To the Last Man by Jeff Shaara   I'm still engrossed in this and enjoying it immensely,

corra wrote:

(Don't you love how long I go on? I have been told this is not one of my more endearing qualities.) lol

To be honest it doesn't bother me. I've never actually gotten to the end of anything you've ever written. lol

corra wrote:

Intellectual Trumps! THAT'S AN OXYMORON!

When I read this I did not get it at all. Trumps is oneupmanship. To Trump something is to out-do it. Source: Vocabulary.com To trump is to outrank or defeat someone or something, often in a highly public way.

No oxymoron there. Girl's gone skew whiff I'm thinking.

This evening it clicked. You mean 'the Trumps' the new USA Royal family/King equivalent people!!!  The leader of USA, the ultimate American, Trump.

That's why you capitalized the 'T' within your play on words.

So it's actually me who is doolally, not you.

I used to be so sharp but am definitely dumbing down with age.

corra wrote:

I can see it. It looks incredible. The connection with your grandfather is really special.

Dunkirk, the London Blitz, that era, that war... it forged our family. Generations on, it is responsible for where we live, how we were born. What we feel.

As formative, I should imagine, as the American Civil War was to you and yours.  We are all born of history.

Oh yes... the poignancy of 'Atonement.'   The novel, the movie... truly, modern classics.

There are so many messages within that stroll along the beach.

corra wrote:

I wasn't self- conscious. I actually read the entire novel in the nude. I figure if you can't beat them join them. I received some surprised looks on the train. I'm thinking of writing an entire series about my adventures.

I didn't mean that the embarrassment I witnessed on the 08:40hrs Schiphol to Utrecht Centraal was of a sexual innuendo nature. This is Holland, after all. Everyone is nude, all of the time. What I was driving at is the intellectual embarrassment factor. There am I reading an old edition of 'The Wreck of the Golden Mary By Charles Dickens', (that I'd bought a long time ago at car boot sale and was bringing over to loan to a colleague), and she, the fifty-shades lady, sat opposite me, in the late shade of her fifty-or-so years, she seemed self-conscious when she noticed my book and 'hid' her own. I think it was the sight of the Dickens that did this. I've seen this before on commuter trains; 'Intellectual trumps.'  It is only played by travellers from the age forty years old upwards (The thirty-something and under of the species doesn't seem to be afflicted). The middle-aged person reading the latest John Grisham or Harlan Coben is open about it. The cover is freely displayed without self-consciousness; whereas the person of a certain age who is reading something like Harry Potter or Twilight will go to great lengths to hide that fact... especially if somebody whips out a 'top trump', a classic like a Dickens an Austin or a Hemingway.

For a period, a few years ago I commuted into central London every day upon the same train with other regulars. Within the daily carriage, a very well heeled, silver-haired guy who was quite obviously 'something in the City' would read the J. K. Rowling series.  The paperback was consciously hidden within the covers of a legal folder as if it were pornography.  His facial expressions revealed that he was very engaged within the read and enjoying it, which I found (strangely) hypnotically charming to observe. Anyway, I thought the book title hierarchy hang-up was a middle-aged British phenomenon until I witnessed it here in the Netherlands.

Book snobbery; my revised opinion is that I think it is a European thing, social repression, a legacy from the centuries of class structure. Social hierarchy based upon the feudal system that you probably don't suffer from in the USA.

Can you view this trailer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ01tJ4EWeg

Looking forward to this one. My Grandad, Bert was there, that day.

I've not encountered a 'Nook' here in UK. Mind you, we don't have Barnes & Noble either, which is probably why.

Kindle's are very common though. I have to admit that my family bought me a Kindle a few years ago. Before I used it myself (other than as a book-end) I lent it to a colleague whom I haven't seen since and don't think I'll see again. I'm going to have to buy one on the quiet and pretend it is the original one. 'Thanks folks, I love it' is what I'll say as I wave it at them. I have it all planned.

Spotted a woman reading Geheimes Verlangen on the train yesterday. She spotted me spotting her and I grinned, she grimaced, flushed and tucked it into her 'perhaps bag' then looked out of the window for the rest of the journey. Was it like that for you between those covers? A mix of intrigue, shame, embarrassment and self consciousness?   wink

To the Last Man by Jeff Shaara   I liked his ACW work; this is a WW1 piece.

A monster sized book for the commute, but I couldn't walk past it in the Station bookstore. After lugging it home, I might finally go looking for a Kindle.

corra wrote:

I wish the smart-ass, wiseguy metaphors and simile quips within the dialogue were toned down a bit

Sounds a bit like your reading of Catch-22.

I love Catch-22, the irony, sardonic repose and general wiseguy-ness is totally in context and wonderful within John Yossarian's illogical world. It fits... akin to the likes of Bilko and Mash.

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SolN wrote:

Ok. We can look into adding that feature back. I wanted to remove some of the coercive features of the old site but people seemed to like them.

I feel that if the system were able to remind the reviewed author to kindly consider a reply to the reviewer out of courtesy, after say 10 or 14 days without a reply... then this would cover the forgetful and those with limited laptop battery lifetime, whilst allowing the strategic non-respondents to make their 'please don't review me again' point. It might (a long shot) also keep the democratic antagonists as happy as their habitual smile icons would suggest they already are?

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njc wrote:

From time to time I find I've missed a review in a flurry.  A reminded would be enough for me.

What happens if I'm getting ready to paste a chapter in when a review comes in?  Does the paste fail?  Does the chapter refuse to update because of one--or several--reviews that come in just at that moment?  What if I'm running on a laptop with a limited battery runtime?

What happens? Give us the context. Are these scenarios based within a community of 'community' or a community of 'self' ?

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Mine is only a personal opinion BTW.

What do I know? I am of tNBW past, not tNBW present.

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Marilyn Johnson wrote:

I think we should go back to the old way of having to acknowledge reviews before being able to post something new.

That method was foolproof. It was a part of what built an interactive community back then. But that was different times, different people and this is a different site.

The new site seems more about 'self' than community. That's how it pans out, because that's what people want and you cant argue with that. Old friends and known associates aside, reviewing on tNBW has changed. Many reviewers employ subjectivity over objectivity and many writers will accept nothing other than gushing adoration about their writing when a true and honest edititing session would rip their delusion a new one. Many writers are not mature enough within the craft or don't have the personality that can accept honest objective critique and editorial advice.

These people are not ready for your time/effort and therefore I think that not replying to, or withholding a respone to a reveiw by a precious author is a wonderful mechanism. It quickly and painlessly eliminates those whom don't want your reviews, allowing you to concentrate upon those who do, without fuss or confrontation.

It also allows you to drop reviewers whose advice you don't solicit, respect or agree with.

In this time and place, I think the abstainence or non-reply to reviews feature is excellent.

There is no place for a foolproof mechanisim within a ship of fools.

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j p lundstrom wrote:

...In my opinion, anyone who can't be bothered to respond to a review is saying he/she doesn't care. Give them what they're asking for--don't bother to review their work. There are plenty of writers around who do appreciate a reviewer's help.

True. I've always assumed (learned from experience) that the absence of a response to a review is the time honoured tNBW way for the author to say -- "thanks, but no thanks; please don't bother to review my work again" -- without necessitating a confrontation.

corra wrote:

“Looking round the room I found there were so many false eyelashes flapping at me that I was beginning to feel a draught.”

Somehow I missed this comment. Is that an actual quote from the book?

The novel does sound a little disconcerting. Did you end up liking Field Grey? (Pardon me. I seem to have begun to dominate this thread. Sometimes I stick a book in this room so I won't forget to finish it, ha ha.) wink x


It is a typical Philip Kerr quote. He has created a character 'Bernie Gunther' who is a Berlin cop in the 1930's and 40'. Bernie is a reluctant Nazi and as a detective he is drafted into the Gestapo within the rise and fall of Hitler's Reich. The novels are written in a first person hard (or semi-hard) boiled style. I'm mixed in my opinion. As I read, I kind of hear a 'hard-bitten and caustic Chicago private investigator' voice. I really like the 30's, 40's, 50's Germany subject matter and the POV of Gunther as a character but I wish the smart-ass, wiseguy metaphors and simile quips within the dialogue were toned down a bit because they seem out of context and begin to grate and sound cheesey, all of which distracts from the gravitas elsewhere.

Noteworthy or not?  We shall see.

Coming soon...   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDDQ9CSdMfM

Watched this....

50 Shades of Clay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB7iGzNJd6s

Do I now have the original movie/novel completely covered?

And there was I, after reading Field Grey, By Philip Kerr, feeling that it was a little weird and slightly disconcerting to listen to a reluctant Nazi Gestapo officer living within the Holocaust events in the 30's and 40's using a Chandleresque semi/hard-boiled style of Raymond Chandler to narrate the horrors of that time and his part in them.

“Looking round the room I found there were so many false eyelashes flapping at me that I was beginning to feel a draught.”

corra wrote:

I'm reading Fifty Shades of Grey.

WHAT? You jest?

A quick Google search reveals some lines from the novel...


"His voice is warm and husky like dark melted chocolate fudge caramel... or something."

"And from a very tiny, underused part of my brain – probably located at the base of my medulla oblongata near where my subconscious dwells – comes the thought: He's here to see you

"I feel the colour in my cheeks rising again. I must be the colour of The Communist Manifesto."

"I can almost hear his sphinx-like smile through the phone."

"My very small inner goddess sways in a gentle victorious samba."

"I eye Christian's toothbrush. It would be like having him in my mouth. Hmm..."

"My inner goddess is doing the merengue with some salsa moves."

"The orange juice tastes divine. It's thirst-quenching and refreshing."

And dozens and dozens more...

I can't go there.

I feel it is compelling case against the modern human condition that this tripe is an international best-seller of mega proportion.

Can you almost hear my gargoyle-like grimace through the Internet?

And the use and placement of the word 'suddenly' is precisely and expertly executed for effect.

And yet the $50 Creative Writing Course Law aficionado will insist the word 'suddenly' is highly illegal smile

Freeform oration...

How did we go from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDNCEp8Utjo

to Rap?

(For the tingle)

Juliet Stevenson reads Virginia Woolf's suicide note

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ze0p4kDqHE

corra wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

I watched the ACW movie 'Free State of Jones' ...

I've never heard of this! Just ordered a copy at my library...

"The history of Jones County, Mississippi during the Civil War and the immediately following period."

Newton Knight was your very own Robin Hood. Only, Robin Hood is an olde English legend whilst Newt Knight is an ACW reality.

The movie is half decent too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EMkxEKKSQI

Rent it for your Mom. I owe her a reccomendation x

Short sentences describe the swing; the build-up to the swinging motion.


Mr. Zuckerman had the best swing in the county.

It was a single long piece of heavy rope tied to the beam over the north doorway.

At the bottom end of the rope was a fat knot to sit on.

It was arranged so that you could swing without being pushed. 

You climbed a ladder to the hayloft.

Then, holding the rope, you stood at the edge and looked down, and were scared and dizzy. 

Then you straddled the knot, so that it acted as a seat.

Then you got up all your nerve, took a deep breath, and jumped.


Tension and anticipation is built with the three sentences beginning with 'Then.'
There is complete clarity within the description of the swing. No ambiguity, we see it so very clearly

And then as you push off with the ''and jumped' phrase,  longer, swishing sentences follow to describe the swinging.
Further repetition of 'then' is used to continue momentum.


For a second you seemed to be falling to the barn floor far below, but then suddenly the rope would begin to catch you and you would sail through the barn door going a mile a minute, with the wind whistling in your eyes and ears and hair. 

Then you would zoom upward into the sky, and look up at the clouds, and the rope would twist and you would twist and turn with the rope. 

Then you would drop down, down, down, out of the sky and come sailing back into the barn almost into the hayloft, then sail out again (not quite so far this time), then in again (not quite so  high), then out again, then in again, then out, then in; and then you’d jump off and fall down and let somebody else try it.


Obvious once you poem-format the paragraph. If the last sentence was written in the style of the first sentence it'd be four or more sentences long.

If you wrote like this, here today; then somebody would run the prose through 'Autocrit' and inform you that you've over repeated the words 'then' and 'down' to the point of illegality. Whack you for the length of the final sentence.

As it is, the description of Zuckerman's swing is as delicious today as ever it was.