976

(87 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

I begin by suggesting you remove the other author's signature/name.

As you say, it's hard to take words like this as helpful, but the critique is not mean-spirited, and the point about not writing the three-star review is a gesture of good faith, as much as it must surely sting.  ('must surely'--meaningless redundancy in modifiers smile )

I suggest you approach this with strength, patience (with her and yourself) and humility.  True humility knows that you always have much to learn and many things you can learn from.  Strength carries you through the hurt.

(Someday maybe one of you can quote this advice back to me.)

How many readers are as exacting as she is?  I suspect very few.  But getting measured against a high standard can help you.

Ironically, it's the kind of story I like to read, although I prefer a female protagonist. Since you have 8 daughters, I'm surprised at your choice of a male protagonist.

It's unfortunate that she mentioned this.  It's not a substantive criticism; it's a statement of reader preference, and it can add to the emotional stress caused by the substantive criticism that follows.  (And let this be a lesson to me!  I sometimes do the same thing.)  Put it out of your mind; it is as if a reader said, "I do so like blue-eyed heroes."

... but if I were you, I would enroll in a writing class at a community college ...

Phrased in a most unfortunate way.  Perhaps it needed to be said, but, "If I were you ..." is a stinging phrase that is too damned easy to use.  I'm not saying her points have no merit, though I'd be chary of expecting a community college course to offer just what I need.  Her other suggestions here do make sense.  I'll bear them in mind myself.

(By the way, have you thanked her?  You may have to do it with tears in your eyes, but you might make a friend.)

Be aware there are 4 types of book editing: (1) The Big-Picture Edit (developmental, structural or substantive editing), (2) The Paragraph-Level Edit (stylistic or line editing), (3) The Sentence-Level Edit (copyediting), and (4) The Word-Level Edit (proofreading).

Yes, and her comments cross these lines.  Moreover, her exacting standards on copyediting and proofreading may keep her from enjoying a great story.  Still, you'd like her to buy it, so her exacting preferences matter.

Frankly, many of the contextual errors you make are those made by most beginning writers.  ...

1) Using VERY to modify words that are strong enough to stand alone. Very is a throw-away word and has little to no meaning.

This may be true, in which case we-your-TNBW-reviewers have not been working hard enough for you.  But make allowances for a character's mental voice coloring sections written in that character's PoV.

2) Using descriptions and actions as though they are dialogue tags.

Pushing writers to beats instead of tags is a common thing here.  We now have one pro's opinion on the matter.  We've also had contrary opinions.

3) Using too many dialogue tags when only two people are "on stage" talking. If your characters have unique "voices" we should be able to tell who is talking, either by WHAT they say or HOW they say it.

And yet ... as a reader I find I prefer to have more tags than the 'best advice' says.  Maybe I'm not sure yet of my characters' voices.

Let me digress.  There are several components to character voice, and there is some linkage between them:
1) Word choice (and stock phrases).  (Note also that real speakers DO repeat words; in searching our vocabulary as we construct our sentences, we find most readily the words most recently used.)
2) Grammar preferences
3) Coherence of speech (topics and ideas)
4) The character's concerns and emotive state at the moment, toward first person, second person, and perhaps toward third persons.
5) The character's intent in speaking.

The first two are pretty much fixed, unless your character is drunk or overwhelmed with anger.  The rest vary to some degree with the circumstances of the moment.

A reviewer who is fixated on the first one or two points will miss excellence in the others.

Erle Stanley Gardiner's characters have very similar voices on point 1 and especially point 2.  We see variation most in points four and five.  Gardiner was a successful writer, who turned the courtroom drama into a popular subgenre and made it his own.  His plotting and clue-laying were superb.  He wrote from beginning to end with almost no editing, while switching from story to story to let his typists keep up with him.

So excellence in all five of those points (and any that I have missed) is not necessary, only very desirable.  And maybe if you clear a reader's minimum hurdles on all points, they will hang around to appreciate the points in which you excel.

4) Using tags other than "said," "replied," "asked," and "responded." Tags, when you MUST use them, should be invisible, so the reader doesn't even notice them. Throwing in a "he queried" or a "she chided" suddenly turns a spotlight on them. Not a good idea.

She's not alone in offering this criticism.  I would strike 'responded' from her list, and perhaps add 'added' and 'noted'.  Also, there are a few 'sound' tags that I consider valid, 'whispered' and 'shouted' among them.  Better writers than I have used 'purred' and similar words, even though we get criticized for them.  I suspect we use them where they are too easily noticed.

5) Using 2 spaces between sentences. I know most of us learned to hit the space bar twice, but such things evolve over time. We use fewer commas now and since printing is digital, all those extra spaces add up.

This lies between copyediting and production.  TNBW does knock the doubled spaces out, but goes inserting spaces into the HTML it generates.  (Makes me so med.)

6) Your book is longer than the norm. Yes, the Harry Potter books were huge after the first couple. But you do not have command of the English language quite like JK Rowling, who is brilliant at putting words together on a page to hold the interest of her readers--even young readers.

Was the modifier 'quite' quite necessary?

Snark aside, the norm varies by genre.  I didn't find your books too long by word or page.  If there's a criticism to be made, I think it's not on command of English, but on flow and structure.  These are my biggest weakness, so maybe I'm projecting.

7) Your characters, in the first two chapters, are cardboard. They have zero personality, except (sort of) the black girl with the ponytail on the side of her head that your protagonist mentally criticizes, BUT she is simply bad-tempered. Your protagonist is your first-person storyteller, and he's not any different than any other adolescent male, although I love the fact that he LOVES to read. But one trait does not build a believable character.

I disagree with your criitic.

But maybe we need to make things larger than life, like stage gestures, especially when we establish characters.  It's easy to fall into self-parody here.  (Again, a thing for me to take to heart.)

You're probably saying, "Well, if you'd read the whole book, you'd know." But your reader wants to know and root for your point-of-view character almost from the get-go.  ....

I could point again to Erle Stanley Gardiner, but she's right in general.  Whether the criticism applies to you is another question.

Have strength, and strike the signature from the quoted text.

977

(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Okay, I have about 1500 summary words.  If I'm lucky they'll come in under 8000 words, much of it description and talk.

Who managed to FUBAR everything he touched.  It would be hard to do worse.  And the Fourth Estate is ... well, we've heard it all before.  Let's just see.

So they are scared and we see they've never done anything like this?

Of course the violent and premature deaths of the parents might play a part in it (Lily Potter).

981

(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

This is more a milieu story.
In the restructure/rewrite I hope to keep at least one thread either active jeopardy or an engaging mission.  Keeping a reminder of Shogran in front of the reader won't hurt.

In the larger sense the enemy is an idea, or maybe a complex of ideas.  But we need to see those ideas at work.

Edifice Comex

983

(107 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

The number of published stories with deaf, mute, or blind investigators is small.  It's been done, but it's rare.  Of course, the victim or perp could have the handicap ... or a witness.

984

(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Shogran is hovering in the background, along with the Problem(s) he has created.  At the end of B1, Merran has a confrontation with Shogran that dumps her in Pike's lap, while Melayne is trying to unweave a tangle of lies, agendas, and environmental damage that Shogran has set in motion.  That's not enough?

Add some backstory, maybe a royal gift tthat appears with a certain comfiguration of siblings ... and write a legend about it.  Then the separated children slowly come to understand ... and maybe there is an epiphany in there ... and maybe even a prophecy.

986

(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

There's already a lot of backstory  in the forgotten history.

987

(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Sorry.  I've got multiple story threads, so it won't work like that.  Right now Merran's main enemy is her lack of experience and Momma's main enemy is failure to realize how rusty she's gotten.  Kirsey's big problem is, or soon will be, overcommitment.  He can also be impatient and arrogant, but he's good at knowing when he can get away with it.

I don't know if I can give Kirsey's wolves to Merran for one future volume.  Making her a huntress of sorts, if only in the eyes of others, appeals to me.

988

(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

I've got between 800 and 1100 words of close outline for the chapter coming up.  The description alone will be a she-grizzly-bear (with cub), so we'll see how it goes.

And I've got more master plot stuff.  I've been trying to move Merran and Pausonallie toward an advennture in this B2 (with Jamen left behind).  When they survive it, it may come to the attention of Powers-What-Oughtn't-Be.  Should I offer a glimpse of those powers, and if so, how much of a glimpse?  It will open questions that should not appear for many volumes, and I'm wondering how/if I can sustain the questions raised.

Don't spoil Rebecca's style too much!  It really suits her material.  (And take heed of my little report on JRRT!)

990

(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

I'm working on the next chapter.  I've got plot, side characters, description of setting (see posting on JRRT, above) and milieu details to put together, in the right order.  I'm working on our little corner of the Rockpile, how to picture and describe it.

I'm also getting some notes down for the master plot.  How about a massive Nikkano hunt, all while Rome is burning?

Hey, anyone home?

992

(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

I say that there's a hedgerow above the wall, and I'm quite careful to say there's an opening in the wall rather than a break, so a careful read will discover the tunnel mouth.

But you can't tell that the opening opens a tunnel until you are far enough in to call it a tunnel.

Point taken though.  I'll look it over and keep it all in mind.

Who said it's night?  Pausonallie is in the tunnel.  Day and night don't matter to the illumination.

993

(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

I spent much of the past evening thumbing through LOTR and studying JRRT's writing.  Here are a few things that caught my notice.

For all the fame of his descriptive writing, he does not pile description on description.  He uses just the right strokes and just enough strokes to paint his world.  If he's known for piles of description, that knowing is a mistake.  He should be known for compact and effective description.

He uses pages of summary, sliding freely in and out of dialogue.

His dialogue is often overblown, in the same way that stage dialogue and technique is.

His writing is very economical, which allows him to write seven volumes of story in two and two-thirds volumes.

Few of us could manage the banter in his dialogue, but for the rest, I think we should take the real Tolkien as a model, and not the fantasy OF Tolkien that more resembles the Harvard Lampoon crew's Bored of the Rings.

I spent much of the past evening thumbing through LOTR and studying JRRT's writing.  Here are a few things that caught my notice.

For all the fame of his descriptive writing, he does not pile description on description.  He uses just the right strokes and just enough strokes to paint his world.  If he's known for piles of description, that knowing is a mistake.  He should be known for compact and effective description.

He uses pages of summary, sliding freely in and out of dialogue.

His dialogue is often overblown, in the same way that stage dialogue and technique is.

His writing is very economical, which allows him to write seven volumes of story in two and two-thirds volumes.

Few of us could manage the banter in his dialogue, but for the rest, I think we should take the real Tolkien as a model, and not the fantasy OF Tolkien that more resembles the Harvard Lampoon crew's Bored of the Rings.

You could also use the time to build your backstory/history.  Write some Tolkeinesque appendices,  Don't worry if you need to revise them later.

(I've just found a use in my current chapter for writing three or four levels above my abilities.  I'll give it a try anyway.  It's one of a number of things to get right.  I need to work out some geography, and I'll have to make some little edits to the chapter recently posted.)

Just reminded of a Romance lesson from GG.

Dave Freer has his (writing) life story over on Mad Genius Club.  (I've only read his Tom and it's a Hoot First Class.)

If we can help you with those, well, don't forget we're here.

Save 'Ripper' for 'Bo Dice~'.

Let's see how the next few chapters of Merran's training play out forJamen.