 page critique letter focusing on the main strengths, areas for improvement, and readiness for submission to agents.
If the point system were modified to allow the author to "spend" points to "hire" specific members to review their chapters would their be any significant drawbacks that outweighed the benefits? Some of the benefits I could see is it would address repeated concerns mentioned by others. Hiring good reviewers has the overall effect of allowing them to gain points faster and other reviewers that do subpar (subjective to the author's POV to be sure) work will feel the pressure to elevate their review quality if they want to partake of more than just the minimum points set for a review.
It's an interesting concept and one I've been turning over in my mind for awhile. There is no programming limitation. It's something I think we will definitely experiment with in the upcoming year. Thanks for the suggestion.
Bottom line, lack of reciprocating was due to a simple lack of knowledge about the site when I first joined, not a reflection of the reviewers's own material. I suspect other new users may be in the same boat. Some of the free stuff I've read hasn't even received a reply yet.
Yes, this is true. I've changed a lot of language for new users to let them know that if they don't give reviews, they won't receive them. I'll continue to look for ways to reinforce this point. In the Free Group, there will be a certain percentage of users who want to dump their content and leave.
Yes, it would require twice as many points. People would create a group that requires points if they want to create a unique community with its own point economy. For a variety of reasons, not everyone that comes on is going to want to participate in the Premium Group. But if you are happy with the Premium Group then there is no reason to post to another group, let alone another point group. I wish I had made that clearer when we first launched.
Thus the effect of the present group structure is to exclude rather than to include. The present group structure is a mix of what's needed to create a private, separate community and what's needed to create a discussion in one corner of a public space.
The mix isn't quite right.
All of this conversation really boils down to the fact that a group on the new site really want the old forum structure back. Well, my suggestion is that this group should go back to the old site or wait until I bring the old forum to this site in some form. But for new groups, the new site does not, and will not use the same forum structure as the old one. I have specific reasons for doing so. One of them is that the old site, as much as some people liked it, was not a success from a user standpoint. It catered to a very narrow audience of writers. This is not a recipe for success in any type of site. So, I am not going to return to something that didn't work.
We can and will improve the forums. We can add search features and other items to make using the forums easier and this we will do.
We have a lot planned for 2015 and look forward to moving forward, not back.
Sol
Putting points in a group would seem to make sense only if that group represented a closed community with its own economy, cut off from the general economy. In other words, points appear (to me) to make sense only if the wrriter is not also being charged for posting to the community-at large.
You are entirely correct. I should have explained this better when the site launched. For most users from the old site, there is no real need to post anywhere else other than Premium.
Such a group would be a closed group, and should probably be allowed subgroups, just as non-point groups are used as subgroups of the premium group.
You are really talking about a sub-forum. A lot of this conversation really boils down t the fact that a group on the new site really want the old forum structure back. Well, my suggestion is that this group should go back to the old site or wait until I import the old forums to this site in some form. But even when I do that, there will not be a site-wide forum. The new site does not, and will not use the same forum structure as the old one. I have specific reasons for doing so. One of them is that the old site, as much as some people liked it, was not a success from a user standpoint. So, I am not going to return to something that didn't work.
Sol
Thanks for these tips. With your permission I may incorporate them into the book. Feel free to leave some of them directly in the book. One new aspect of the site is that we don't need to keep conversations in the forums. Content on the site supports conversations as members can leave multiple reviews and comments on the same piece of content.
That article is about Kindle Unlimited, which has nothing to do with sales and royalties.
Yes, you are right. I guess I meant to ask about both Select and Unlimited. Has anyone seen royalties go down since they started rolling out Unlimited? Has anyone benefited from Select?
I've published over ten books via the WorldMaker Media brand and have never chosen to go the KDP Select route, mainly because I have not wanted to eliminate iBooks, Nook, etc and go exclusive with Amazon. In fact, we do quite a few sales through those channels, sometimes even rivaling sales through Amazon.
I'm wondering about the experiences of others. Do you use KDP Select? I've read a few articles recently which indicate that Select is cutting the royalties earned via Amazon. Here's an interesting NY Times article about KDP Select.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/28/techn … .html?_r=0
Sol
Currently on the home page, it lists all new content (books, essays, poems, etc.) followed by a Read More New Content button. Scrolling all the way down to find that button is tedious, nor is it obvious to a new user. Ideally, that button should appear below each section of new content (i.e., after new books, new poems, etc.)
Agree. This is on the enhancement list and should be out soon. Thanks for the suggestion.