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It seems little Anikh will be returning in v3, having been totally dumped mid-story in v2. She's the girl Joseph rescued from the hospital who died in his arms and took up residence in his head. I didn't have a good use for her. Until Bill K. returned to TNBW! His review gave me the idea to resurrect her. Picture Regan from the Exorcist (her head all a twirling) in Joseph's head. Her new name in v3 will be Billie, naturally. Among other things, she's going to be the ghost who takes on the pedophile guard in King of the Slaves. No need for Joseph to do it when I can let her at him! I have got to rewatch the Exorcist! She can also take over in a TBD prison scene where Joseph is almost raped. She'll be off pouting when Joseph really needs her to kick the shogun's ass.

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Interesting if Billie deals with a couple of the resident consciousnesses in Joseph's head. If they stop talking so that she can gain a bigger chunk of the mental real estate.

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They all want increased time with the body. Joseph kept them mostly in check during v2. I was saving the subplot of Andrew taking over for book two. But, hey, why wait? I'm going to make Billie so nasty even Andrew is afraid of her!

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I can only suggest two things about Billie/Anikh. 1) she has to play a part in moving the narrative forward, why did God put her there? How will her being there, causing mischief, determine the outcome of Joe's journey. 2)if she is an evil entity, her backstory should be consistent, was she a bad person? A killer. Another nagging issue, since we are delving into the supernatural, what are the laws of the universe that govern these players? As a scifi reader I am anticipating a grand ultra universe with forces at work trying to influence the outcome of our universe. This has good potential.

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Sometimes he writes so he can pull off Star Trek puns. The punier the better:-)

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amy s wrote:

Sometimes he writes so he can pull off Star Trek puns. The punier the better:-)

Don't you mean 'the punnier'?

No, I suppose you don't.

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yes, I'm accusing njc of erudition

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bill kandiliotis wrote:

I can only suggest two things about Billie/Anikh. 1) she has to play a part in moving the narrative forward, why did God put her there? How will her being there, causing mischief, determine the outcome of Joe's journey. 2)if she is an evil entity, her backstory should be consistent, was she a bad person? A killer. Another nagging issue, since we are delving into the supernatural, what are the laws of the universe that govern these players? As a scifi reader I am anticipating a grand ultra universe with forces at work trying to influence the outcome of our universe. This has good potential.

There will be some brief hints before she dies that all is not as it seems. Maybe she rolls her eyeballs up into her head, claiming it's a nervous tic. TBD. At first, Joseph will welcome her to his head. Who would do otherwise for a sweet little girl? Later, once her sinister nature becomes evident, there will be a discussion with God about why she's there. Apparently, it's to help Joseph found his religion, although God won't explain why. She does sh*t that Joseph wants but would rarely dare do himself. She also does things that will horrify Joseph.

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She also does things that will horrify Joseph.

Such as shooting helpless opponents?

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Kdot wrote:

She also does things that will horrify Joseph.

Such as shooting helpless opponents?

No, she's more of a physical fighter. She beats their brains in. She's present at the fight between Joseph and Apollo at the Neuer Mond dinner. Apollo, of course, has his enhanced abilities from God. Joseph will have Billie. I still need to make Joseph lose, though, so Joseph has to find a way to reign her in.

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Check out the battles near the end of Kate Paulk's =ConVent= and =ConSensual=, especially where the angels end up on the wrong side of things.

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amy s wrote:

Sometimes he writes so he can pull off Star Trek puns. The punier the better:-)

That's a lovely red chemise you're wearing, Dr. Ess.

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Didn't I already get pulled apart limb-from-limb by legions of screaming fans?

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Flayed alive, actually. Useless trivia: it turns out, the origin of chemises dates back to Roman tunics, and has at various times been both a man's or women's garment or undergarment.

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Yup. A T tunic is standard item of clothing that uses a maximum of fabric with only two seams if you don't finish the neckline. Usually the only difference between men and women was the length of the garment.

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A.T.Schlesinger's post in Premium regarding his query letter led me to try and expand my book's summary on this site. I moved mine here so as not to further highjack ATS's thread. Goodness, I caused a kerfuffle there today. The following is also intended for any query letter, Amazon product description, and printed back cover. Preference? Anything missing? Too much?

Old:
Into the Mind of God is the story of Joseph and Apollo, teenagers who live worlds apart but share a common bond — both are visited by a being who calls himself God. God takes each of them on an incredible journey to fulfill their destinies. With God’s help, one leads a holy crusade to conquer a perilously divided galaxy, while the other founds a radical new religion to steer mankind away from the Apocalypse. Ultimately, their destinies will collide, something neither may survive. But is God a real deity, or the imagination of two mentally ill boys?

New:
Joseph and Apollo are teenagers living in the 41st century who grow up worlds apart but share a common bond — both are visited by a being who calls himself God. God takes each of them on an incredible journey to fulfill their destinies. With God’s help, Apollo, heir to Earth’s grand Imperium Romanum, leads a holy crusade to conquer a perilously divided galaxy. At the same time, God helps Joseph, the deeply religious crown prince of the strategic world New Bethlehem, found a radical new religion to steer humanity away from the Apocalypse. Ultimately, the teens' destinies will collide, something neither may survive. But is God a real deity, or the imagination of two mentally ill boys?

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highlighting were my eyes rested...

Joseph and Apollo are teenagers living in the 41st century who grow up worlds apart but share a common bond — both are visited by a being who calls himself God. God takes each of them on an incredible journey to fulfill their destinies. With God’s help, Apollo, heir to Earth’s grand Imperium Romanum, leads a holy crusade to conquer a perilously divided galaxy. At the same time, God helps Joseph, the deeply religious crown prince of the strategic world New Bethlehem, found a radical new religion to steer humanity away from the Apocalypse. Ultimately, the teens' destinies will collide, something neither may survive. But is God a real deity, or the imagination of two mentally ill boys?

Some of the words I've deliberately overlooked (so you can see my thought process):
living > that they're alive is implied
grow up > implied they're growing at least a little unless they both die in chapter 1 paragraph 1
common bond > implied by them being mentioned together
incredible journey > superlative / advertising speakum
deeply > I realze you meant deeply with respect to Apollo but it reads out of phase here
religion > appears a lot in this little paragraph if we shall equate God / holy / religion / crusade
(destiny appears a lot too)
I dropped Imperium Romanum for reasons I'll make a separate post about
didn't like perilously because a) adjective b) it's not that "divided" when it's 3 parties but kept for now

And then taking what you wrote and joining all the blue parts:

Jospeph and Apollo, 41st century teenagers, are visited each by a being who calls himself God. Apollo, heir to Earth's human Empire, leads a crusade against a perilously divided galaxy.  Joseph, crown prince of the strategic world New Bethlehem, founds a radical religion to steer humanity from the brink of Apocalypse. Destiny calls, and each teen has help from God. Bit is this God entity real or imagination of the mentally ill?

Other notes:
a) I tried to shave off words wherever I could by joining / grouping concepts.
b) tried to get religion fown to 3 mentions (crusade / religion / Apocalypse)
c) Made God realer by asserting he's an entity (as written that last line forces him to be imaginary in the head of a believer)

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You've been a busy little Canadian beaver, Kdot. Much appreciated. However, I wasn't trying for the shortest possible blurb, but rather wording that suggests sweeping epic. Whether I actually succeed in writing one is another matter entirely. :-)  I like that you've cut out a number of religious references, so I used that. It reads much better and keeps the word count low while adding more info about the setting and characters. I didn't understand the difference between you calling God an entity vs. a deity. I use them interchangeably. I tried several different variations of the first sentence, but found Janet TP's version preferable as the opening words intended to draw readers to the book. I managed to keep it around 100 words.

Joseph and Apollo are teenagers living in the 41st century who grow up worlds apart but share a common bond — both are visited by a being who calls himself God. This entity takes each of them on an incredible journey to fulfill their destinies. Apollo, heir to Earth’s grand Imperium Romanum, leads a crusade to conquer a perilously divided galaxy. Joseph, the deeply religious crown prince of the pivotal world New Bethlehem, founds a radical new faith to steer humanity away from the Apocalypse. Ultimately, their destinies will collide, something neither may survive. But is God a real deity, or the imagination of two mentally ill boys?

Thanks!
Dirk

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I wasn't going for short, I was going for "glue the most interesting stuff together". Don't think of it like me snipping words to death but of pruning filler to bring out the flavour of the meat.

Also, I tried to stay true to the original, otherwise "destiny" would have been gone entirely (when a writer tells me "X is destined to do Y" what they mean is go ahead and skip to the final chapter because (i) X will succeed at Y or (ii) X will fail at Y and you're read this whole story for nothing)

deity vs entity:
Bob met with Joe and the followers of the Bing deity
Bob met with Joe and the followers of the Bing entity
If you can't see a subtle nuance in the second sentence that makes Bing realer, I will back away from this one

"Mentally ill"
is a very strong word. I mean very very strong. Not quite as offensive as some of the other words. recommend "Mentally challenged" or "mental disorder". I'm not saying don't use ill... just saying that if you put tomatoes on your sandwich, you must be prepared to get tomato flavour in every bite.

Overall, I find it approaches the concept of the story and what I presume to be the central theme. Don't let me bully you out of it

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What you presume to be the central theme?

Oh dear. You've read all of v2 and aren't sure of the theme. Curious. What do you think the theme is?

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Mentally ill is very very strong? That's news to me, but so much the better. Mentally challenged doesn't quite have the same drawing power. And if God isn't real, then these two are seriously ill, especially after I put Billie in Joseph's head and Nero into Apollo's head.

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"Mentally ill" is a polite word you're used to hearing used as a weapon against you if you suffer from any a mental health problem. I would recommend saving such a word for character speech. Used in the right place, it will really colour your principals. Used while I'm making a buying decision, it will worry me.

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This is a tough one. having not read to the end yet, this 'real or imaginary' concept puts a heavy assumption in the readers head. The chances that two galactic young leaders suffering from delusions are slim so from reading this I would think God obviously has a hand in this, that there is some kind of cosmic master plan at play here, beyond the understanding of human beings. As a scifi reader I'd be looking for something like this. This story promises this. The title promises this. In the synopsis you lay out a major plot twist, and a scifi reader like me could feel that they might be cheated if they invest in this story. This could be end up being about mental illness and not about high cosmological/theological concepts, or left open ended.

I have a question that will help me better understand how to approach this.
Without spoiling the details in  final act of the story, have you made a decision on whether these boys are both delusional, or is God real in the Biblical sense, real is a high scifi conceptual sense, or is one delusional and the other not?

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@Bill K: Spoiler: Lady K is the best character ever. Waaaaay better than Dr Ess or Queen Aussie

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If this is for a query, then there are things that need to be added to this. Like the title, word count, comps (similar books to visualize the plot) and classification for the story. IMO, you can't use the query for a blurb or synopsis. These need to be crafted individually.

Example:

INTO THE MIND OF GOD is a 75K HF novel set in the 41st century. Comps are STAR WARS meets the movie CALIGULA. The story centers around Joseph and Apollo, teens who grow up worlds apart but are both visited by a being who calls himself God. By cooperating and resisting divine intervention, both boys travel the universe as they fulfill their destinies. Apollo, heir...

You get the idea.