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Ask again, she thought, for it means nothing -- but he had taken enough of her nothings, she knew, and with hat in hand, his heart gone to the shadows, he said only, "Goodbye, Virginia," until he was gone, leaving nothing, nothing all over again, bottomless, cowardly nothing.

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njc wrote:

I didn't think the Hawthorne story was that bad, though I admit I didn't have to read it for class.

Same and same. Although the whole beginning could be cut.

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This is the sort of book I pull to when I'm sick

I notice I've left a hole in my argument. lol

What is this? What is this in my little "to be watched" box? Why it's:

http://bttm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/far-from-the-madding-crowd-film-2015-habitually-chic-001.jpg

I don't believe this one is on the do not discuss list! smile I shall watch it this week.

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Write a first sentence for a novel, inspired by this painting. Credit here.

Feel free to share a different image (or link to one) for inspiration. I was looking for something in the public domain.

If anyone's interested! Just for fun...

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Memphis wrote:

I wonder how much she had Huck Finn's Chapter 31 dilemma in mind as she was writing To Kill a Mockingbird through Scout's POV?

This is an interesting thought, Memphis! I'm guessing she'd read it...

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Memphis Trace wrote:

To be able to add anything meaningful to a debate about the prose, I would have to read the story again with the idea of picking nits. So far I've read it twice and I can't keep my workshop mentality forefront. I become immersed in the story and forget that it is writing instead of reading.

Likewise.

Dill Carver wrote:

It is politically correct to like the book.

I certainly don't love it because it's politically correct to love it. I have a brain, thank you. I love it because it's a good story. 

Is this a conversation about whether or not To Kill a Mockingbird is "great literature," or whether or not we love it? Dill, you're listing lots of reasons why you don't love it (fairly enough.) I've been responding in kind with entirely subjective reasons why I do. If you were asking in your original question if it's great literature, that's hard to say because I still don't exactly know what great literature is.

One of the things that makes (me) love a work is my suspicion of its impact. I'm not saying that's universal greatness according to everybody. It's greatness according to me. Which is what I thought we were talking about -- all of our personal views on why WE love To Kill a Mockingbird.

I think it's a little close-minded and sweeping to suggest that everyone in the world who loves To Kill a Mockingbird loves it because it's politically correct to love it. Maybe some people do, but I work in a bookstore, chap, and the book flies off the shelves, still. Not by people auto-buying it because they should. These are mothers inspiring their children to read it. These are people who love the book because it is a friend. People whose eyes twinkle as they tug it up -- not because of some political agenda, but because the people in the story are friends.

I love the sink-in quality, I love Atticus both before and after Watchman, I love Scout. I love the fact that it's one of my mother's favorite books, so we share it. She was very young when she read it for the first time. When I read it, I feel that I've gone back in time to her generation, and that I'm there beside her, reading it along with her back in her childhood. When I read it, I can feel a ghostly sense of my childhood self reading it -- the sense that a smaller me read the words and thought even as I am thinking again. I love it for that reason.

I'm not sure this sort of personal affiliation with a novel is actually debatable? Absolutely, literary components are -- like theme, tone, writing style. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm not reading it looking for all of that. It may have all of that? It certainly has theme, and if it's forced, thank goodness for that, because somebody needed to say it.

Great literature for me is made up of all sorts of things personal to my own tastes and passions. To Kill a Mockingbird fulfills whatever it is for me that simply clicks when I read. If I had more time, I could probably pull out passages that inspired me (the scene on the porch) for one -- but goodness, it's the characters, the simplicity of the coming of age tale, the grittiness of Scout's personality, her skepticism of her father which is surprised by his character, the line, "Stand up, Scout, your father's passing."  It's the way it's all a symphony, sort of, which comes together in the line about the mockingbird. It's Jem, who reminds me of my brother. It's the fact that every time I read it again, it is the same, and it all starts over, and it's all so -- I don't know, alive. It's the next door neighbor who stands in her ashes and decides to go on. It's the snowman on a winter morning. It's the books Atticus reads Scout. It's the way she has to apologize for learning to read too quickly, and how I feel like grinning with her as she does it because that's silly. It's the Cunninghams. It's the court scenes. It's Mayella. It's Tom. It's all of it.

It's hardly a best-seller due to avid readers choosing the title from the bookstore after perusing the shelves looking for something interesting.

You can't possibly know why people like the book. I'd absolutely pick it off the shelf based on the story description. This is the sort of book I'd have under my text book when I was supposed to be studying. This is the sort of book I pull to when I'm sick or sad and want a friend to keep me reading and sweep me away.

If the Mocking Bird prose was published here as unknown text from and unknown author, it'd get ripped to bits.

Not by me. Not for a second. It has voice, it has soul, it has grit.

That's how I reacted the first time I watched it! I feel like Nadine shared it with me (Brosna). A few years ago. Now I watch it off and on, just because I find it so lovely. And as you say, marvelous! I'd also read the soliloquy before, but this entirely changed it!

I hope you like Bloom. smile I don't have access to it here (that I can find).

"The world calls them its singers and poets and artists and story-tellers; but they are just people who have never forgotten the way to fairyland." ― L.M. Montgomery, The Story Girl.

Those are quite beautiful. x

Here is one I've listened to several times:

https://youtu.be/ii_aZ6djNkM

Dill! I was just listening to that Anthony Hopkins "J. Alfred Prufrock" reading and was going to share it here for you! I also had "The Raven" on the mind! "Dulce est Decorum est" is a favorite of mine, as is "Sonnet 116."

I'll share my favorite poem:

https://youtu.be/fwn6Xaz_uLM

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I'd wager a guess that it even seems condescending to some people.

Well, yes, something here does. smile

I'm not sure who your "come on, folks" is addressed to, jp? I'll assume I am among those you are addressing, since only a handful of us responded in this thread. I'll proceed under that assumption.

She said what she had to say, and it struck a note, but that's all she had.

This is not a sound argument. Whether To Kill a Mockingbird was Lee's first or thirtieth novel, it is a work of literature and stands as itself. Your argument only makes sense if you also say things like, "Golly, this nickel would be worth five cents! But I only have one, so it isn't." In which case I will assume you are merely defying logic as part of your routine.

... while it was a great book in its day, it reads dated and b-o-r-i-n-g nowadays.

It's a fallacy to assume that the inefficiency of your own imagination is necessarily a measure of a book or its readership at large. If you're merely stating your opinion here (not "To Kill a Mockingbird is boring," but "I found it boring," then I respect your opinion, for I am bored by mathematics and happen to know it interests many. If what you actually mean is that the book itself is constructed to bore the reader, I wish you'd share exactly how that is accomplished, and how I overlooked it with my overhanging imagination, which is forever tangling me up in a work intended to be uninteresting.

As for your suggestion that To Kill a Mockingbird is outdated (with a nod to the copyright on the inside bearing the numbers 1-9-6-0), I'll hazard to suggest that it is an old book. Shakespeare offers a defense of a Jewish man in The Merchant of Venice. Outdated, boring story, or a photograph of a voice in history which sought to make an impact? What of Huck Finn? The Diary of Anne Frank is about something that happened before To Kill a Mockingbird was a spark in Lee's eye. Outdated? Irrelevant?

How insulting in modern times to say that a whole race is unable to solve their problems without the benevolence of one white man!

Passing over your very outdated use of the word "race"...

So Mayella Ewell has no play in the novel? There is not a single thing to be done for her, and she is portrayed as both awful and incredibly human. That isn't a factor in the novel? It's just Tom Robinson and Atticus? Black and white? The Boo story is just something Lee cooked up for a side story, in no way tied to the novel's theme? Scout's efforts to maintain her own identity in the face of Alexandra's iron rule? Not at all relevant then or now? Dill Harris as the deserted boy longing for love? Not relevant today? The Cunninghams as the scourge of the town. All of that is irrelevant in this new utopian century?

I'm not sure what your goal was in posting above. From the opening "come on, folks," to your strange red herring remark about other problems in the world and other writers, you expend 110 words to say absolutely nothing.

If what you mean to say is, "Hello folks! I've read To Kill a Mockingbird, and I have to agree with Dill. I found it outdated, and boring, and I don't know why people seem to so like it. I too would love to hear about this topic, and I intend to respect the fact that we all have different viewpoints, as that is the very center, soul and purpose of art, isn't it now? Cordially yours, jp," then pardon me for the above.

If what you mean to suggest is that everyone who loves the novel is wrong, you should base your argument on something more solid than the novel's age, singularity, or your own inability to comprehend its implicit layers. As for me, it is as simple as a love of the story, the people, the town, the writing, Scout, Atticus, and the integrity I sense in the author herself. As an intelligent woman educated to know my own mind, I defy you to come up with the argument which will convince me I am actually as bored by the book as you are.

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I was never assigned this book in school. I would have LOVED a class discussion of it. I read it as a child because my mother recommended it, and again as an adult (twice), also voluntarily.

I love it! I can't take the time to say why because I've got too much going on offline right now, but I too would love to see the pros and cons discussed. I have a friend (lit scholar) who didn't like it much the first time, but read it again and completely changed his mind. For me, it's just the idea of such an enormous issue being viewed through the eyes of a child, who is still forming her character as the book comes to life. I've always loved the character of Boo: the final scene with Scout, and the active choice she makes in that final scene (I'm being vague lest I spoil it for folks), which none of the adults around her make. Before the novel begins, there's a quote about how lawyers were once children, too. I love that quote because I feel it sets the whole tone of the book: this little girl is going to be a grown-up one day, and impact the world, and this summer of apparent innocence will be part of her history.

I don't know. It means a lot to me, but maybe it wouldn't if I was forced to read it against my will.

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One would think, wouldn't he? smile How have you been, Nathan? I hope you're well! x

You, sir, are skating perilously close. PERILOUSLY CLOSE. (She reiterates poignantly.)

When I read it aloud, it sounds like an orator repeating for rhythm/emphasis. I see your point too though. (NINE!?)

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I was just listening to Pandora, thinking of her, when this came on. x

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Memphis Trace wrote:

In the end, I guess I have come to feel the country wasn’t ready for a complicated hero—like Atticus has become for me—when To Kill a Mockingbird was published in 1960 and made into a movie in 1962. From what I understand, To Kill a Mockingbird caused a lot of young people to take up the banner for civil rights.

I'm sorry to hear of Ms. Lee's death this morning. I'm glad I read (and reread) her novels last summer. I thought of this conversation when I heard this morning. Books are powerful, as was hers, as is hers. x

(This remark isn't directed at you specifically, Memphis. I just wanted to quote a part of that conversation.)

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I kind of like the repeat. It's like the echo within such a scene.

Blockhead! lol x

Choose your own adventure:

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There are so many things I could say to scientifically refute your remarks. Unfortunately, I am recently pledge-bound to never speak of The Martian again.
... cool smile

I just finished Revolutionary Road by Richard Yates. I thought it was really slow and dark to start, but by the end I liked it. It was still incredibly dark -- probably like the way The Road is dark, but it was dark quite poetically and authentically, if that makes sense.

I'm just beginning Richard III. I AM SO EXCITED. It's an assigned read, but I'd have read it myself if he hadn't assigned it. I've never read one of Shakespeare's histories, although I guess this one is a tragedy? We're reading Henry IV in a few weeks, too. smile