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Well, when I first read all the talk about creating a new forum for every piece of work, I really couldn't understand the need so thought I'd just sit out this particular debate , but then I kept reading different posts about how good it would be and all so I decided to go ahead and jump in. But alas it looks like Sol must've read my mind because he pretty much said everything I was going to say. But I'm gonna go ahead and regurgitate some of it anyway so as to put my vote out there should one be taken.

The problem is not that there is no forum for all this feedback bandied about; the problem is that virtually no one uses the built in forum of the inline review. Not only do most folks not respond to any of the highlighted areas within the text of the piece being reviewed, virtually no other reviewers make additional comments to the ones already made. I've made a few attempts to get some response, but so far nothing has happened so I simply quit leaving additional comments for the most part.

If authors really want more feedback, then pray tell why don't they offer some opinion on all the comments left in the inline review instead of only a few words in the final comment section. You can agree or disagree with what was said or even offer a totally different interpretation. You can question why the reviewer sees things that weren't intended at all or show why you chose to do something a particular way and start a conversation in which others could offer various points of view. In other words, you've got a forum built into the review process just as Sol envisioned and implemented.

I really don't see why Sol would entertain making any changes to the existing forum parameters when the potential for the obvious feedback choice is almost totally ignored.

That's my vote on the long ballot. Take care. Vern

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1. Another wish list item (drooling on this one) would be to have a bottom button at the top of each forum page, and a top button at the bottom of each such page. That would allow us to easily click to get to a page (e.g., I clicked 4 to go to the last page of Wishlist Cont.), and then one more click to go to the opposite end of the page. I suggest putting the buttons immediately to the right of the page numbers. That way, you simply click on a page and, with the slightest mouse movement, can skip to the top/bottom. This would be really handy for those of us with joints as old as dirt. Ideally, you could add similarly named buttons on the posting view page to do the same thing, and anywhere else where pages grow long with time.

2. On a related note, I'll restate my wish for a button at the top of the posting view page to dive directly into a regular review as you can with an inline review, without having to first scroll to the end of the chapter. I rarely use regular reviews anymore, but I know many still do. I think it would be a very nice shortcut and would address at least one of the click/scrolling complaints you're getting.

3. And as long as I'm redesigning your posting view (grin), we also need a button at the top to jump directly over a chapter to the beginning of that chapter's reviews. I've noticed that many of my reviewers like to read the reviews of others before diving in. I do it too.

I'm sure you have screen real-estate issues, especially with tablets and phones to support. You could accomplish 2 and 3 combined if you change the Leave Inline Review button to Goto Reviews. Have the Goto Reviews button take me to the start of the reviews just below the chapter, where you then already have two side-by-side buttons to leave Regular vs Inline reviews. I think it would streamline the posting view a lot and add a touch of extra simplicity for new users trying to find their way around. Admittedly, you may hear some initial grumbles if you change Leave Inline Reviews to Goto Reviews, requiring an extra mouse mouvement and click to get to those much loved inlines.

Thanks as always.
Dirk

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Still my biggest issue is having the dialogue box for inlines cover up some text so that often the concern is answered a couple of paragraphs later. If the dialogue box was to the side, it would be so much easier.

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Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

Still my biggest issue is having the dialogue box for inlines cover up some text so that often the concern is answered a couple of paragraphs later. If the dialogue box was to the side, it would be so much easier.

I am a member on another website, and the way it gets around this problem is that the dialogue box for the inlines contains two sections.  The top 75% contains the entry text for your critique comments (it also scrolls as the text gets larger than the space).  The bottom 25% shows the text you selected to edit.  This section can be collapsed or expanded to be larger, and also scrolls.  The inline box is also larger overall, so it doesn't feel so cramped.  With this feature, the text you have selected to comment on is ALWAYS just below your comments.  It's very convenient.

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I am a member on another website, and the way it gets around this problem is that the dialogue box for the inlines contains two sections.  The top 75% contains the entry text for your critique comments (it also scrolls as the text gets larger than the space).  The bottom 25% shows the text you selected to edit.  This section can be collapsed or expanded to be larger, and also scrolls.  The inline box is also larger overall, so it doesn't feel so cramped.  With this feature, the text you have selected to comment on is ALWAYS just below your comments.  It's very convenient.

We can do this. I'll add it to the list for the second version of inlines we are working on.

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vern wrote:

Well, when I first read all the talk about creating a new forum for every piece of work, I really couldn't understand the need so thought I'd just sit out this particular debate , but then I kept reading different posts about how good it would be and all so I decided to go ahead and jump in. But alas it looks like Sol must've read my mind because he pretty much said everything I was going to say. But I'm gonna go ahead and regurgitate some of it anyway so as to put my vote out there should one be taken.

The problem is not that there is no forum for all this feedback bandied about; the problem is that virtually no one uses the built in forum of the inline review. Not only do most folks not respond to any of the highlighted areas within the text of the piece being reviewed, virtually no other reviewers make additional comments to the ones already made. I've made a few attempts to get some response, but so far nothing has happened so I simply quit leaving additional comments for the most part.

If authors really want more feedback, then pray tell why don't they offer some opinion on all the comments left in the inline review instead of only a few words in the final comment section. You can agree or disagree with what was said or even offer a totally different interpretation. You can question why the reviewer sees things that weren't intended at all or show why you chose to do something a particular way and start a conversation in which others could offer various points of view. In other words, you've got a forum built into the review process just as Sol envisioned and implemented.

I really don't see why Sol would entertain making any changes to the existing forum parameters when the potential for the obvious feedback choice is almost totally ignored.

That's my vote on the long ballot. Take care. Vern

Vern, I know about the feature you mention and use it, but I'll bet not everyone even knows that a third party can add their two cents to an inline comment. I discovered it by accident while re-reading a review I received. I do respond to inline comments and then usually leave a note at the bottom that I've done so, otherwise a reviewer would never know which of their many suggestions I've replied to inline. That little hindrance could be resolved by having some sort of indicator (a different color?) on the inline comments when there is more than one comment. The solution would also require some form of notification (at least to the author) that there is more discussion taking place in an existing inline review, and some way to find it, besides hunt and peck.

The inline capability is great for individual nits. The posting (chapter) view is great for chatting at the chapter level (if I don't have to scroll endlessly). And the group forum is great for whatever anyone cares to use it for (chapters, books, general discussions, etc.).

Dirk

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SolN wrote:

I am a member on another website, and the way it gets around this problem is that the dialogue box for the inlines contains two sections.  The top 75% contains the entry text for your critique comments (it also scrolls as the text gets larger than the space).  The bottom 25% shows the text you selected to edit.  This section can be collapsed or expanded to be larger, and also scrolls.  The inline box is also larger overall, so it doesn't feel so cramped.  With this feature, the text you have selected to comment on is ALWAYS just below your comments.  It's very convenient.

We can do this. I'll add it to the list for the second version of inlines we are working on.

I'll send you a screenshot

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83 Reply by SolN (edited by SolN 2015-02-26 04:17:57)

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If authors really want more feedback, then pray tell why don't they offer some opinion on all the comments left in the inline review instead of only a few words in the final comment section. You can agree or disagree with what was said or even offer a totally different interpretation. You can question why the reviewer sees things that weren't intended at all or show why you chose to do something a particular way and start a conversation in which others could offer various points of view. In other words, you've got a forum built into the review process just as Sol envisioned and implemented.

This is the purpose of in-lines but I don't think we are fully there yet. The problem is that there is no notification when someone posts a comments so the author and others have no reason to go back to the in-line. We're working on a new version of the in-line review system that will address this and hopefully move more towards the vision I have for the tool. I do believe this is the place to focus the site's resources as opposed to building out the forum system.

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Rosie Zander wrote:

I'm new here but I find this conversation interesting. While everyone is making a wish list, here is mine.
I'd like a rocket  that can travel at light speed and transport me to the Andromeda galaxy. Some type of portable oxygen system would be nice. Throw in a recombinatator for food production and a holodeck for entertainment. And while you're at it, can you create a new version of the site that automatically writes my book for me and then distributes alerts and emails whenever someone access my prose? But I want to make sure I only receive alerts from left-handed people and those with three nipples. And I definitely don't want to see any writing from people who have brown eyes.
Please also create a new forum every time I utter the phrase that begins with the letter S so that discussion can be had on these types of words.
Oh, and while you're at it, do you think the site can dispense kale smoothies?
One more thing. Do you think you can rig up some type of cold fusion project so that I don't have to purchase electricity for all of this.

Thank you for your efforts.
Rosie

Welcome, Rosie.

Sarcasm is prohibited for everyone except KHippolite. This is a thread for wishlist requests, hence the topics of discussion. Sometimes we're just trying to understand how the new site works and is intended to be used.

Dirk

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Hi Dirk. Thanks  for the welcome. It's great to be here smile. For what it's worth, I like all of your suggestions. I think wishlists are great. But as a writer, I wanted to make a statement about what appears to me, as a newbie, to see some of this as a bitch list. It is the first thread I read when I came to the site so I was a bit surprised. Especially since I have enjoyed my experience so far. Reading through this though, you'd think the site sucked and was falling apart.

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Rosie Zander wrote:

Hi Dirk. Thanks  for the welcome. It's great to be here smile. For what it's worth, I like all of your suggestions. I think wishlists are great. But as a writer, I wanted to make a statement about what appears to me, as a newbie, to see some of this as a bitch list. It is the first thread I read when I came to the site so I was a bit surprised. Especially since I have enjoyed my experience so far. Reading through this though, you'd think the site sucked and was falling apart.

Amen....

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Sarcasm is prohibited for everyone except KHippolite

Heh.

Rosie, what you're seeing here is a change of the guard.

We came to this site in its older format, and it was very obtuse. We got kicked around by the format. Those of us who surived were those who were able to absorb that into our writing process.

Now imagine you have a site you consider excellent and someone snatches it away from you and says here's something more modern but it has oly 45% of what you had before, but 200% of what you weren't using. You will naturally moan and complain. It's human nature.

We old fogies will either adapt or move on. Before we do, we will complain like old men returning soup in a deli. Please do not fear... all is not lost. Despite what we might say, the new site has much more promise than the old. And look at Facebook every time they make a minor change... millions of complaints. It's a part of the process.

There's a phoenix somewhere in the pile of ashes. Ignore those of us who say otherwise.

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88 Reply by Linda Lee (edited by Linda Lee 2015-02-26 07:50:31)

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Rosie Zander wrote:

Hi Dirk. Thanks  for the welcome. It's great to be here smile. For what it's worth, I like all of your suggestions. I think wishlists are great. But as a writer, I wanted to make a statement about what appears to me, as a newbie, to see some of this as a bitch list. It is the first thread I read when I came to the site so I was a bit surprised. Especially since I have enjoyed my experience so far. Reading through this though, you'd think the site sucked and was falling apart.

Rosie, Temple et al,  many of us commenting on this thread have been members of The Next Big Writer for many years (9 years for me) and have migrated to this site from a far simpler community oriented workshop site. As you may imagine, when you have something that worked well for so long, adapting to HUGE SWEEPING CHANGE can be more than a little unnerving. But you should know that the opinions given in this thread were solicited by Sol. He's always been dedicated to improving workflow when it comes to what's most important to newbies and oldies alike; i.e. giving and getting writing feedback.

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89 Reply by Linda Lee (edited by Linda Lee 2015-02-26 08:29:15)

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Norm d'Plume wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:

After a little time on the site, here are some of the things that I feel could still use adjustment:
5. A way to flag something as edited and up for new review--within the same project. We shouldn't have to be creating entirely new projects for edits of existing projects. And I really don't want to be forced to scan through these multiple versions of the same project to ensure I'm seeing/saving/using all the valuable feedback.

Linda, I don't understand the above about item 5. Why not simply increment the version number on the chapter in question, within the same project? You can then either hide the old version(s) of the same chapter, or leave several of them up for others to compare them, assuming they want to read the old and the new content. I assume the versioning capability applies to short stories, poems, etc. although I haven't tried that.

I must be missing something.

Thanks.
Dirk

Hey Dirk,
As I understand it (and trust me when I say my understanding is still wobbly), changing version numbers does not generate a for points 'new' content listing. Therefore, unless you make announcements and send private messages to everyone, it will never be seen as an edited version and they won't earn points for reviewing the rewrite.  In order to generate a new content listing that offers points, you need to create an entirely new project--even if it's just an edited version of an already existing project. He's done this to replace the old 'republish' feature. While I like the fact that he did away with the exorbitant point sucker, I don't like being forced to turn a single project into endless multiples in order to continue getting valuable rewrite feedback.

It's not super different from the old site if you were like me and rarely paid the premium republish points, but I was so hoping the 'version' tab on this site would function as a new listing conduit so we wouldn't have to go through those hurdles. Also, the benefit of having ALL feedback (from draft through multiple rewrites) contained within the single project would be EXTREMELY time saving and invaluable.

Hopefully that explains it a little better.

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KHippolite wrote:

Sarcasm is prohibited for everyone except KHippolite

Heh.

Rosie, what you're seeing here is a change of the guard.

We came to this site in its older format, and it was very obtuse. We got kicked around by the format. Those of us who surived were those who were able to absorb that into our writing process.

Now imagine you have a site you consider excellent and someone snatches it away from you and says here's something more modern but it has oly 45% of what you had before, but 200% of what you weren't using. You will naturally moan and complain. It's human nature.

We old fogies will either adapt or move on. Before we do, we will complain like old men returning soup in a deli. Please do not fear... all is not lost. Despite what we might say, the new site has much more promise than the old. And look at Facebook every time they make a minor change... millions of complaints. It's a part of the process.

There's a phoenix somewhere in the pile of ashes. Ignore those of us who say otherwise.

Indeed, by some miracle that phoenix shall rise, despite it's heart being ripped out through his arse and his soul through his nostrils. But he will be beautiful, and the only phoenix flapping his wings while he drags himself forward on crutches, eyes gazing upwards to the skies, flexing his muscled right index finger, the incessant clicking sounds of his mouse ringing in his bleeding ears. This is of course the optimistic outcome.

Back to the bitch-list to give our phoenix a little nudge - a "regular review" button next to the "in-line review" button would be really nice. "Previous" and "next" buttons to the left and right of the top chapter navigation drop down list would ease the pain in the bones of my poor right index finger.

May Sol hear my cries in the chorus of pain.

JR

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91 Reply by Temple Wang (edited by Temple Wang 2015-02-26 11:49:57)

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Sol, old friend.  I think you should change your name to Job (of the Book of Job fame).  I have an item for your wish list.  Let's have a Word of the Day

To get the ball rolling, I nominate "whinge" as the first Word of the Day
whinge
v.
"to complain peevishly," British, informal or dialectal, ultimately from the northern form of Old English hwinsian, from Proto-Germanic *khwinisojan (cf. Old High German winison, German winseln), from root of Old English hwinan "to whine" (see whine (v.)). Related: Whinged ; whinging.
*curtseys* and *goes back to critiquing, because she finds the site quite good and is impressed with Sol's efforts to accommodate, especially in light of so much tempest in his TNBW teacup*

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Temple Wang wrote:

Sol, old friend.  I think you should change your name to Job (of the Book of Job fame).  I have an item for your wish list.  Let's have a Word of the Day

To get the ball rolling, I nominate "whinge" as the first Word of the Day
whinge
v.
"to complain peevishly," British, informal or dialectal, ultimately from the northern form of Old English hwinsian, from Proto-Germanic *khwinisojan (cf. Old High German winison, German winseln), from root of Old English hwinan "to whine" (see whine (v.)). Related: Whinged ; whinging.
*curtseys* and *goes back to critiquing, because she finds the site quite good and is impressed with Sol's efforts to accommodate, especially in light of so much tempest in his TNBW teacup*

Love your idea Temple!!!  Although I (for one) was going for melodramatic  sad 

Jokes aside ...

I fail to see any bitching or whinging in this thread (but that's me).  I have noticed that some would like to see what had made the old site so great, and wasn't copied across, incorporated here as well.  And I have also noticed new members that had made suggestions based on what other sites they are members of are doing that would improve TNBW.  It's a good mix of suggestions, and it would likely result in a better outcome compared to if only one group was allowed to have their say/way.  And Sol is doing pretty good in my opinion to maintain that balance.  So hat's off to him.

And yes, we should probably thank Sol much more for all his hard work, even if it may be hard to really express our heartfelt appreciation in words (well, at least for me).  But somehow I suspect that Sol knows it is appreciated.

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janet reid wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

Sol, old friend.  I think you should change your name to Job (of the Book of Job fame).  I have an item for your wish list.  Let's have a Word of the Day

To get the ball rolling, I nominate "whinge" as the first Word of the Day
whinge
v.
"to complain peevishly," British, informal or dialectal, ultimately from the northern form of Old English hwinsian, from Proto-Germanic *khwinisojan (cf. Old High German winison, German winseln), from root of Old English hwinan "to whine" (see whine (v.)). Related: Whinged ; whinging.
*curtseys* and *goes back to critiquing, because she finds the site quite good and is impressed with Sol's efforts to accommodate, especially in light of so much tempest in his TNBW teacup*

Love your idea Temple!!!  Although I (for one) was going for melodramatic  sad 

Jokes aside ...

I fail to see any bitching or whinging in this thread (but that's me).  I have noticed that some would like to see what had made the old site so great, and wasn't copied across, incorporated here as well.  And I have also noticed new members that had made suggestions based on what other sites they are members of are doing that would improve TNBW.  It's a good mix of suggestions, and it would likely result in a better outcome compared to if only one group was allowed to have their say/way.  And Sol is doing pretty good in my opinion to maintain that balance.  So hat's off to him.

And yes, we should probably thank Sol much more for all his hard work, even if it may be hard to really express our heartfelt appreciation in words (well, at least for me).  But somehow I suspect that Sol knows it is appreciated.

He had Cinderella sit down, and, putting the slipper to her foot, he found that it went on very easily, fitting her as if it had been made of wax.

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Temple Wang wrote:

... I nominate "whinge" as the first Word of the Day
whinge
v.
"to complain peevishly," British, informal or dialectal, ultimately from the northern form of Old English hwinsian, from Proto-Germanic *khwinisojan (cf. Old High German winison, German winseln), from root of Old English hwinan "to whine" (see whine (v.)). Related: Whinged ; whinging.
*curtseys* and *goes back to critiquing, because she finds the site quite good and is impressed with Sol's efforts to accommodate, especially in light of so much tempest in his TNBW teacup*

A year or so ago, Sol asked existing members for feedback about what worked/didn't work (in our view) as the new site was cooking. He asked again as the new site was headed to launch, and has repeatedly said that he appreciates candor as it helps him make improvements. He doesn't agree with it all, but the feedback helps him make decisions. Linda is continuing that discussion now that she's tried out the new site long enough to perceive a few of the rough patches on her end. What you perceive as "whinging" is a conversation in which you have stumbled unawares.

Linda has the rare talent of being direct without ever slipping into spite. You might benefit from the example.

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As I understand it (and trust me when I say my understanding is still wobbly), changing version numbers does not generate a for points 'new' content listing. Therefore, unless you make announcements and send private messages to everyone, it will never be seen as an edited version and they won't earn points for reviewing the rewrite.  In order to generate a new content listing that offers points, you need to create an entirely new project--even if it's just an edited version of an already existing project. He's done this to replace the old 'republish' feature. While I like the fact that he did away with the exorbitant point sucker, I don't like being forced to turn a single project into endless multiples in order to continue getting valuable rewrite feedback.

This is incorrect. To publish a new version of a chapter, publish the new version like a new chapter but mark it as V2 or V3 or whatever the right number is. Then you can either deactivate the old version or even keep it up if you want your reviewers to be able to compare the two. The newly published chapter will appear everywhere and everyone will know.

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96 Reply by Temple Wang (edited by Temple Wang 2015-02-26 14:27:36)

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corra wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

... I nominate "whinge" as the first Word of the Day
whinge
v.
"to complain peevishly," British, informal or dialectal, ultimately from the northern form of Old English hwinsian, from Proto-Germanic *khwinisojan (cf. Old High German winison, German winseln), from root of Old English hwinan "to whine" (see whine (v.)). Related: Whinged ; whinging.
*curtseys* and *goes back to critiquing, because she finds the site quite good and is impressed with Sol's efforts to accommodate, especially in light of so much tempest in his TNBW teacup*

A year or so ago, Sol asked existing members for feedback about what worked/didn't work (in our view) as the new site was cooking. He asked again as the new site was headed to launch, and has repeatedly said that he appreciates candor as it helps him make improvements. He doesn't agree with it all, but the feedback helps him make decisions. Linda is continuing that discussion now that she's tried out the new site long enough to perceive a few of the rough patches on her end. What you perceive as "whinging" is a conversation in which you have stumbled unawares.

Linda has the rare talent of being direct without ever slipping into spite. You might benefit from the example.

Cora,
Thanks for your assistance in helping me distinguish between whinging and making legitimate requests for items to be added to the site.  I have no beef with Linda. In fact, Linda's original post made a great legitimate suggestion for a wish list.  I suggest you go to the top of this thread and check out the first person to respond to Linda's idea, you will find it was me, concurring with her recommendation. I have been following it since it started, have read every post, and have contributed when I felt it appropriate--so I didn't "stumble unawares" on anything. That said, much of what has been going on in this thread recently is not related to legitimate requests for items to wish list, but old timers on the site bemoaning change and turning it into a bitch-list, as was aptly observed by someone else.

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corra wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

... I nominate "whinge" as the first Word of the Day
whinge
v.
"to complain peevishly," British, informal or dialectal, ultimately from the northern form of Old English hwinsian, from Proto-Germanic *khwinisojan (cf. Old High German winison, German winseln), from root of Old English hwinan "to whine" (see whine (v.)). Related: Whinged ; whinging.
*curtseys* and *goes back to critiquing, because she finds the site quite good and is impressed with Sol's efforts to accommodate, especially in light of so much tempest in his TNBW teacup*

A year or so ago, Sol asked existing members for feedback about what worked/didn't work (in our view) as the new site was cooking. He asked again as the new site was headed to launch, and has repeatedly said that he appreciates candor as it helps him make improvements. He doesn't agree with it all, but the feedback helps him make decisions. Linda is continuing that discussion now that she's tried out the new site long enough to perceive a few of the rough patches on her end. What you perceive as "whinging" is a conversation in which you have stumbled unawares.

Linda has the rare talent of being direct without ever slipping into spite. You might benefit from the example.

Corra, don't bother.  This is life according to Temple:  If your name is not Temple, you are whinging and bitching, Linda's first post being the exception by some kind of shoe-fitting fairy-tale miracle i.e. because Temple said so or concurred.  If your name is Temple or Temple agrees with you, only then is it a legitimate request or reply or post or opinion.  (No need to thank me or reply Temple, consider clarifying this as my good deed for today).

ps - Temple will of course reply, because she's very independent and do as she wishes.  I admire that greatly.

We are of course ignoring this reply from Linda in response to Temple agreeing with someone about this being a bitching list for the moment by being very selective and because you have agreed with Linda once (way back then):

Linda Lee wrote:

Rosie, Temple et al,  many of us commenting on this thread have been members of The Next Big Writer for many years (9 years for me) and have migrated to this site from a far simpler community oriented workshop site. As you may imagine, when you have something that worked well for so long, adapting to HUGE SWEEPING CHANGE can be more than a little unnerving. But you should know that the opinions given in this thread were solicited by Sol. He's always been dedicated to improving workflow when it comes to what's most important to newbies and oldies alike; i.e. giving and getting writing feedback.

I have to admit, I admire Temple's ability to turn most reasonable on-topic replies directed to her into something personal and completely irrelevant to the intent behind the post. I also admire her ability to twist words deliberately around to suit her agenda while she somehow still connect it to the topic, no matter how far fetched it may be. 

I'm okay with this, because Sol is okay with it, and because I fully support everyone's right to freedom of speech and to have their opinion heard, even when they contradict themselves without fail.

I would have agreed with your reply and Linda's, but then we will be instructed to a get a room.  A classic/very original reply when you dare to agree with someone not named Temple and when Temple is not in agreement too.  I would admire this, if it wasn't for the predictability.  In other words, I agree with you and Linda, by not exactly saying I agree with you and Linda  wink

My next item for the wish-list is:  to return to submitting ideas and suggestions, all and sundry, for Sol's consideration and to make this site the best it can be.  And if someone should feel a suggestion or idea is not up to whatever the standard it is they hold, that they will give it a cursory glance and no more.

*hobbles away with a melting wax shoe on one foot*

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98 Reply by Temple Wang (edited by Temple Wang 2015-02-26 15:55:26)

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janet reid wrote:

*hobbles away with a melting wax shoe on one foot*

How's that spleen feeling after the purge?  All better now?  Good.  Glad I could be of service.  Anytime.

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Thanks, Sol, for addressing the inconvenience of the text box being over the content. I appreciate all your efforts.

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Thanks for the reply Sol. Does that mean when you switch the version and publish the new, the reviewer receives points? Dirk has just sent me a PM with a test for this, will report our findings back here.

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