njc wrote:

I read that the 'grapevine' was a tavern of that name where the movers and shakers of the time rubbed elbows with everyone else--and carried on business.

So that'd be 'I heard it in the Grapevine'

I've read several theories as to the origin, but prefer this explanation http://www.cjnotebook.com/heard-grapevine/  there's more story to it.

Interleaved

corra wrote:

I thought of Hilary Mantel when I read those opening lines. Sort of choppy yet poetic. (I hope you're doing well, Dill.) x

I'm doing okay, thanks. I hope you are thriving too? Lifting heavy things from the sound of it.

The opener is an abstract vignette. Well written, evocative and a little purple for some readers tastes. "Choppy yet poetic" is a great description. There are a few of these passages throughout the novel; not too many. The main body of prose is far less abstract and more functional. It flows well.

We have a clutch of current female writers who write historical fiction set mainly within the Tudor period. The main authors are Hilary Mantel, Elizabeth Fremantle, and of course, the most prolific, Phillipa Gregory. All superb writers. Mantel and Fremantle write in the 3rd person whilst Gregory tackles the subject in 1st person POV.

This is the opener from Philippa Gregory's 'The Taming of the Queen'


           HAMPTON COURT PALACE, SPRING 1543

He stands before me, as broad as an ancient oak, his face like a full moon caught high in the topmost branches, the rolls of creased flesh upturned with goodwill. He leans, and it is as if the tree might topple on me. I stand my ground but I think — surely he's not going to kneel, as another man knelt at my feet, just yesterday, and covered my hands with kisses? But if this mountain of a man ever got down, he would have to be hauled up with ropes, like an ox stuck in a ditch; and besides, he kneels to no-one.

I think, he can't kiss me on the mouth, not here in the long room with musicians at one end and everyone passing by. Surely that can't happen in this mannered court, surely this big moon face will not come down on mine. I stare up at the man that my mother and all her friends once adored as the handsomest in England, the king that every girl dreamed of, and I whisper a prayer that he did not say the words he just said. Absurdly, I pray that I misheard him.

In confident silence, he waits for my assent. I realise: this is how it will be from now until death us do part, he will wait for my assent or continue without it. I will have to marry this man who looms larger and stands higher than anyone else. He is above mortals, a heavenly body just below angels: the King of England. `I am so surprised by the honour,' I stammer. The pursed pout of his little mouth widens into a smile. I can see the yellowing teeth and smell his old-dog breath.
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I like the character she injects into the voice.

The image of Colonel Bee stringing his telegraph wires throughout the trees. and some observer christening his improvised communications network, 'the grapevine'; and that nickname becoming a national metaphor for improvised or non-structured communication, is awesome.

Would we even know and use the term so generally if it hadn't have been for the Marvin Gaye song? (Especially here in the UK).

It answers a long-term question of mine that I'd forgotten. As a youngster, I'd never encountered the term and the aforementioned song lyrics baffled me when first heard. 

It was as alien to my ear and someone singing 'I heard it through the strawberry plant' or  'I heard it through the turnip'

I've not written prose since the last short story competition on this site. You must have your muse.

I'm jealous. It is glorious to be in full flow, in the groove, writing for the exhilaration of it. I want to get back there!

corra wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

The Girl in the Glass Tower by Elizabeth Fremantle

Sounds good!

It's okay; keeping me reading, but there is not a great deal going on and I'm midway through. It's very much a female read (IMO). Written by a female and the two protagonists are also female. It is the Woman's POV.

That's not a bad thing, I'm not complaining, and I knew what I was in for. History is usually all about the men. The women in history are (traditionally) not given the focus and predominance they deserve. It is refreshing to see/hear the other side of it.

I like Fremantle's prose, it is clear and succinct whilst flowing naturally and is a pleasure to absorb. Her portrayal of Tudor/Elizabethan life is fascinating. I think I prefer it to some of the more highly acclaimed Hilary Mantel stuff. For me Fremantle rolls off the page a little more smoothly and still retains the Tudor period ambiance. Mantle puts you there; right in with her characters (which is great, but can be hard going at times) whilst Fremantle tells a flowing story of her characters.
   
Thumbs up, then.  It'll remain upon my bookshelf this one (and space there is contested, so it is a measure of a book's worth to me, if I feel I need to find the space to retain it).

x

corra wrote:

"That's what she said."

She heard it through the grapevine.

(origin, Colonel Bee ACW?)

The Girl in the Glass Tower by Elizabeth Fremantle

(only one chapter in, but encouraged by what I've read so far)

Opening lines:

Is the hammering inside my head?

Tap, tap, tap, in the soft place beneath my temple, in the matter where my thoughts live. Something, someone tapping, wants to be heard, to escape.

It is a subtle and prolonged species of torture, this noise, reminding me of the impossibility of freedom.

I am the pane in the window overlooking the courtyard; I am cracked in two places but still manage to hold my form. Through the glass the world is distorted, divided into three parts, each with its own perspective, none of them quite true.

Tap, tap, tap.

Dill Carver wrote:

Das Reich by Max Hastings
(non-fiction)

I visited Oradour-sur-Glane last month and just had to read the background. Hastings' account was recommended. Harrowing history.

"Sweet Sassy Molassy"

Das Reich by Max Hastings
(non-fiction)

(Two women at a window, peering into the Intérieur room)

"He's insisting that he said, 'Make sure that you pack plenty of sun-screen, but I thought that he'd said icecream too!"

The book came to me from my younger sister. Indirectly. It was at her chair-side with a bookmark about half way in. My elder sister thought I should have it. A legacy. The last book she nearly read.

I felt it my duty to finish it on her behalf.

(Intérieur)

Cynthia sobbed and Gregory grimaced; with a full quart of clotted-cream spilled into the keyboard of their prototype laptop -- Windows '1865 was never going to reboot after this.

corra wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

A little testy?

Said the bold professor on the last day of class, tossing back his head to laugh the self-satisfied laugh of the tenured as twenty-five sullen mouths grimaced and forty-nine* haggard eyes sighed, for they'd studied all night.

*one of the students is a pirate.


So, that'd be two Pirates then? The professor and the one-eyed testee

(White Oleander by Janet Fitch)

10 on the poignancy scale! This lady has a fine way with words.


Love is temperamental. Tiring. It makes demands. Love uses you. Changes its mind. But hatred, now. That's something you can use. Sculpt. Wield. It's hard or soft, however you need it. Love humiliates you, but hatred cradles you. It's so soothing.

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Loneliness is the human condition. Cultivate it. The way it tunnels into you allows your soul room to grow. Never expect to outgrow loneliness. Never hope to find people who will understand you, someone to fill that space. An intelligent, sensitive person is the exception, the very great exception. If you expect to find people who will understand you, you will grow murderous with disappointment. The best you'll ever do is to understand yourself, know what it is that you want, and not let the cattle stand in your way.

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What was beauty unless you intended to use it, like a hammer, or a key? It was just something for other people to use and admire, or envy, despise. To nail their dreams onto like a picture hanger on a blank wall. And so many girls saying, use me, dream me.

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The mind was so thin, barely a spiderweb, with all its fine thoughts, aspirations, and beliefs in its own importance. Watch how easily it unravels, evaporates under the first lick of pain.

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The reason we studied history was to find out why things were the way they were, how we got here. You could to anything you wanted to people who didn't know their history.

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Love is a bedtime story, a teddy bear, familiar, one eye missing.


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What was a weed, anyway. A plant nobody planted? A seed escaped from a traveler's coat, something that didn't belong? Was it something that grew better than what should have been there? Wasn't it just a word, weed, trailing its judgments. Useless, without value. Unwanted.

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Beauty was my mother's law, her religion. You could do anything you wanted, as long as you were beautiful, as long as you did things beautifully. If you weren't, you just didn't exist.

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Always learn poems by heart. They have to become the marrow in your bones. Like fluoride in the water, they'll make your soul impervious to the world's soft decay.



So many more I could quote from this deliciously written novel.

corra wrote:

Share a scene (or passage) in a work of literature that works, & say why. smile


"I wont let anyone touch me," I finally said.

"Why not?"

Why not? Because I was tired of men. Hanging in doorways, standing too close, their smell of beer or fifteen-year-old whiskey. Men who didn't come to the emergency room with you, men who left on Christmas Eve. Men who slammed the security gates, who made you love them and then changed their minds. Forests of boys, their ragged shrubs full of eyes following you, grabbing your breasts, waving their money, eyes already knocking you down, taking what they felt was theirs.

(White Oleander by Janet Fitch)

Short questions that provoke poignant inner reflection before a short answer is given. The power of the novel over the movie. Within prose the inner workings of the mind, the hidden feelings can be be fully communicated to the reader.

A little testy?

“The leaf fall of his words, the stained glass hues of his moods, the rust in his voice, the smoke in his mouth, his breath on my vision like human breath blinding a mirror.”

― Anaïs Nin, House of Incest

Strumpet

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corra wrote:

I'm about 140 pages into David Copperfield. xx

I've never read David Copperfield. Over the years I've seen several T.V. dramatizations and know the story. An autobiography of sorts, they say. Creatively embellished non-fiction.   

It's on the list. One of those that has always been on the list but distracted, I've never gotten around to it. x

Trumpet


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I'm midway through The Ashes of London by Andrew Taylor and enjoying it.

I'll give the Goose Debacle a look. I can preview the first 6 chapters with the Amazon 'look inside' feature.

Meanwhile, I've just finished, 'Fatherland' by Robert Harris and I enjoyed it immensely. It'll be one of my all-time favorites, I'm sure of that.

Tango   t