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An alternative to having Connor and his cousins subject themselves to the switch being turned off is to leave the switch on (there's no way to turn it off without causing instant death). So, Connor will have to fight the effects for the rest of the trilogy. However, I could make his cousins loyal to him by him revealing he is the son of Satan. I'll have to figure out a way to make that loyalty change permanent, meaning once they're loyal to Connor, that won't change even when they see Satan near the edge of the final battle.

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Awesome idea (if I do say so myself): rather than have Connor make up and show what he's seeing of Christ to the other members of the tour group, I'm going to change it so that the visions are real and Connor is merely showing what he truly sees. I can even switch scenes briefly to put Connor there, meaning a quick jump to the past. Connor will be in the historic scene, pretty much as he describes Christ addressing him across time, but the visions will not show Connor in the past, just that he is there and God is talking to him.

Hopefully, I can come up with things for Christ and Connor to say that have double meanings: to the others in the tour group, it'll reinforce they're growing belief of Connor as Christ (or at least won't give away that Connor is the Antichrist); only Connor knows that the words are intended for the Antichrist. Of course, God could give away Connor's real identity at any time, but He agreed up front not to do so.

I'll have to write up all these interactions up front to ensure it can actually be done in some way. It should be similar to the way Phanuel answers the questions of the group about why Antonio's noble deeds (eg saving Connor from the caracal at the baptism site) aren't really noble. Instead, Phanuel says Connor probably would not have been harmed by the caracal. He also says great deeds await you. Instead, I could put that in the message from Christ at each stop.

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A further refinement of the above is to use first-person narration of the historic scenes. That would really put the reader in Connor's place in the scene. If I can figure out how to do it, the scenes would allow the reader to, for example, walk on water. Walking on water is a very tricky one, though, because in the first draft, Jesus walks on water in the past, whereas Connor walks on water in the present and is attacked by the sudden storm. It'll be hard to show Connor in both the past and the present. I need to think about that some more, but putting the reader into those historic scenes would be really cool.

They'd be very short scenes, though, since I don't have the enthusiasm to research enough historical details to describe anything at the level of detail I use for those locations in the present.

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Cool ability: since Connor can use telekinesis, he ought to be able raise himself off the ground, though I intend to make it a limited ability, but if he can levitate, then he can use that ability (heightened temporarily by the wine from the Garden of Eden) to help him when he runs & jumps off the edge of Megiddo to jump over the attacking horde of demons and come at them from behind, while his cousins attack from the front. In other words, he uses telekinesis to help him stay in the air longer, while his boosted momentum from jumping from Megiddo takes him much farther than he otherwise could, over the hordes to land behind them.

The other option is to ignore telekinesis in this particular scene and make it the wine that allows him to sail over the hordes. An easier explanation.

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Telekinesis makes your job more headachey. If you can live without it, I recommend. He drinks the wine and he simply "jumps" and mov on with story.

Example problem: If Connor can generate enough force to lift himself, why can't he apply that same thrust to a needle or a bullet. That much force on a bullet is more than a gun can impart because ultimately a gun is attached to a hand and Newton's 3rd law etc. He's effectively now armed at all times.

A: The telekinesis is only up/down

Q: Can he toss ball bearings under his opponent's feet then shoot one up with his mass behind it?

A: Oh, well it only works on him

Q: Can he lift himself while carrying something like a book?

A: Certainly. Anything he could lift manually.

Q: Such as a large paving stone...

A: But he couldn't drop it on an opponent's head.

Q: But he could generate thrust using a simple can of hair spray

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LOL. Connor is already capable of telekinesis (tk). For example, at Capernaum, he uses tk to tear stones from the old ruins and hurl those with bone-crunching force at the demonic hyenas. He's also the one who topples the Baldacchino in St. Peter's Basilica. Also, I need tk to explain his ability to manipulate clouds (have them form, have them dissipate, have them concentrate into thunderstorms, etc.) and to manipulate water to generate a rainbow over St. Peter's Basilica at the end. He also uses tk during a major fight with his father halfway through book 2, and again at the climax of book 2, when God "cleanses the Temple". smile

I was merely considering whether or not to involve tk in his jump off Megiddo. He'll use tk again in his battle against De Rosa's most powerful lieutenant at the end of book 3.

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Strange problem.

You may remember, I was toying with an alternate timeline (the story timeline) to explain why things aren't going as expected when reading Revelation in that timeline. I intended to explain it with the idea that our Bible is not only inerrant but is also the only true Bible, and because it's supernatural, it's also the only Bible out there in every timeline. So, the story's timeline has an inerrant, supernatural Bible from our timeline, yet events along the story's timeline don't match the Bible, nor should they since our Bible was written for our timeline, not the story's timeline.

The alternative, I realized, is to not even mention another timeline. Instead, John wrote Revelation based on his visions of how the future will unfold (without a challenge from Satan). However, the very act of writing that, which Satan read, led to the challenge, invalidating what John had written.

But! Had John foreseen the challenge and written about it, Satan would not have issued the challenge since the second version also predicts Satan will lose.

So, whatever John writes, causes it not to happen. Yet somehow, the Bible is supposed to be inerrant. Yikes!

I'll have to find some way to document the above crazy inter-dependency between the two versions. Perhaps I should write that, although the Bible contains only one version of Revelation, either version (both of which are inerrant!) could come to pass, and humans simply have to wait for the future to unfold to see what happens.

The confusing thing for the reader is that the fake version of Revelation, written by Satan, will be erroneously regarded as one of the two inerrant versions. And some of it (the existence of a challenge) will be true. It was issued and God accepted. Although predictions made in the fraudulent version come true, it's because Satan makes sure they come true (e.g., various wars and assassinations) to lend unquestionable credibility to his version. And his version also (falsely) predicts Christ returning as a child.

I could write a third version (which is the version, with the challenge, that actually unfolds in the story, with the Antichrist masquerading as Christ). That's one of the two inerrant versions noted above. However, three versions of Revelation is a lot for the reader to wrap their mind around. If I include a third version, it would only appear at the end of the book. Of course, if that version exists and is found, it would predict the end of my trilogy, where Satan loses, which spoils a key part of the ending. That clearly suggests, I shouldn't write a third version.

Are your heads spinning yet?

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Since I've hated the term corporeal demon since almost near the beginning of the first draft, I'm strongly considering George's term: zombie demons. To be sure no one has a copyright on the word zombie, I googled and found this:

The English word zombie (Haitian French: zombi; Haitian Creole: zonbi) was first recorded in 1819. It represents an undead person who was created through the reanimation of a corpse, usually through magic or witchcraft.

An undead person created by reanimating a corpse is exactly what my corporeal demons are. In the second draft, they won't be grown from DNA but rather will simply involve demons taking over corpses and using their supernatural powers to heal minor signs of decay. The weakest demons can only keep it up for a few months; Satan can keep it up indefinitely.

A typical characteristic of zombies, though, is that they don't speak, whereas many of mine have to. Also, I don't know enough about zombies, but the film clips I've seen over the years had them all moving quite slowly (walking). My demons can move quite quickly when they need to (e.g., the zombie nuns in Nazareth).

Am I violating any well-established rules of zombies if they can speak and run?

I could try to come up with a different word, but the fact that zombies are reanimated corpses, fits perfectly. The downside of the term is that a Catholic thriller with zombies will probably cost me some of the potential audience since I'm going for a mostly serious trilogy.

Alternatives to zombie demons include: physical demons (yawn), solid/hard demons (yuck), bodily demons, and fleshy demons (love this one). I think I like fleshy demons even better than zombie demons.

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The short form for fleshy demons would simply be fleshies.

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Zombies move quite quickly in World War Z.
https://gamerant.com/fast-zombie-trope- … ays-later/

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Other possible names for corporeals is demon shells, demon corpses (even while still "alive"), and demon stiffs.

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

How about demon flesh, demon meat, demon corps (pronounced like Marine Corps)?

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>>How about demon flesh, demon meat, demon corps (pronounced like Marine Corps)?
But then the short form would be demon. I'm trying to save that term to be synonymous with demonic spirits.

There's also meatbags/bags of meat instead of fleshies/zombies.
I could also use meltface, although I originally had that in mind for corporeal demons in the final battle of book 3 who allow their faces to melt to scare enemy soldiers.
Cadavers?
And let's not forget fury (plural furies). Except mine are very dissimilar from furies as defined by the ancient Greeks.

So far fleshies and meltfaces are my favorites. For meltface, I could have my corporeals' faces begin to dissolve as they start getting shot, either to scare the shooter or because they're "dying", probably the former.

EDIT: Grumpy and grumpies! I like this even better than fleshy/fleshies.

EDIT2: I think meltface wins because I like the idea of their faces starting to melt right away to scare whoever is shooting at them. Admittedly, I also still like grumpy/grumpies.

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

grumpies makes me think of carebears

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Demonic teddy bears! Great idea.

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I'm not giving up. Deathies, or deathlies or deathers.

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Meltface won because I love the idea of the demons' faces starting to melt whenever they attack to scare their targets. Thank you both for your help.

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Dirk B. wrote:

Demonic teddy bears! Great idea.

Theodore Sturgeon: The Professor's Teddy Bear

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Are you saying that was part of your childhood, Professor Hinkley? smile

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Just spent the whole day applying edits from a stack of 30+ reviews. Then I counted. Only 36 to go. Kill me now.

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I'm considering a slight switch. The "common" name for corporeal demons could be meatbag, and the other names could be nicknames for them (grumpy, meltface, and maybe zombie). The Order of the Black Cassocks (De Rosa's secret team of Antichrist/demon hunters) would use those terms in addition to their common name, meatbag. Also, it occurred to me that characters like Nnamani would probably prefer a more formal term for them. Corporeal, perhaps?

Thoughts?

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Question. I finally described what demonic spirits look like, and they do not look like angels, who look like the most stunning of humans (details TBD). Due to the evil tendencies of demonic spirits, their spirit forms have turned nasty looking. They look like rotting (partially decomposed) human corpses with wings. I love that look for them. It's also easy for the reader to visualize.

The conundrum is that demon spirits in the new draft cannot grow bodies from DNA (too hokey). Instead, they can turn dead bodies into zombies. They enter the dead body of someone who hasn't decayed too much, heal minimal signs of decay, absorb whatever knowledge there is in the dead human's brain, and then proceed to use that body as if it were still alive.

If I stick with the current look of demonic spirits, it'll mean they look like rotting humans, and they take over (slightly) rotting humans' bodies in order to function. There's a consistency there, but I wonder if it's a good idea for the spirits to look like their stolen bodies. I need to make sure the reader knows which one I'm talking about at all times.

Among other things, when you shoot a zombie, the closer you get to destroying it, the more its zombie body will decompose in front of your eyes. It's face will melt, and it will eventually dissolve completely if you shoot it often enough to "terminate" the little [censored]. Once terminated, the spirit arises from it, looking very similar to the decomposing body.

There's a lot of duplication there and the potential to confuse the reader, so I'm considering changing the look of their spirit forms, assuming I can figure out another look for the spirits that's as gruesome as a rotting human with wings. I'm leaning toward changing their look to something else.

Thoughts?

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

I didn't get why the spirit would look like the owner... one assumes that spirit isn't the original manufacturer model and would look like the possessor

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If I proceeded as intended, then demonic spirits always look like rotting corpses. It's their spirit form I'm referring to here.
When a spirit assumes control of a dead body, it looks like the dead body brought back to life. When it can no longer maintain that dead body (e.g., hit with too many bullets), the spirit takes off and its spirit form still looks like the rotting corpse it will always looked like. Meanwhile, the dead body it abandoned turns into rotting flesh and/or liquified remains.

The fact that I'm having to explain this in detail tells me to find a different look for the demonic spirits.

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You could have the spirits look like the arrancar from Bleach. Would give them moxie