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All,

This is an illuminating discussion and it's nice to see one that revolves around writing.

I have spent most of my life teaching and writing non-fiction. It has only been in the last two years that I have ventured into fiction, and I find it a delightful puzzle and much harder that it appears. It seems like there are many rules and just when I adhere to one, I find it doesn't always work. There are exceptions.

I agree that "was" can be misused. Some of you have seen it in my work. Why write - "He was trying" when you can state much clearer "He tried." But someone above made the case that too many "was" is boring for the reader. That's not true. "Was" is an invisible word. Just like "said" is an invisible word. That's why writers are prompted to use "said" as a dialogue tag rather than other tags because the reader doesn't see it.

Vern's argument that using "was" is more telling than showing, is to me, the best reason for trying to avoid it. However, it's not always possible to do so; the over-eradication of "was" can make your story sound stilted and artificial. It's the same as when you go out of your way to find a synonym so you don't repeat a word, and it just doesn't fit. I'm guilty of that as well.

When I read books written by some fairly famous authors, I look to see if they are following the same rules. They aren't. I'm glad to see I am in good company.

Sherry

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I don't care about the time. I buy when I've just finished a book or when I hear about a good one. I usually download a sample first.

I self published my first book with Createspace. Since the book was just over 200 pages it wasn't difficult to do. By that I mean, I went over it many times to be sure it was correctly done, and a 200 page book made it easier. My husband helped with all the technical issues and I was happy with the result. Createspace offers choices for covers, but since the book is based on my mother's memoir, I used a picture of her. It was published 1 1/2 years ago, and I'm still selling books. That's partly from my offering power-point presentations to various local groups. Just had one last night with 60-70 people in attendance. The downfall of self-publishing is not doing a good enough edit because you want to rush it to print. (I can't stress the last sentence enough.) Unfortunately, many do this and self-publishing has gotten a bad name.

For my next, book (170,000 words) which is almost completed, I'm going to try and find an agent. I know it is very difficult, but I think I have something that might get picked up.  I'm also a lot wiser than when I published my first book. If I can't secure an agent, after trying for a reasonable amount of time, I will self-publish again, but this time I might hire someone to help. This second book is 4 times the size of my first.

From everything I've heard, I would never go right to a publisher. Everyone I've talked to, who has been in this business, has said to stay away. I try to learn from those with experience.

Hope that helps.
Sherry

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I find poor writing so distracting that I woldn't be able to read it, no matter how good the story.

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The best way to learn how to write is to read, and read a lot. Even if you are a master at writing, you still need to read. After you've done that, check out Beyond Style: Mastering the Finer Points of Writing by Gary Provost. He has other books as well. I also liked Stephen King's book on writing and Diana Gabaldon's Outlandish Companion. I like to read how authors do their craft. Elements of Style is also a good one. Then when you're done reading these books, go back to reading.

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She was extremely aggressive and literally ran after customers. She was very persuasive in her hooking customers. That was not my question, and perhaps I should have omitted it. I'm interested in what you do.

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What do you do to market your book? If yours is an independently published book, like my first book, you have to do much of the marketing yourself.

I had a book signing yesterday with 29 other authors. Most did nothing innovative, but the lady I shared a table with was unbelievable. That's what got me thinking about this topic. The holidays are coming, and it's a good time to get your book in the hands of readers.

Here's one I did last year, with some success, and will repeat again this year.

I advertise on Facebook and at signings that I can offer a unique holiday gift. I will mail a signed book as a gift from you. The price includes the book, tax, domestic mailing anywhere in the US, a signed card and a give-away. All the customer has to do is contact me, and it's taken care of.

Any other ideas to share?

Sherry

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I completely missed Friday the 13th. I just sailed west across the international dateline. Yesterday was Thursday and when I woke up today , it was Saturday.

Sherry

sherryvostroff.com

This is my website which includes a lot of information about me, my first published book, The Lucky One, and my WIP which many of you are reading.

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Has anyone read The Lymond Chronicles by Dorothy Dunnett? I have started this series twice and find it very difficult. I should love this story. It's historical fiction, it starts off in 16th century Scotland, it's adventure and romance, etc. But I find it hard to latch on to any of the characters. I've been told to read the first 100 pages and it will get easier. Some have even suggested reading all of book one before you can understand it.

The reviews for this book are wonderful and everyone I know who has gotten into it, loves it.

Sherry

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dagnee wrote:

Sherry,

I'm not the how-to book type. I learn a lot from listening (it's the new reading, just ask Audible!) to novels in my genre. However, I did get The Emotion Thesaurus: A Writer's Guide To Character Expression by Angela Ackerman and Becca Puglisi that Gacea recommended.
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I'll have to look into the emotion thesaurus, but you can find that information online.

I've tried listening to books. I don't find it nearly as satisfying as curling up in a comfortable chair with a cup of tea and some good chocolate chip cookies. I find when I listen to a book I get distracted and I don't get that "lost in a book" feeling. However, I know people who listen to books on their way to work.  If I had a long drive every day, I would do the same.

Sherry

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I just finished reading "Beyond Style - Mastering the Finer Points of Writing," by Gary Provost. It was filled with lots of information about crafting a story and what makes it good.

I've also read Stephen King's "On Writing," and Diana Gabaldon's "Outlandish Companion." It's not only interesting to find out how successful writers hone their craft, but the methods they employ. Whether it's writing 2,000 words before noon, working into the wee hours of the night or trying to pound out a sentence or two when you have 3 little kids and 2 jobs.

I have found the above books and stories have helped inspire me.

Do you have a great book on writing that you'd like to share?

Sherry

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The first line of my WIP is "It was time."

First lines are very important not only for the beginning of a book but for each chapter. It's all about moving the story forward.

One of my favorite opening lines is - "People disappear all the time." Outlander by Diana Gabaldon.

Sherry

I'm reading the first in the series of The Lymond Chronicles. This is my second try with this book. I've heard great things about the series. Even better than Outlander, so I'm told. Reviews from major news sources are glowing. I love the genre - historical fiction, set in 16th century Scotland, a handsome hero. What's not to like. Fingers crossed.

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Your welcome John. I hope I didn't drive you crazy with my suggestions. I have a tendency to do that.

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I don't know about you, but my characters tell me how they want their story told. They want to be in charge, so it's first person POV.

Rachel (Rhiannon) Parsons wrote:
Sherry V. Ostroff wrote:

Congratulations on finishing your book. Make sure you get that ISBN number. Mine was free at Createspace. I can't tell you how many times I am asked for that number.  Publishing at Createspace was almost free for me except for the $25 for a Library of Congress number. Now my book is located in the Jefferson Room.

Sherry

Thank you, Sherry!  And thanks for the advice.  How is it going?  A lot of readers?

Yes, I'm getting more. Thanks for asking. I'm almost done - only about 5 chapters yet to go and then a massive job of overhauling a 200,000 word book.

Sherry

Congratulations on finishing your book. Make sure you get that ISBN number. Mine was free at Createspace. I can't tell you how many times I am asked for that number.  Publishing at Createspace was almost free for me except for the $25 for a Library of Congress number. Now my book is located in the Jefferson Room.

Sherry

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Nice interview. Loved the Truman quote. I've heard it before, but it's always nice to be reminded of it again. Eight published books - now there's a goal I'd like to match.
Sherry

My book, The Lucky One, was self-published through Createspace in February 2016.
Sherry

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vern wrote:

Okay, I'm going to get a little nit-picking here as far as the subject of moving the story forward is concerned -- any good thread always seems to veer from the path somewhat. That being said, if we're going to move forward, it just as well be logical. My concern is the use of "he paused" as a speaker tag as presented above. I bring this up only because it has been used in more than one post. It seems to me rather impossible to speak a pause. You can certainly have a pause after speaking, but you can't speak that pause; therefore it is not an effective speaker tag imho. Thus a period rather than a comma would seem more appropriate in the sentence "'I have terrible news,' he paused." ("... news." He paused.) Just a thought. Take care. Vern

Vern,

No. The "he paused" is not a tag as we use them in dialogue. Let's try "froze" instead because it's getting confused as a dialogue tag. Consider this example.

John walked into the room. He froze.
As a reader, I am wondering why. What's in the room? What does he see? What made him stop?
And I'm not going to give the answer in the next sentence. I may describe some sweet foul odor and an unidentifiable figure bundled in the recliner first. Then I'll reveal to my reader that there's a dead body in the room and it's John's father. 
Sherry

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Corra and all,

Sorry I have not been keeping up with this thread. But I still believe it is so important to keep tension alive in your story. I was just critiquing someone's work (no one from this group). There was absolutely no tension so the story was dull and I couldn't wait to finish it. If I was reading the book for pleasure, I would have put it down and never picked it up again.

I just finished a great book about Writing Style by Gary Provost. I'll quote a few of the things he said. "Tension is uneasy suspense. It is a cord, or a series of cords, that stretch across every paragraph that you write. And tension is not always a matter of life and death. It is the thing that makes your reader turn pages. Get your reader into a state of uneasy suspense and keep him there. That means the reader should always be uncertain about what's coming u and should always be asking questions. Tension can come from what's happening in a story, from the words and sentences you use to tell the story, and even from the fact that you're telling the story. 'Why is he telling me this?' is a reader's question which creates tension."

You can do this by using words that raise the stakes: paused, cautious, abruptly, urgently, threatened, froze, waited, defended, hid, fled.  If I write, "Jane ran down the street." Ho-hum - Yawn. But if I write "Jane fled down the street." now you're wondering why, who's after her, did she rob a bank, etc.

"Tension comes from the way you reveal the information." Don't give the answer to the tension too quickly. Take your time to unfold the answer. Let your reader squirm.

If any of you have read Outlander you will know what I mean. The main characters are Jamie Fraser and his wife Claire. They gets into a lot of scrapes. When you read the Claire is talking a walk in the woods, you are on the edge of your seat because you are so concerned she will get kidnapped, raped, robbed, etc. The author, Diana Gabaldon, has set the reader up for this. The entire 8 book series is like that and the author does it paragraph by paragraph building the tension.  Gabaldon claims that she doesn't even have to think about it any more. It just comes naturally. As a reader I got to care about the characters so much that when I would put the book down, I was angry that the characters were fictional. That's great writing. That's what I want to achieve.

I mentioned I belong to another online writing group. Diana Gabaldon belongs to that one as well. She did a sample from her own writing to show how this is done. Impressive.

If you got this far - thanks for reading.
Sherry

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Thanks for the compliment, Alan.

This happens in every group. But when you have some leave, there are new people who come along. I joined back in June and have been very active.

As someone noted, it's difficult to get your writing done and keep up with reviews from others and my own. I spend much of the day doing that and don't get to my writing until the evening. And when I'm not doing that I'm out "touring" with my already published book. Writing, reviewing, and marketing is a full-time job.

Sherry

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I have a website - sherryvostroff.com - and I have an author page on FB at Sherry V. Ostroff. I created these when I published my first book 18 months ago. I did it on my own, and I wish the sites were better. I hope to redo when my next book is published.

I don't do any other media platforms. Between writing, reviewing, meeting with groups for presentations, signings, and life, I can barely fit one more thing into my schedule. And I'm retired.

But yes, a media platform is very important to get the word out.

Also, don't forget about getting the local newspapers to do a story or get interviewed at your local TV station.

Sherry

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Enjoy.

The same will happen for me next month. I will have my laptop with me, and I'll still be able to access all communication.

Sherry