You've expressed disdain, surprise, alarm, ... what else? But you haven't addressed the argument. Am I a rebel? Am I a fool? Is the argument wrong? If so, why? In what particulars?
327 2018-06-01 09:01:25
Re: Comma before "as if"? (23 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
The problem with stylebook comma rules is that they look at the type of node rather than the tree structure.
What in the thundering infernal blazes do I mean by that?
Well, bear with me. It will take a bunch of words to explain, but it's really very simple. It's also easier to explain with drawings than in words alone, and I might put some up later.
Some among us may remember 'diagramming' sentences as a way to show the grammatical structure graphically. The point of diagramming is that our grammar is (a) hierarchical (tree-structured) and (b) recursive--you can turn entire clauses into modifiers (using relative pronouns and subordinating conjunctions) or nouns (using relative pronouns), bury nouns in modifiers (prepositional phrases) and turn predicates into nouns and adjectives (gerunds and participles). This means that structure repeats within structure. Mathematics has a tool to describe this: the tree. This tree, and the theory around it, is a limited kind of 'graph'. It has another tool: Formal Language Theory, which makes heavy use of graphs.
There's all sorts of neat theory here, and especially a lot of neat algorithms, but we won't need to wrangle any of that. We just need the tree as a picture.
A graph, in graph theory, is a set of points (called nodes) connected by lines (or curves) called arcs. A tree is a graph with a single 'top' node called the root (for us, the whole sentence) and without cycles. No cycles means that from one node to another there's only one path, and a node has at most one 'ancestor' leading toward the root. Nodes may have descendents; these are called 'inner' (or 'non-terminal') nodes. Nodes at the bottom of the tree, called 'leaf' or 'terminal' nodes have no descendents. Leaf nodes represent unmodified individual words. The inner nodes represent constructions (words with modifiers, phrases, clauses, conjuntion-joinings, appositives and parentheticals, &c &c &c & &c).
Why is this more important than the cost of a good cup of coffee?
We speak, write, hear, and read linear strings of words. When we speak or write, we need to turn the tree of meaning (in our minds) into that string of words. When we hear or read, we need to turn the linear string of words back into that tree of meaning.
'Grammar' describes the allowable structure of the tree, and how it is converted to and from the linear sequence of words. Converting the string into the tree is called 'parsing' and it is a harder problem than generating the string. Strunk and White present the example of an eliided 'that'. I'll modify the example:
'He felt * his nose, which was over an inch long, made him look ridiculous.'
There's an implied 'that' at the asterisk, but the reader can't realize it until somewhere after the word 'made'. This case, the elided 'that', is peculiar to English, but the general parsing problem is inherently more difficult than generating the string. You can explore the drowning depths of the question in the WikiP articles on Backus-Naur Form and Formal Language Theory. But the essence is fairly simple.
When you are constructing the hierarchical sentence in your mind, you are attaching the words, one by one, to that notional parse tree. You need to know where to attach each word. Does it go on the previous word or construct, or does it go on a more remote node?
'red train' => 'train' inserted above 'red'
'Jesus wept' => 'Jesus' the subject below 'wept, 'wept' the verb below predicate, predicate below clause. below sentence.
Now consider "He felt that his big nose, which was over an inch long, made him look ridiculous." This is an easy sentence for an adult reader of English to understand, but it is frightfully complex viewed as grammar. "that his big nose ...." is a free relative clause serving as the direct object of 'felt'. (Yes, there are other ways to describe it, but they won't change my basic point.) Let's look at that clause.
His big nose which was over an inch long made him look ridiculous.
I've omitted all commas so we can ask "Why and where do we put commas?" (Have patience. We're getting close to my point.)
Read this sentence aloud (if you can, otherwise aloud in your mind). Where do you pause slightly? I think you'll find it's before 'which' and after 'long'. Why do you delay there? Is it because you've been taught where to put commas? Or is it because the pauses are natural in the sentence structure?
Whether you pause because of the mental processes involved in constructing the sentence, or because you want to communicate that structure, the listener will discern the pauses and infer from them the structure they indicate.
I want to focus now on that second pause: "... over an inch long, made him look ridiculous." What does this indicate in the tree-structured grammar hierarchy? It indicates that the word 'ridiculous' ends a branch of the tree, and the next word attaches somewhere above that branch. The next word, 'made', ties back to 'nose'. 'made' is the verb (of the predicate) of which 'nose' is the subject. Everything between was a modifier on 'nose', a node below 'nose' in the grammar tree. But 'made' belongs to the predicate, which is actually above nose in the grammar tree.
This break upward in the parse is what the natural pause indicates. This is what I hold the comma ought to indicate.
Now we can examine why the stylebook rules cannot, in general, be right.
They call for commas to be placed before or after certain types of clauses, phrases, or other constructions. For appositives and parenthetical phrases, the comma use is part of basic English punctuation, universal and not limited to a stylebook. Likewise, commas used for series are pretty much univeral (excluding the Oxford comma). I don't think any stylebook will say not to use them.
But the prescription to place commas before or after certain clauses and phrases, or between this and that, are based on the types of the nodes in the tree, not on the need to indicate a change, from adding to the current place in the tree, to a much higher place in the tree. What the reader needs to know is where the parse breaks from a lower-level structure and moves back up the tree. If the comma is to help the reader, it must tell the reader what the reader needs to know. It must tell the reader when the parse breaks back up the parse tree.
Rules based on the type of the grammar nodes can only be right in some cases, not all. Nor can they deal with sentences that might require, according to their rules, many commas at many levels of the grammar tree. A sentence festooned with one comma for every five or six words will most often be hard to read. The greater the break in levels, the greater the need for the comma. The mind can easily connect a break of a level or two, but when the break is the end of a clause nested in a clause or phrase, or a combination of clause and conjunction, the comma is a great help to the reader. Thus, where there is a question of where to put the comma(s), the comma(s) should be placed at the largest breaks, that is, the breaks across the greatest number of levels of the parse.
The stylebooks' use of the grammar node type is an attempt to spare their users the need to fully understand their sentences' structures. The consequences are not good.
So I hold.
So I declare.
So I proclaim.
328 2018-06-01 07:00:06
Re: As Darkness Gathers (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,438 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Wasn't Dexter all about a serial killer?
329 2018-06-01 06:58:39
Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B. (1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
What you're talking about is called 'continuity'. Or, in this case, the lack of it. Prior to the 1990s, the only time that a regular-slot show worried about continuity was when one of the regular actresses was pregnant, and they needed to (and could) write it into the show.
330 2018-05-30 14:22:39
Re: How to Breathe Underwater (trilogy: Lessons in Skills for Life) (197 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
squared.
I'm no academic either.
"She didn't trust her judgement." This describes the character's state of mind. It's just half a step beyond dialogue. If you (or the editor) will accept the contraction when she expresses herself, what about when the narrator is speaking for her?
"The sun isn't up yet." -- the verb is contracted with the closely associated adverb.
"The sun's not up yet." -- the verb is contracted with the noun that is the verb's subject. The subject is grammatically more remote from the verb than the adverb that negates the verb.
One might accept the contraction of closely linked verb and adverb and reject the contraction between the more remote subject and verb.
331 2018-05-30 12:11:54
Re: How to Breathe Underwater (trilogy: Lessons in Skills for Life) (197 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
There are different kinds of narrative. Some narrative relates the experience of the character: "She didn't trust her judgement." This example also contracts a verb and the negating adverb attached to it. Others refer to the circumstance: "The sun's not up yet." This combines a noun and a verb. (In the present tense, it's also more likely to occur in dialogue.) "He'd not been ..." is a more common form in UK usage than in American. (Not sure about Canada/Aus/NZ.)
I think you're okay with contractions that describe the mind or experience of a character, and with contractions that compress verbs and negating adverbs. Pronoun-verb contractions in the present tense will be almost all in dialogue, but I'd okay them anyway.
332 2018-05-27 04:34:06
Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B. (1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Ah, Britannia waives the rules ...
333 2018-05-26 18:40:38
Re: Projects (15 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Not that kind of sparky.
334 2018-05-26 10:43:12
Re: Projects (15 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Projects? Well, I'm still working on my little Sparky monster. Unfortunately Photobucket wants money to let me embed photos. I need another service, free. (Suggestions?)
I had hoped to spend this last week putting the circuit sections together but there's a part that needs to be tested first. (And I've been trying to figure out how to mount things so the 'main' output transistors sit at different heights on their heatsink. I'll use adhesive thermal mounting tape to create the cooling path from the transistors.)
Those transistors don't take the brunt of the heat; the bootstrap transistors on the big heatsinks do. (Photo needed). Those are small monsters, FLJ4315 and FLJ4215. (There are several part numbers for each, and they are a complementary pair--see below.)
Besides that, there's a part of the circuit(s (positive and negative)) that I need to test independently, to be sure it will work over the whole voltage range. But that range is beyond the capacity of my bench supplies, so I need test tools. I've spent much of the past week sketching out--and dreaming over--designs. But each of them is a Big Project in itself, so as much as I like them, they go off into the indefinite future. I've got a design that will let me do the basic test.
The thing to be tested is a constant current supply circuit, and I need to test it both positive and negative. Since I have several projects stacked up, and almost all involve a constant current supply (or a constant voltage supply of similar design) I'll test the bunch. They differ in the values of the resistors, the polarity of transistors, and the number of stages in the stabilizing circuit. BUT ...
I need to test them over a wide range, and I need something to test that. I've got a fairly minimal design that I can hang off an existing tool, and test first on its own, driven by a stack of AAA cells. Oh, but I need to order the multiple holders for said cells, and I need a switch arrangement so I can cut blocks of cells in and out. Straghtforward, but it takes time. Oh, and I'm low on the switches I use for the purpose. (Alkaline AAAs to be bought from Harbor Freight at $7 for 24. And they're about 95% of the name brands.) I can test this on its own. It needs to track the input voltage and to limit the output current to about 150 milliamps so I can't burn the transistors up. Guess what--the current limiting is done with a circuit very like the constant current circuit.
And there is still some cutting, etc., for the minimal design. Plastic, mostly, a nice change from the steel I've been drilling, and been cutting with cutoff wheels in the Dremel. I don't have separate physical and electronic lab, and everything is covered in steel dust. Whenever I work, my hands come away smelling of iron. (And the Dremel work created a fair amount of brown iron oxide, even though I tried not to let stuff get hot enough to throw sparks.)
Meanwhile, the present tool design depends on the same transistors as the 'main output' transistor bank: 2SA2040's (PNP) and 2SC5707's (NPN). These are 'complementary' types, which means they are supposed to be (almost) identical except for polarity. The NPN's take a positive current at the base terminal; the PNP's a negative current. Thing is, they can't be perfect mirror images of each other. (Read about electrons and holes around semiconductor junctions) So I need to test the two polarities of supply seperately. (I'm using another complementary pair: KSC1845 and KSA992. Same caveat.)
I went to look for my stock of the 2040s and 5707s. They're shipped in sealed, static-protective envelopes. I found two full orders and one partially used order of the 2040s, but only one of the 5707s--with just a few in it. Not enough for the projects at hand, and it was after 6:00 PM on Friday of Memorial Day weekend. Well, my two suppliers are in Central and Mountain time, and I rushed to place orders to both of them. (They are about $0.65 in qty 10.) Probably not in time.
Then I found another seven or eight 5707s in another envelope. Enough to get me though the weekend, I hope.
I REALLY want to finish up for the present and spend June writing.
335 2018-05-26 10:10:35
Re: Projects (15 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Hell hath no fury like a bureaucrat who believes his work necessary--except a bureaucrat who believes that he is working for good. Blame Col. Edward Mandel House.
336 2018-05-24 22:43:38
Re: Donation as a door prize for ADULTS (2 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
It's everywhere. There's a story about how an anus proved its importance to the rest of the body by shutting down for a week. That's how bureaucrats prove they run things. Praise them and kowtow to their agendas or they will shut you down--and maybe put you in jail, beggar you, or both.
337 2018-05-24 17:49:02
Re: As Darkness Gathers (the Connor series) - Dirk B. (1,438 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
I'd say this is a case of stylebook rules. I go by global structure, so I don't see a need. Still, if you want to put one in, that's the right place--the place where several levels of structure end and you resume the suspended structure above them.
338 2018-05-22 05:18:08
Re: Naming minor characters (9 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Monks, nuns, brothers and sisters may have names of the 'wrong' gender. More common for sisters and nuns, but not unknown among the masculine monastic houses. Expect that a small set of names (maybe 20) will be re-used.
339 2018-05-22 02:21:30
Re: Naming minor characters (9 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
With priests, other religious, and doctors, they may still address each other by title and last name in all but the most away-from-work settings. (For monks, lay brothers, nuns, and sisters, title and first name.)
340 2018-05-21 02:13:35
Re: The Sorcerer's Progress (1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
On violence in society, from the Cat Rotator's Quarterly.
341 2018-05-19 10:22:02
Re: Not again! (20 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Card hadn't planned to expand Ender's Game. But he had the idea for Speaker for the Dead and realized that the protagonist of Ender's Game was the right character to become the Speaker.
342 2018-05-19 00:39:04
Re: Moral Lessons, and the Bad Guy's PoV (2 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Under 'here'.
343 2018-05-18 19:30:39
Re: Not again! (20 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Asimov, =Nightfall.=. Card, =Ender's Game=.
344 2018-05-18 00:59:57
Topic: Moral Lessons, and the Bad Guy's PoV (2 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Exceptional short lesson here, even if you don't like the speaker.
345 2018-05-15 00:34:01
Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread (1,905 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Oh, and it's Smaller Than A Saucepan. With 12 knobs on the front panel. In two rows. And with 18 binding posts. In three colors, and six bent columns.
But no Buttons to Push.
346 2018-05-15 00:13:49
Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread (1,905 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Oh, I'm alternating between making story notes, reviewing and doing Unrelated Things, and drilling and cutting and threading and grinding for the physical design of project TopOfStack. I'll have to find another photo hosting service so I can put some pictures up. It's gonna look like Cousin It (in Lovecraftian Color) crossed with an hour-slot TV show's idea of a mad scientist's doomsday lottery machine.
347 2018-05-15 00:05:52
Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread (1,905 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)
Somehow I think he's going to get off easy, no matter what you do to him. Derek Lowe's 'when you're locked in a self-storage unit with two rabid wolverines, why not add a third?' seems far too tame, a whole different order of mellow. Even if Ghen gets Most Seriously P**sed with him, it's not enough.
348 2018-05-12 23:35:09
Re: General Comments Section (281 replies, posted in Alpha to Omega - Review Group)
No, definitely an alpha level test.
349 2018-05-12 21:09:31
Re: Date Wierdness in Reviews (13 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Anyone got a TARDIS I can borrow?
350 2018-05-12 13:50:12
Re: Date Wierdness in Reviews (13 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
But I started in yesterday.