Re: The Opening Lines...

vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:

Silence is quite responsive; it says a great deal should one listen to it. Take care. Vern

Silence is not what came from Empress Wu but irrelevant noise.  Silence can mean several things but often requires a combination of uninterest, ignorance and lack of education.  I reckon you are the exception to the rule.

You certainly make the case for "Silence is golden." Take care. Vern

Once again, there are two or three of you who wish to make this forum battering rams of personalities and not an exchange of information and ideas. If you look at what might have been my only post on this subject, for the OP did not wish to engage, you made no attempt to broach the topic I put there:

Yes, and thank you for that, but is there any objective standard by which one can judge his opinions having any value?   

It can be a yes-or-no question, and even if that doesn't say much, it's honest, and I have said that the subject matter is mostly within a realm of unknown knowns, and the truest answer is:I don't know, but I know what I like. An answer absolutely not coming from that webmaster.

Re: The Opening Lines...

Mariana Reuter wrote:

Charles:

People like Suin are likely to be discouraged from making open suggestions and sharing their discoveries within the worldwide web if their post are to be derided.

There was no derision of Suin explicit or implicit in:

Yes, and thank you for that, but is there any objective standard by which one can judge his opinions having any value?

For certainly I respect her as a writer.

There was deserved sarcasm towards you and your cheerleading for partisan purpose precisely because of the way you write and behave in public forum.

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vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:

Silence is quite responsive; it says a great deal should one listen to it. Take care. Vern

Silence is not what came from Empress Wu but irrelevant noise.  Silence can mean several things but often requires a combination of uninterest, ignorance and lack of education.  I reckon you are the exception to the rule.

You certainly make the case for "Silence is golden." Take care. Vern

Don’t poke it, Vern.  Reddit reopened their incel board.  It’ll skitter back under the baseboard soon.
https://media.giphy.com/media/13RNUIRVHff2pi/giphy.gif

Regards,
Empress Wu

Re: The Opening Lines...

Temple Wang wrote:

Regards,
Empress Wu

and we hear from ad-hominem lizard number two of three.

Re: The Opening Lines...

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

Silence is not what came from Empress Wu but irrelevant noise.  Silence can mean several things but often requires a combination of uninterest, ignorance and lack of education.  I reckon you are the exception to the rule.

You certainly make the case for "Silence is golden." Take care. Vern

Once again, there are two or three of you who wish to make this forum battering rams of personalities and not an exchange of information and ideas. If you look at what might have been my only post on this subject, for the OP did not wish to engage, you made no attempt to broach the topic I put there:

Yes, and thank you for that, but is there any objective standard by which one can judge his opinions having any value?   

It can be a yes-or-no question, and even if that doesn't say much, it's honest, and I have said that the subject matter is mostly within a realm of unknown knowns, and the truest answer is:I don't know, but I know what I like. An answer absolutely not coming from that webmaster.

If one looks at the history of your posts, it will become clear who is the battering ram of personalities. It is true, I made no comment on the post you mention because your history has shown a civil discourse with you is futile. Thus, my response regarding silence was an option far from the battering ram you allegedly perceive, I reckon. Take care. Vern

Re: The Opening Lines...

Temple Wang wrote:
vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

Silence is not what came from Empress Wu but irrelevant noise.  Silence can mean several things but often requires a combination of uninterest, ignorance and lack of education.  I reckon you are the exception to the rule.

You certainly make the case for "Silence is golden." Take care. Vern

Don’t poke it, Vern.  Reddit reopened their incel board.  It’ll skitter back under the baseboard soon.
https://media.giphy.com/media/13RNUIRVHff2pi/giphy.gif

Regards,
Empress Wu

LOL. Love your wit. Take care. Vern

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

Regards,
Empress Wu

and we hear from ad-hominem lizard number two of three.

Since this is an editing site: it’s “ad hominem

Regards,
Empress Wu, aka @Lizard_2of3
(aka reigning Greater SE Asia region bantamweight champion slayer of misogynistic trolls)

Re: The Opening Lines...

Temple Wang wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

Regards,
Empress Wu

and we hear from ad-hominem lizard number two of three.

Since this is an editing site: it’s “ad hominem

nope, two-word expression used as a single adjective. Generally, hyphenate two or more words when they come before a noun they modify and act as a single idea.   "The logical fallacy is ad hominem." is the conceptual adjective representing a single idea  behind ad-hominem

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Re: The Opening Lines...

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

and we hear from ad-hominem lizard number two of three.

Since this is an editing site: it’s “ad hominem

nope, two-word expression used as a single adjective. Generally, hyphenate two or more words when they come before a noun they modify and act as a single idea.   "The logical fallacy is ad hominem." is the conceptual adjective representing a single idea  behind ad-hominem

Wrong.  It’s a Latin expression (against the man OR to the person) in its entirety and, as such, is not hyphenated.  But I admire your spunk.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem

Re: The Opening Lines...

vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:

You certainly make the case for "Silence is golden." Take care. Vern

Once again, there are two or three of you who wish to make this forum battering rams of personalities and not an exchange of information and ideas. If you look at what might have been my only post on this subject, for the OP did not wish to engage, you made no attempt to broach the topic I put there:

Yes, and thank you for that, but is there any objective standard by which one can judge his opinions having any value?   

It can be a yes-or-no question, and even if that doesn't say much, it's honest, and I have said that the subject matter is mostly within a realm of unknown knowns, and the truest answer is:I don't know, but I know what I like. An answer absolutely not coming from that webmaster.

If one looks at the history of your posts, it will become clear who is the battering ram of personalities. It is true, I made no comment on the post you mention because your history has shown a civil discourse with you is futile. Thus, my response regarding silence was an option far from the battering ram you allegedly perceive, I reckon. Take care. Vern

Again, no interest in discussing topic but rather me. I gave you three chances to say something pertinent through reiteration of subject matter, but again, just about me from you.

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Re: The Opening Lines...

Temple Wang wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

Since this is an editing site: it’s “ad hominem

nope, two-word expression used as a single adjective. Generally, hyphenate two or more words when they come before a noun they modify and act as a single idea.   "The logical fallacy is ad hominem." is the conceptual adjective representing a single idea  behind ad-hominem

Wrong.  It’s a Latin expression (against the man OR to the person) in its entirety and, as such, is not hyphenated.  But I admire your spunk.

It is derived from Latin ("to the man") but by itself is no pertinent concept. The concept is Ad Hominem Logical Fallacy or Logical Fallacy of the argumentum ad hominem to be properly represented as an adjective of a single concept, ad-hominem, in a sort of abbreviation. Not hyphenated it is literally gibberish in context, to the man lizard.

37 (edited by Temple Wang 2018-10-01 01:52:07)

Re: The Opening Lines...

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

nope, two-word expression used as a single adjective. Generally, hyphenate two or more words when they come before a noun they modify and act as a single idea.   "The logical fallacy is ad hominem." is the conceptual adjective representing a single idea  behind ad-hominem

Wrong.  It’s a Latin expression (against the man OR to the person) in its entirety and, as such, is not hyphenated.  But I admire your spunk.

It is derived from Latin ("to the man") but by itself is no pertinent concept. The concept is Ad Hominem Logical Fallacy to be properly represented as an adjective of a single concept, ad-hominem, in a sort of abbreviation. Not hyphenated it is literally gibberish in context, to the man lizard.

WHIFF Swing and a miss ... strike three!  Kavanaugh, yer outta here ...

Ima let you be now, Chuck.  Better luck next time.
Ciao ...

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Topic drift?

39 (edited by Temple Wang 2018-10-01 02:47:26)

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njc wrote:

Topic drift?

Yup.  Topic got infested.  Think between me, Vern, dagny, and Mariana we got him stomped out now.  We’ll see.

Regards,
Trollbusters
LOL

Re: The Opening Lines...

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Mariana Reuter wrote:

Charles:

People like Suin are likely to be discouraged from making open suggestions and sharing their discoveries within the worldwide web if their post are to be derided.

There was no derision of Suin explicit or implicit in:

Yes, and thank you for that, but is there any objective standard by which one can judge his opinions having any value?

For certainly I respect her as a writer.

There was deserved sarcasm towards you and your cheerleading for partisan purpose precisely because of the way you write and behave in public forum.

No more questions, your Honour. I'm sure I've made my point in front of the jury about the witness's uncalled and unnecessary aggressiveness. In view of his past record and continuous offenses, the Crown requests the maximum sentence.

Kiss

Lady Mariana Reuter

Re: The Opening Lines...

Charles_F_Bell wrote:


Yes, and thank you for that, but is there any objective standard by which one can judge his opinions having any value?

Charles, I pay fees to tNBW each month to receive reviews from other writers who are just like me - people who enjoy writing, who manage to squeeze an hour or two of writing and reviewing into their busy week, and who are not professional/published writers. Then, I found out that I could submit my work to The Opening Lines and receive a free review from a person who is dedicated full-time to writing and editing. I didn't blindly accept and implement his feedback, but valued it, just like I value the opinions of my fellow writers on tNBW. To me, any feedback is helpful. I hope this answers your question.

Re: The Opening Lines...

Suin wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:


Yes, and thank you for that, but is there any objective standard by which one can judge his opinions having any value?

Charles, I pay fees to tNBW each month to receive reviews from other writers who are just like me - people who enjoy writing, who manage to squeeze an hour or two of writing and reviewing into their busy week, and who are not professional/published writers. Then, I found out that I could submit my work to The Opening Lines and receive a free review from a person who is dedicated full-time to writing and editing. I didn't blindly accept and implement his feedback, but valued it, just like I value the opinions of my fellow writers on tNBW. To me, any feedback is helpful. I hope this answers your question.

Yes, it does answer the question to the extent of your motivation. Many people do not use objectivity as a standard for evaluation and even deny such exists.

Re: The Opening Lines...

njc wrote:

Topic drift?

No better way to set a topic adrift than to correct grammar and spelling within a forum discussion.

Re: The Opening Lines...

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
njc wrote:

Topic drift?

No better way to set a topic adrift than to correct grammar and spelling within a forum discussion.

On the other hand, the topic of Orwellian concept destruction through socialist prescriptivist alteration of word meaning is a fascinating topic, should you or anyone wish to engage and learn all about the uses and abuses of gender identification and climate change. Interestingly, it is not an unrelated topic to this one of establishing an objective basis for evaluation (or not).

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Topic drift?

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njc wrote:

Topic drift?

Interestingly, it is not an unrelated topic to this one of establishing an objective basis for evaluation (or not).

But I should save it for Literary Fiction Forum (when I get the time, alas) so as not to bother you with it.

Re: The Opening Lines...

njc wrote:

Topic drift?

No better way to set a topic adrift than to correct grammar and spelling within a forum discussion.

Agree or disagree?

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I don't know.  I prefer to ask whether the others on the forum will consider it a useful contribution.  This varies with audience of the forum, small clubby group versus everybody.

Re: The Opening Lines...

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
njc wrote:

Topic drift?

No better way to set a topic adrift than to correct grammar and spelling within a forum discussion.

Agree or disagree?

I would agree that the forums are not the appropriate place for correcting grammar, spelling, etc. with the caveat that such correction would be acceptable as a witty response to a misguided verbal attack on the individual making such correction as in the case under discussion. Take care. Vern

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njc wrote:

I don't know.  I prefer to ask whether the others on the forum will consider it a useful contribution.  This varies with audience of the forum, small clubby group versus everybody.

NJC I thought it was informative to let Charles know that we weren't naive and he didn't have to worry about us. smile