Hi Pamela

No need to explain, your intent comes across very clearly!  And hey, it's my opinion, so it's out there to be challenged to the max!

Benefit is probably the wrong word to use, my bad, sorry!  What I mean is, the in-line reviews have made life easier for reviewers without due consideration to the writers.  Or that's what it feels to me at least.  But like I said, I'll still take in-line reviews!!!  Just hope Sol is working on something to make it easier on the business end too ...

In-line reviews, from both reviewer and writer perspectives, involves a lot of clicking, another reason why I'm prone to use regular reviews.  Or it could be I'm old and got used to regular reviews and don't want to change!  big_smile  I do running commentary, in-line/nits and overall feedback within a regular review - the strength of the in-line review does come through when the number of comments/suggestions start to get big, I'll give you in-liners that!  LOL

I should also probably mention that I sometimes use Word to do reviews and it's then easy-as to copy and paste it into a regular review.  That's also why I won't be surprised if it's only me that has this "problem".  Although the number of regular reviews to in-line reviews I receive do not support this too much.

And fully agree with you on the growth in both reviewing and writing as part of this site!  So irrespective of the format, the benefit (getting better at reviewing and as a result, writing) would be the same.

Between you and Vern we're going to get to the bottom of what I'm trying to say!  Thanks!  big_smile

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(520 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Hi K

Not necessarily reduce the number of engagements, more that I'm not planning to spend pages and pages on each encounter.  But that's besides the point, because I wholeheartedly agree with you and now feel much better that I should do it, and that it will work better, and that it may just very well spare me heaps of pain later.

The plan is:

On the night they all return to the castle, I'm going to change it to kissing, touching and exploring - Matthew will stop it, and will tell Catherine he's willing to take it further but she needs to be sure first.  Anthony is pretty good at keeping them apart and C mad at M and M is also a gentleman after all (yes, it's a loose definition of gentlemanly behaviour sometimes, but that's men for you!  LOL).  So the biggest change would be that Catherine will be going to Matthew's chamber first time.

So it looks like it will be some time before a new chapter sees the light as I fix the first chapters for the comp, and then the subsequent chapters with this new line of thought.  I think the change is big enough to warrant it.

This is much appreciated!  Thank you!
Janet

Hi Vern

Agree with what you've said, and I should've made it clear when I wrote the initial comment.  I do appreciate each and every review despite the format or whether one is easier to incorporate than the other.  I'll find a way to make it work if someone had gone through all that trouble.  And just as a side note, I do use the in-line reviews also, but I'm more likely to use regular reviews.  As you said, everyone will do it their way, and there is nothing wrong with that!

The reason for mentioning it was simply to say that the in-line reviews seem to benefit reviewers more at this stage and for it to really reach it's full potential, it should be developed for both reviewer and writer as it's relatively more time consuming to merge it with the original.  But this is only my opinion and if I'm the only one, then obviously I'll suck it up as I doubt Sol is going to design the new site to my whims even though it would be awesome  wink

I know there are a couple of writers that specifically ask that you don't use the in-line format.  As yet I haven't seen any asking specifically that regular reviews should not be used.  I don't think it's unreasonable for a writer to do so, because then at least you know and I don't mind.  But again, that's me!

Cheers Janet

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(5 replies, posted in Romance Inc.)

*blushes*  Thanks Rebecca!!!

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(4 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Thanks Sol!

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(520 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

amy s wrote:

Not a problem.  Good luck with the contest!

Surely you meant to say good luck to everyone else in the contest because I'm entering the thing?!  Seriously, just kidding, I'm not delusional!  Sole purpose is to learn more and improve my skills to start my novels!  smile

Just as a side note, and this is just my opinion, the in-line review is awesome for reviewers.  But not so much when you try to incorporate those suggestions/nits/comments as a writer (yet, I think Sol may have some tricks up his sleeve which is coming soon).  Regular reviews I can copy to Word, print and have it next to me when I do the changes to the original.  I don't always print, and regular reviews do lend itself better towards split "windows" to have the original file and the site open next to each other.  With in-line reviews, I either have to make notes or alt-tab between my Word file and the site, not to mention having to click on every single highlight.  And this is what this site is about, to review and be reviewed.  And I sincerely think that in-line reviews favor the one (the reviewer in this case).

Unless I'm missing something, in which case, please let me know if there is an easier way to transfer an in-line review to your original!

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(520 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Hi amy

Back of the upper arm is also what I was thinking.  And yes, this way, intentional or not, the baddies will drain and simmer!

Thank you!
Janet

Hi Sol

The reason I joined was simply it suits my lifestyle and personality. With a group, you need to attend meetings in person and I just don't have that predictability in my life. TNBW gives me the freedom/randomness so to speak to post, review and be reviewed at all times and any times! The other strength this site has is numbers. You get detail/nit reviewers, big picture reviewers, picking up dropped balls reviewers and any combination you can think of. Then there is the like mindedness, we all know what it's like to write, to struggle, to juggle, so the support is beyond what I ever expected.

I've never looked back, one of my better decisions! smile

As a side note, inline reviews have it's strenghts too. When you have a lot of nits, comments or feedback, you can't beat an in-line.

Hope this makes sense.
Cheers Janet

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(4 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Hi Sol,

Just want to check, would entries from Aus be ok?

Thanks Janet

To add to what Gracela had said which I fully agree with.

The big assumption here is that in-line reviews are better than regular reviews, or in other words, in-line reviews add more value to the writer than regular reviews.  I don't believe this to be the case.  I personally think the in-line review is massively being overrated especially given the changes that has been made to regular reviews - the regular review box being to the side of the text is the single best improvement in my opinion compared to the old site. 

Also, a good review is a good review, no matter the format.  Free members still get the benefit, irrespective of the type of the review.

Personally, if I were a free member and had access to 3 "free" in-line reviews, I doubt that I would've upgraded to premium simply based on that.  I've gone back to regular reviews, and I'm not the only one.  Compared to when the site launched, most of the reviews I've done and received, were in-line reviews.  Recent times I have given and received more regular reviews than in-line reviews.

JR

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(520 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

amy s wrote:

Let me know what I can do to help.

Did anyone tell you recently you're the best?!  If not, you are!  I didn't even have to shout  smile

Ok, I was thinking of changing the arrow wound from one where the arrow point is stuck to one where the arrow tip went through but the arrow shaft is still embedded.  Henry will have some honey and strips of cloth at hand given they were going to a raid.  So at the scene, they will break the shaft in half and pull it out - a cloth soaked in honey will be attached to the end going through her arm to "clean" the wound while they're at it.  Stitches are out of the question given they're expecting trouble and their location.  They'll bandage the wound properly with some more honey to be safe and to try and stop the bleeding.  Given that Catherine won't be able to ride, she's going with Matthew and not home.  She'll protest, but it won't work.  So that bit is still fine.

Is there a realistic spot on someone's arm (preferably upper arm) where an arrow can go through, even shoulder would be ok, where she'd be able to move around (being careful) within 2-3 days and riding again in 4-5 days.  If it's possible even just for 1% of the cases.  In terms of shock/trauma - would she be ok to notice Matthew when they're together on his horse or when he's holding her during the treatment or do I need to change that to a later stage i.e. when he checks up on her before he questions her back at the tower?

And absolutely, everyone else is also more than welcome to give me their thoughts!  The more, the better!

THANK YOU!!!!
xx

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(4 replies, posted in Writing Tips & Site Help)

For me, I use italics for thoughts and regular to show emphasis within italics.  I normally don't use a "sea" of italics, so this works for me!

Hi Dirk

Personally, I don't have an issue with your suggestion.  But if I were a devil's advocate, I'd probably mention that we have been able to built those relationships on the old site which didn't have an in-line review option.  Your approach however has the advantage to it that it may attract more premium memberships, which is good overall for everyone on the site.

Not sure if this is the best way to know whether someone is free or premium, but if you click on the piece you want to review, to the right of the screen the author's memberships are shown.  It would be worthwhile to check that side of the web-page especially for works that don't pay points (also a good indication that the author probably isn't a premium member, but not always!).

Cheers Janet

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(520 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Hey everyone

If I'm quiet, it's because I'm fixing what I call Northern Skies Chapter 1 for the Strongest Start Comp!

amy, yep, that means we're probably going to talk some more blood, wounds, exposed flesh and shock (commonly referred to as trauma in short).  I'm going to need help if I'm going to fix that mess!

Anyway, I'll be checking in now and again, and will be back!  wink

Cheers Janet

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(5 replies, posted in Romance Inc.)

Hey everyone

I've decided to enter the Strongest Start Comp, so I may be quiet for a while to fix what I would like to call Northern Skies Chapter 1!  But I will be back!!!

xx

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(38 replies, posted in Cop Shop)

Hey my fellow authors of the next cop-crime-suspense-mystery best seller!  wink

I've decided I'm going to try for the Strongest Start Comp, so I'll be quiet in the forums while I sort out the mess that I call Northern Skies Chapter 1  LOL

If I have a slow day at work and in between moving to another country and entering comps, I'll check this out again!

xx

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(342 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

vern wrote:

Quick answer because I don't have time right now to explore the possibilities, but a quick solution might be to do the procedure backward. Select the sentence and comment. Then click on the highlight for a second comment box and then just type the single word and comment on it; you can type a single word about as fast as you can highlight it or faster. Got to run. Good luck. Take care. Vern

This only works though if you realise that you want to comment on the whole sentence or paragraph before you comment on a single word!  Paragraphs are the bigger issue as you can imagine.  It's not ideal, but for most of it, you can make it work!  Thanks Janet

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(38 replies, posted in Cop Shop)

Sounds good!  I'll try the next one after amy.  Now I have a feeling sleeping beauty is not going to turn out to be the killer!  smile

jp , can't think of any other questions, but then again, my brain feel like it has been outside in the sun for too long (Western Australia sun on a 44 degree day, not deg F, deg C!).

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vern wrote:
SolN wrote:

Oh, that I don't think can be done - selecting a word or section "twice", but Sol will be the best person to confirm whether it's a site or chrome thing.  JR

This cannot be done. You can't select text twice.

Actually, it can be done or at least it could be before the word limit was extended (haven't tried it since) because I did it in order to get all my comments in. I simply clicked on the already highlighted area and it produced another comment box. Take care. Vern

Heya Vern, what you are referring to can be done - i.e. you can add additional comments to the original selection by "clicking" on the highlighted text again.  But this is different to what I'm referring to and I think the original query was about.  And since I've only been using regular reviews, I've checked just to be sure.  And what I've tried to do before, still can't be done.

For example if I'm reviewing the following sentence:

Vern has super powers becuse he can select text twice on TNBW.

Now I select "becuse" (only the single word) and leave a comment that it should be because.  If I want to leave another comment, I can just click on the highlighted "becuse" and leave another comment.  So far so good.  smile

But now I realise I want to suggest a change to the sentence structure as a whole.  If I try to select all the words of the whole sentence "Vern has super powers becuse he can select text twice on TNBW.", I get the following error message:

Bad selection
An annotation cannot contain another annotation.

So that means I now have to get creative to explain what I'm trying to say by either adding a second comment to "becuse" or by selecting a part of the sentence that doesn't contain "becuse".

This is as clear as I can make it.  Last try with other words!!!

Two guesses who the test case was!  wink

JR

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

dagnee wrote:

Janet, you have the right idea. I am hoping that with disagreements come resolutions, but it's okay if no resolution can be found. I just felt so strongly about what happened not only in France, but what happened to Sony, that I felt as a site that represents the written word we should be able to write what we wanted in our group forums. Viva la liberté d'expression!!!! big_smile

Oh, depends on who joins, I think things will be going for a nose-dive soon!  But have to say, those kind of personalities are in the minority as far as I know!

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

I tend to finish things that I start, and I also don't like to start in the middle of something.  So my ammo is to start at Ch1 and stick with it to the end.  There are writers on this site that do the same, even though it's not their genre.  I appreciate them!

But, a bit of decency will go a long way!  I have no problem if you thank me for my review(s), and give me a reason (any reason) why you won't be returning the favour.  I'll still stick with you and even better, I'll give you a virtual "Get out of jail for free"-card so that you don't have to feel guilty about me doing 40+ reviews and you're not returning the favour.  Even if you don't let me know, I'll still stick with you, but it's probably the last WIP of yours I'd be reviewing - I'd then go looking again for  someone new that would return the favour or who has the decency to let me know.  I'm also here to be reviewed at the end of the day.

Just my 2 cents in a very cryptic few words.

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

dagnee wrote:
j p lundstrom wrote:

I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like some of the things I've written seem to be showing up in other people's work.  A tiny idea here, a turn of phrase there...  I know I'm just beginning, so my stuff's not all that great, which makes it harder to take.  I work long and hard to put just the right words together to mean exactly what I want to say.  Am I paranoid?  Does this mean I don't really have an original idea in my head. and everybody else is saying the same thing?  I have started a couple of reviews and been stung to see exactly my words in someone else's story.  Or am I unconsciously repeating what I've read somewhere else?  Are they?  How can one tell?  Does it even matter?

JP...This should be easy for you to prove, just check the date the 'suspect' writer posted their work with your words and compare it with your posting dates. I would also copy what I felt had been lifted from my work and paste it in a word document. If the writer seems to continually lift phrases from your work you can confront them with data. It would be  helpful, too, in proving whether you're the lifter and not the liftee.

I don't know that you are paranoid. That's why documenting is so important in matters like these, you take a look at the whole picture and that way you can tell if you're imagining things or not.

Of course it matters if someone is using your hard work. About ten years ago I belonged to an online writing group that was part of Yahoo groups. So it was nothing like this site. Loosely organized and ran by a moderator who was using the group to hook up with women, we pretty much did what we wanted. Someone wanted a good example of erotica and so some of us sat down and wrote sex scenes as erotic as we could make them. I think I got seven hundred words out, posted it and thought nothing else about it. A week later a member invited people to read her blog, and there a few blog entries down was my silly sex story with HER byline.

I immediately got an account with that blogging site, put her picture on it with the word THIEF written across it, and blogged under the name: Jane the thief. I blogged about her taking my story every hour on the hour for twenty-four hours until she emailed me that she was taking down the story. She wasn't repentant, though, she said I should feel flattered that someone stole my work and posted it as their own. To say the least I wasn't flattered and to tell you the truth, I have never felt that angry at anyone before or since.

It was my work and she took credit. No matter that it was a silly short story not very well written, it was my intellectual property. So even if it's a few words or just an idea you had, it still belongs to you and it matters a lot that someone claimed them as their own...

I hope that helped...and thanks for being the first to post in Fight Club's forums!! dags smile

This "proof" would probably not mean much in the real world, but it might mean something to Sol.  If you present this type of "evidence" to him, I'm sure he'd look into it and sort it out if he can assure himself that it is indeed happening?

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

dagnee wrote:
Derek Atkins wrote:
dagnee wrote:

Jp, CJ...


Even if it's an editorial piece I'm reviewing I try to review the writing and not the opinion being stated and I thought that's what everyone did.
dags smile

Well, since this thread is to vent or kick an author's arse, I think the first arse in particular should be mine. I realize that I owe Dags an apology. I included a line or two of inappropriate opinion on a piece of hers. Dags--I'm sorry about that! You were classy not to punt me down the asphalt.

I agree that someone pilfering your work is a punch in the gut, but using the date of postings won't really nail it down as to actual guilt. It all depends on when it was really written, which you can't judge without saved file dates. That won't ease the pain any, but if the stolen items are words or random phrases, it's just not actionable.

I'm sorry you misunderstood what I meant, Derek, I welcome differing opinions on my editorial work, just not personal attacks. But, and I should have added this, I refrain from offering a differing opinion on editorials because that only leads to more discourse on the subject. Even when I agree, I try not to comment on the opinion but the writing. I used to not be this way, but after a couple of years of fighting with people who weren't going to change their minds and I wasn't going to change mine it seemed counter-productive to continue the discussion.

People can disagree with me all they want, I don't mind, what I do mind is them making assumptions about my life based on a forty year old memory.

No apology needed, Derek!

And you're right about the date stuff, I forgot about reposting.... smile

Have you guys even READ the rules of fight club?  it's not the kumbaya group!  *growls*

ps - bold is the new CAPS LOCK, because I say so!  wink  (I hope you guys get winks, because otherwise I'm gonna be in big trouble soon in this group!)

But seriously, this is great!  Communication ... who would've thought it may actually resolve issues, get people to understand each other better?!  It takes a very special kind of person to be big enough to apologise.  Especially on this internet thingy where the whole world can see it!

Hats off to you guys!  (and by guys, I also mean girls!)  But by all means, take me on on that, this is FC after all!  *hits boxing gloves against each other making dust sprinkles in a ray of sunshine*

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

j p lundstrom wrote:

I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like some of the things I've written seem to be showing up in other people's work.  A tiny idea here, a turn of phrase there...  I know I'm just beginning, so my stuff's not all that great, which makes it harder to take.  I work long and hard to put just the right words together to mean exactly what I want to say.  Am I paranoid?  Does this mean I don't really have an original idea in my head. and everybody else is saying the same thing?  I have started a couple of reviews and been stung to see exactly my words in someone else's story.  Or am I unconsciously repeating what I've read somewhere else?  Are they?  How can one tell?  Does it even matter?

I think this could happen.  I've never considered this angle, but for sure there could be "writers" here that joined to do that, although they would be in the minority.  Not that I have any idea what to do about it, sorry!  JR