Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.
Teens are horny because teens used to marry for most of human history.
Clarification: It wasn't God who created the capacity for premarital sex. In 1653, mankind made it possible
Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi → Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.
Teens are horny because teens used to marry for most of human history.
Clarification: It wasn't God who created the capacity for premarital sex. In 1653, mankind made it possible
>> Teens are horny because teens used to marry for most of human history. Back-checking on google, in 1610 the age of consent was 12. The act of 1653 moved it up to 14 (Women) 16 (Men)
Excellent point K. You had kids early and often. Otherwise, diseases, war, famine, and etc. would have wiped out the human race. I'm of the opinion that even if you were homosexual way back when that generally you were expected to procreate. Everyone needed you to generate children for shear survival. So, my hypothesis is that all homosexuals were bisexual. They would find out who had similar proclivities and spent time with them on the side while generating children. Or the homosexuals just kept quiet and still had some fun generating children.
Connor's views on straight vs gay sex goes something like:
"Won't having sex with you turn me into a homosexual?" the teen asked.
Connor laughed. "Your innocence and dopiness are adorable. It doesn't work that way. Gay people are just as repulsed by straight sex as straight people are by gay sex. Difference is, gay people won't beat you to death just for being straight."
In other words, I doubt many gay men were procreating with straight women in the past. To me, that suggests they would be bisexual men, not gay. Few people, if any, would be thinking about the survival of the human race if they didn't procreate. People had kids for personal reasons: kids worked long hours, whether on a farm or elsewhere, to provide cheap labor to support their families; they were also expected to help support their parents in their old age (still true in many countries); and they were a bit of insurance in case disease killed some of them, which was common. My grandfather was one of 16 siblings (yikes!), only 14 of whom lived to adulthood (I have a billion second cousins in Germany, most of whom I don't even know).
Connor's question r.e. whether the kid is a virgin will be forgotten as soon as the reader gets a look at Connor's (aka Christ's) views on homosexuality. Some people's heads will no doubt explode. I do have the kid ask whether Connor is the Antichrist "as some people claim," but Connor bats that away easily. The purpose of the kid's question is to remind the reader that Connor's views are those of the Antichrist, not Christ. There won't be anyone to give an opposing point of view, though, since the seduction happens in secret behind (conquered) Vatican walls.
You should see his views on the inevitable death of Christianity had He (Connor) not returned to save it. He blames Christian leaders for not doing enough to tackle it, which shows that "they've already been seduced by Satan. Christians are so busy guarding the front door that they didn't even notice he snuck in the back door. The Unholy Trinity would have conquered the Catholic Church by now were it not for my early return."
I'm still waffling over whether Connor's seduced teen is 16 (like Connor) or 18. I originally intended him to be 16 since it might help explain how come he's fairly easily seduced even though he's the son of a Protestant minister, whereas it might be less objectionable to some readers if he's an adult (not sure about that). I'm leaning back toward 16. Connor seducing a minor would probably ruffle a lot of feathers even though he's the AC. But from the story's perspective, Connor seducing a minor is exactly what the AC should do. Naturally, sex in the story, whether gay or straight, is implied, never shown.
>>In other words, I doubt many gay men were procreating with straight women in the past. To me, that suggests they would be bisexual men, not gay. Few people, if any, would be thinking about the survival of the human race if they didn't procreate. People had kids for personal reasons: kids worked long hours, whether on a farm or elsewhere, to provide cheap labor to support their families; they were also expected to help support their parents in their old age (still true in many countries); and they were a bit of insurance in case disease killed some of them, which was common.
I admit it. I've always just put gay and bisexual in the same boat. You're saying I'm wrong?!?!?! Hmm. Nothing like learning something new. I've heard of hetero men going to prison and doing homo stuff then getting out and returning to hetero. Can't it work with homo men needing to increase the family using women and then doing homo stuff on the side? I was not expecting this conversation!
They may not have been thinking in terms of the human race but like you said in terms of family, tribe, nation. I'd assume family would override almost anything.
I think hetero prisoners having gay relationships is the rare exception, not the norm, otherwise it would come up all the time. There are a considerable number of Americans who still think homosexuality is a choice, and they would seize on every opportunity to make their case, just as they used to point to men who, following conversion therapy, declared themselves straight. Problem was, some of those shining examples blew up spectacularly, when they went back to being gay. I remember one of them, a very vocal convert, was caught inside a gay bar (or club), and he wasn't there preaching the joys of conversion. :-) There's a reason why conversion therapy is increasingly banned for minors.
Given how shameful it was to be gay in centuries past, it doesn't surprise me that some married, perhaps had kids, and "dabbled" on the side. I have to wonder, though, how many of them were actually bisexual instead of homosexual. Either way, I'm betting some of their spouses weren't thrilled with the sex life. :) Another common alternative was to move away from home.
I remember hearing (reading?) a quote from a gay activist who said that if straight people want to know what gay people think of straight sex, those straight people should try to picture themselves having gay sex. I may have Connor say something like that, although the scene with Connor's homosexual views in the book are already likely to be too long and need trimming. As usual, he's also trying to piss Satan off. :)
Connor expresses fairly liberal opinions on homosexuality which isn't surprising since he's bisexual. His willingness to push his lover, whom he's grooming as a young leader to gather other young people as converts, to adopt less conservative views is an attempt to cast a wide, inclusive net to appeal to not just gays, who are a small minority of the population, but to the many young people who strongly support gay rights because they consider the bigoted views of older generations incomprehensible.
Christ (Connor) is woke!
One of the details I'm still working through is Satan's reactions to all this. He's repeatedly having to explain away Connor's reckless behavior toward visiting dignitaries, including many Protestants, who come to the Vatican to see for themselves whether Connor is Christ. They make the mistake of asking Connor to show them a miracle once too often. As a result, he chooses a Protestant minister's two sons as volunteers for the demonstration. He offers the sons a drink, which Connor also consumes, containing a relatively minor, short-acting poison.
The sons become sick (Connor doesn't) at which point Connor explains that he poisoned them, but that he's willing to save one of them, whichever their father picks. Connor quotes from the Bible that you should not put the Lord to the test. Fortunately, one of the sons (his future lover) recognizes the words and is able to name the chapter and verse for each instance where words to that effect appear in the Bible. Connor "cures" both sons in response to that and invites his future lover to stay at the Vatican.
Satan has to sit there throughout all this, on the verge of a stroke. :P I may have Connor comment to that effect: "Angelo, you don't look well. Are you having a stroke?"
This version of Connor is so much more fun to write than in book one.
I'm trying to figure out the best explanation for why mass-casualty weapons don't work on or near Megiddo, where Connor, De Rosa, their human armies, angels, and demons face off at the end of book three. Originally, I thought no functioning electronics whatsoever (e.g., no tanks, armored vehicles, drones, etc.). However, that still leaves both sides with pistols, grenades, shoulder-launched missiles, as well as semi and fully automatic assault rifles/machine guns. Needless to say, that's still too lethal. So, in addition to no electronics, explosives don't work either, which includes bullets. That leaves horses, swords, knives, arrows, spears, and catapults (and probably a number of things I'm forgetting).
I can either justify it as the Father not wanting mass-casualty weapons used at Megiddo, where the Lord will soon appear, or the Father wanting to prevent further mass casualty events across Earth prior to the Lord's return. The latter is a difficult argument to make since the final months, weeks, and days before the 2nd Coming are filled with (super)natural disasters. I don't recall offhand, though, if any of the "elect" (those intended to be saved) are harmed during that period, but I believe so. Of course, that depends on which denominations one talks about since a Catholic interpretation of Revelation is somewhat confusing. I don't recall at the moment what some of the events in Revelation mean from a Catholic perspective.
I know Catholics do not generally believe in a final battle against the Lord's hosts, which is why I created a different battle, primarily De Rosa vs Connor, with angels and demons joining in to protect each side's human armies. A third possibility is simply that only Old Testament weapons work at Megiddo without trying to explain why that might be the case. For some reason, modern technology has stopped working there leading up to the Lord's return.
Since I prefer not to cherry pick too much among different denominations when it comes to what Christian perspective I'll most closely follow, I'll stick primarily with Catholicism, except for some major deviations like a final battle. At the end of book one, Connor sets up the idea that he (as Christ) will try to sway all Christians toward Catholicism since it's easier to manage one denomination than it is 45,000. There will be Protestant characters in the book, but I simply don't have enough years of life left to dig deeply into Protestantism, Islam, Jews, and the many non-Abrahamic religions. :-) Connor will use the same approach with the other religions: try to convince them that he's God and that they should follow him. Since Jesus is not God in Islam, Connor will probably topple Islamic holy places until they come around to the belief that he actually is Allah. Anyone who doesn't want to believe at that point will simply be ignored until Connor and Satan have destroyed Christ.
I had a neat idea for book three. Since Connor needs a human fighting force at the beginning of the final battle, I thought that Connor, being the result of genetic manipulation based on Satan's millennia-old breeding program, would have had predecessors from the breeding program. Turns out, many of them are still alive, even though Satan had ordered them destroyed once Connor was born. The program was run from a compound in the the jungles of South America, run by a trainer who took pity on the last batch of kids created for the program, so he led them to a local priest, who assumed their care.
In book three, Connor learns of their existence, so he goes there to discover the rescued kids all look very similar to him, he being the culmination of the breeding program. All those kids (now young adults) have powers similar to Connor, just not as powerful. The reason Connor is stronger than expected is because Campagna is his mother.
Satan's zombie body is a dead version of one of the past generation of kids from the program, whose DNA Satan forced into Campagna's body for the birth of the Antichrist. Satan is unaware of how powerful Connor is as a result of being Campagna's son.
The problem with the breeding program is that it eventually runs into a dead end, when the last few batches of kids turn out to be increasingly sterile. Satan's zombie body was created long before the batch of sterile kids, so he can still reproduce using his assumed body.
Connor tells his predecessors from the breeding program the truth about what Satan had been doing with them, and asks for them to fight for him, which they agree to do. The end result is that a batch of super powered young adults become Connor's human army in the battle.
There are some issues with making this work and simplifying the details, but it could be a great way to give Connor an interesting ancestry and a cool fighting force for the final battle, all relatives of Connor through Satan's zombie DNA. And it should be a great addition to the plot. These kids all underwent rigorous training before Satan ordered them destroyed, including knife and sword fighting. Handy, huh? Connor also undergoes similar training in preparation for the battle, probably overseen by Michael the Archangel, an ancient friend of Adam's. Connor is a natural at this, in part because of his enhanced intelligence, strength, and speed and in part because all his ancestors were bred to be good fighters.
I'll have to come up with a reason why Campagna's DNA makes Connor so powerful. Perhaps it's just random luck involving the DNA, although I'd prefer a better explanation. TBD.
The breeding program might completely eliminate the need to have a geneticist in the story. Not sure yet.
I had a neat idea for book three. Since Connor needs a human fighting force at the beginning of the final battle, I thought that Connor, being the result of genetic manipulation based on Satan's millennia-old breeding program, would have had predecessors from the breeding program. Turns out, many of them are still alive, even though Satan had ordered them destroyed once Connor was born. The program was run from a compound in the the jungles of South America, run by a trainer who took pity on the last batch of kids created for the program, so he led them to a local priest, who assumed their care.
People have found cities or architectural structures in South Americ. Maybe you could attribute them to the breeding program.
Neutral thoughts here. I feel it's a lot to pack into 3 books, but will have to wait to see the execution
People have found cities or architectural structures in South America. Maybe you could attribute them to the breeding program.
Yeah, I thought of that too. In theory, I could use one of the lost cities as the "compound" where these kids live and train. I had thought to bring supplies into the compound, which would have required a road or river, but I could just as easily require that the kids eat whatever they can find/catch, otherwise they go hungry. Naturally, they'll eat bugs and worms. And civilization is dozens of miles away through the jungle, and they have no idea where it is and how to get there. So, I don't even need to add fencing or walls around the compound. In fact, one of the tests is to be led out of the compound blindfolded for a number of miles, tied up, and left alone to find their way back.
One of the powers i might give some of them is the ability to sense life forces in the jungle and even communicate with them, be it animals, vegetation, or otherwise (Connor talks to animals in book one). The kids who can do that have the best chance of finding their way back. Occasionally, though, some of the kids say screw it and decide not to look for the way back. There could be stories over the centuries about white kids occasionally stumbling into native villages, usually by following a stream or river. Medical supplies are not needed at the compound since all of the kids have the same powerful immune system as Connor. In fact, if someone is so seriously injured that they require outside medical assistance, they're simply left to die. Basically, a nasty place.
Not all of this will make it into the books, and some of it is sure to change as I get closer to writing book three. I'd like to find a way to hint at the existence of this compound and the breeding program, if not in book one, then definitely in book two, otherwise it will seem like it came out of nowhere and was never really properly set up in the overall story.
Neutral thoughts here. I feel it's a lot to pack into 3 books, but will have to wait to see the execution
A brief history about the compound and breeding program can be related to Connor by one of his genetic relatives, so it doesn't all have to be experienced firsthand by Connor, although I definitely think he should visit the compound. Perhaps that's where the most recent generation of kids still live, hiding away because people fear their powers. That could lead to a coordinated attack by superstitious locals while Connor is there. I think he should also be challenged by one of the kids (alpha male), who wants to see if he can best Connor and take over as leader. They fight physically and Connor seems to lose, pinned to the ground by the other kid. Just when the kid thinks he's stronger and better, Connor surprises him by throwing the kid off and overpowering him. This could be the first reveal that Connor is truly more powerful than any of the others. Another step in revealing his true power to the other characters and the reader could come while Connor is being trained by St. Michael. It might even be a surprise to Connor just how strong he really is. The final step would be during the battle, when Connor holds nothing back when fighting the demons. Heads will fly!
What's great about the compound is that it's already there. You don't have to make it and then magically hide it. To me it adds to the mystery and the reality. Hope this makes sense.
I like not having to have a "formal" compound. If they're deep in the jungle, there's no need for walls around the compound, the conditions would be harsh since Satan wants to toughen the kids up, there's no need to provide food for them, water they can get from a nearby river and rainwater, minimal clothing from the outside world (I'm thinking loin cloths and no shoes; it's always hot and humid there anyway), and if they're stupid enough to get lost foraging for food, then Satan doesn't want them anyway. He's not looking for someone he has to rescue. It's a good thing I never ran an orphanage, huh?
Satan's breeding program seems somewhat like the Bene Gesserit's attempt to create the Kwisatz Haderach, except Satan has the kids on a tight leash when it comes to who breeds with whom (yes, there are girls there too). I now have two potential roles for a geneticist: determine who reproduces with whom to bring about certain desirable characteristics in the offspring, and mess with Connor's DNA prior to insemination to make him even more powerful than the others, while simultaneously creating within him an overwhelming genetic urge to serve his father. FYI, the geneticist is a former disciple of Joseph Mengele, spirited out of Germany after WW2. One of the things the geneticist does early on is to adjust his own DNA to extend his lifespan since it's yet unknown when the end will come, and the breeding program has to continue until the Antichrist has been successfully created.
A third role for the geneticist would be to keep a handwritten journal documenting much of what he has done. That journal makes it into Romano's hands midway through book 2, who shows Connor that his overwhelming urge to serve his father, which Connor mistook for love of his father, is nothing more than genetic manipulation. And it comes with a built-in guarantee: if ever someone were to turn off the gene(s) involved, the carrier of the gene(s) will die, although it takes about two years, which gets us right to the end of trilogy, when Connor will be 18.
One big issue for me is to explain how the geneticist is able to perform/perfect all this research, which is light years ahead of modern genetics. Satan's breeding program will help. Many of the "supernatural" abilities of Connor and his predecessors were developed through the millennia-old breeding program. I'd like a better explanation, though, for why Campagna's genes turn what would be a powerful offspring into a superhuman. Even Connor doesn't know the limits of his powers. He thinks he does, but he's never faced a situation requiring him push himself so hard that his genes turn him from powerful into superhuman, similar to what happens to the Duncan Idaho ghola in one of the later Dune books. Wish me luck trying to explain, even at a rudimentary level, how that is possible. Probably no one will have an actual answer, although the characters can speculate about it.
One possibility is the way long-distance runners are eventually able to run non-stop (until they run out of readily available fuel), far beyond whatever wall previously prevented them from doing so. That happened to me many years ago, and the endorphins were firing on all cylinders, which is probably part of what kept me going.
Just a quick note before I forget: Although Connor's soul was provided by God as part of the wager with Satan, Connor's predecessors originated far in the past from human parents, and all descendants through to the present day are fully human, the result of Satan's carefully controlled breeding program. Both boys and girls are part of the program, so both lineages can be controlled to produce the Antichrist more quickly since, as Christ said in the NT, no one knows when the end will come except the Father. Turns out it comes not long after prophecy about the coming of the Antichrist is fulfilled. Just in the nick of time, too. Close one!
>> FYI, the geneticist is a former disciple of Joseph Mengele, spirited out of Germany after WW2. One of the things the geneticist does early on is to adjust his own DNA to extend his lifespan since it's yet unknown when the end will come, and the breeding program has to continue until the Antichrist has been successfully created.
Very interesting historical twist. Could you perhaps have the former disciple of Mengele show up as Mengele's son? The Angel of Death's son. Find an appropriate name of course!
The only issue is that some people will state that God limited man's age to 120 years. That is up to interpretation. Apparently, that might have been the time when the flood was to occur 120 years in the future.
I'm a little nervous about breeding in supernatural powers but will comment later.
>The only issue is that some people will state that God limited man's age to 120 years. That is up to interpretation.
The oldest person ever whose age has been independently verified is Jeanne Calment (1875–1997) of France, who lived to the age of 122 years and 164 days. It definitely needs reinterpreting.
Can't use Mengele's son since he really did have a son, who is still alive. That could get me sued.
>I'm a little nervous about breeding in supernatural powers but will comment later.
It's no different than if the powers were the result of artificially editing the human genome. Basically, my story implies that humans can have such powers (i.e., the "potential" to have such powers exists in all humans), whether by editing the genome or breeding the necessary edits into the genome.
>The only issue is that some people will state that God limited man's age to 120 years. That is up to interpretation.
The oldest person ever whose age has been independently verified is Jeanne Calment (1875–1997) of France, who lived to the age of 122 years and 164 days. It definitely needs reinterpreting.Can't use Mengele's son since he really did have a son, who is still alive. That could get me sued.
Even a bastard son? An unknown bastard son?
Yeah, I'd rather not go there. Although he's 80, if he lives long enough for my books to get finished, any "son' could be seen to be a disguised version of the real one. Highly unlikely, but why go there? Also, my story has a subplot where a group of super-humans has been bred by evil. Remind you of any historical regimes? A daughter I could see using as the geneticist. I'm always looking for good roles for women in this story.
I was trying to think of a better way to handle the fact that Connor is much more powerful than his "cousins" from the breeding program, rather than just say it's due to some unknown in Campagna's DNA. If I do use the mother's DNA as the source of why Connor is much more powerful, the geneticist could be the one who verifies that her DNA augments the DNA that Satan bred into the kids he used. In other words, she could be a carrier of the genes for those abilities, though not herself able to benefit from them. But when you combine them with De Rosa's enhanced DNA (from his breeding program), you get Connor, the most powerful human of all time. But, you ask, how did she get those genes? Simple. One of her ancestors was among the few who ever escaped from the South American compound. Since her ancestor took off, she's descended from a breeding line that Satan lost access to. After many generations, she's a wild variable unintentionally injected into the breeding program by Satan himself, when he raped her. How's that for karma?
Although Connor is the most powerful human, he's not as powerful as he'll be when he eventually gets into the final battle. There are a number of ways I could handle that. For example, perhaps St. Michael brings him ancient wine derived from fruit from the Garden of Eden. I like that, but Connor may also go back to the Sea of Galilee for some skinny dipping at the urging of everyone's favorite kooks, Moses and Elijah. If you recall, an angel in book one confirmed that the waters had been blessed by Christ, perhaps when he performed his miracles there (e.g., Peter's huge catch of fish), and that the waters are supernatural. That's why modern Christians go to the area to be baptized in its waters. The waters or the wine, or both, enhance his powers to a degree he doesn't realize until he gets into battle. I'm thinking of having Michael withhold true knowledge about what the wine can do; he'll tell Connor a made-up legend of the wine's powers to improve virility, or some similar nonsense. Connor will discover his power boost when he enters battle.
When you combine Connor's DNA-driven abilities with the wine and Galilean water, he goes off the scale, power-wise. For example, he'll be able to swing his sword across the throat of a demon, decapitating him. But, there's nothing too special about that. Where the fun starts is when the heads of the next three demons near the decapitated one also go flying off, all the result of Connor's first slash. Since one sword can't reach four heads at once (unless they surround him), the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th demons are decapitated by a directed concussive force or shockwave resulting from the power of Connor's slash. It happens so fast, the force/wave behaves as if an extension of the sword itself. Physics-wise, it's total crap, but I don't care. It's a cool effect that I intend to use a number of times during the battle.
Better yet, Connor has his cousins join him for a swim in Galilee, and Michael shares some of the same wine with them. Naturally, they won't reach Connor's level of power (only he'll have the ability to mow down multiple enemies with just a slash, punch, or kick), but it would be easy for a small fighting force to hold its own against a much larger army of demons. One issue will be the stench of so many demon corpses in close proximity.
Last item, then I'm going to bed: Naming contest. I need a great name for Connor to call his genetically enhanced cousins, which includes both young men and women. He could call them simply "cousins", but I'm hoping for something more interesting, relevant to the story.
G'night.
Sorry, I might have missed it but:
the mother's DNA as the source of why Connor is much more powerful, the geneticist could be the one who verifies that her DNA augments the DNA that Satan bred into the kids he used
Why stop at only one Connor? Why not make backups?
There are effectively backups. The most recent generation from the breeding program, although I guess that means Satan shouldn't order the death of the rest of the kids.
The other option is for someone to explain that once the Antichrist is born, Satan will not receive another soul for another kid.
If I read correctly, you don't need a unique soul. You only need Campagna's DNA added to the existing batch. Why not kidnap her and make a few more Connors.
UNLESS the backup Connors won't have souls in which case abortion is okay because pregnancies don't create souls?
Every human life requires a soul (of course), and although Satan can screw or rape as many women as he wants, God will only grant him the opportunity to procreate once using the soul God provides so that the Antichrist can be born. If there's miscarriage or the newborn dies at childbirth or later, Satan will once again be at risk of ending up in the Lake of Fire. However, God sees to it that that doesn't happen.
Connor's "cousins" are fully human, descended from real human parents from the beginning of the breeding program. Thereafter, the descendants are mostly a mix of boys and girls raised within the program, so each of them has a human soul. That continues for two millennia, ever since Satan read an early copy of Revelation (late first century). As you can imagine, he doesn't like the outcome, so he cooks up the wager with God, which requires that God provide a soul once Satan was ready to breed.
Satan kills one of the adults who was in the breeding program to get the guy's body and DNA, which Satan takes over (i.e. De Rosa's zombie body). All Satan has to do then is find some poor woman to serve as the AC's mother. De Rosa rapes her, mixing his DNA and hers. Her DNA is descended from someone who escaped the breeding program long ago, a lineage then lost to Satan. Her "wild" genes combined with De Rosa's genes from the breeding program is what gives Connor greater powers than those of his cousins and father. God provides Adam's soul at the moment of conception, and Connor is born.
De Rosa had no idea Campagna was a descendant of the breeding program. One sticky issue is why didn't Satan have Connor's genes looked at. Even though De Rosa knows this is the Antichrist, and safely assumes Connor is generally safe from an early death (the cousins all have powerful immune systems and are able to heal quickly from illness or injury), one would think he'd still be interesting in knowing how Connor's DNA differs from his own. Plot hole, for now.
In Catholicism, life begins at conception.
The fact that Satan chooses to rape Campagna, leading to the whole cascade of events in the trilogy, is pure coincidence, but I find those in interesting stories all the time. I think it's great when you can tie your characters to the heart of the plot. Connor's anger at the fact that Satan raped his mother leads to a cascade of events resulting in Satan's demise. After stabbing Satan with the dagger intended for Christ, Connor tells the dying Satan: I loved you, father, and I would torn the Earth in two for you, but you raped my mother for sport. ... Your evil acts created me, and in so doing, you sealed your fate.
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