Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

Temple Wang wrote:

I'd say appealing to God for funds is a better way than appealing to the members of a website that we pay monthly to be on.  I get enough pitches on email to buy this and buy that and give to this poor soul and give to that poor soul.  I get it from beggars on the street too, and on the phone and text messages, yadayadaya.   I don't need to here it here where I pay good money not to be bombarded by advertising and people begging money for their book. Why wait until it's a problem?  And why encourage soliciting for money?   It's a bad idea, bad precedent.

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*I don't need to [here] (hear) it here*

Professional courtesy. smile

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

corra wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

I'd say appealing to God for funds is a better way than appealing to the members of a website that we pay monthly to be on.  I get enough pitches on email to buy this and buy that and give to this poor soul and give to that poor soul.  I get it from beggars on the street too, and on the phone and text messages, yadayadaya.   I don't need to hear it here where I pay good money not to be bombarded by advertising and people begging money for their book. Why wait until it's a problem?  And why encourage soliciting for money?   It's a bad idea, bad precedent.

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*I don't need to [here] (hear) it here*

Professional courtesy. smile

Thanks.  Add a comma before the "but".  Returning the favor.

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

Mikira, I didn't mean to make you feel bad. Let me make it up to you by designing a cover for you. For free.

Let me know.

dags smile

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

SolN wrote:

Mikira/Karen,

Anyone who contributes to this group is welcome to solicit the support of it. We are here to help writers bring their dreams to fruition and that's more than just getting feedback.

I wish you luck with your kickstarter campaign.
Sol

I fully support this! Thanks.

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

corra wrote:

Makira. I remember you from the early days! Horses and a fantasy novel. You were one of the first people I reviewed. It's really good to see you're so close to a complete project.

I haven't any money and don't have the time to review right now either (school! finals & papers! etc.) but I wanted to stop by to offer a forum hug and my best wishes with this project.

Keep your chin up. x

Hi Corra, I'm so happy you're still here. Yes I may have gotten a bit down by a few comments on this thread, but I never stay down for long.

<Big Hug> Right back at Ya.

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

dagnee wrote:

Mikira, I didn't mean to make you feel bad. Let me make it up to you by designing a cover for you. For free.

Let me know.

dags smile

Hi dags, Please don't feel bad. I know you didn't mean to make me feel bad.

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

SolN wrote:

I see no problem at all with someone who has developed their book on the site and spent the time to help others (as Mikira has done) putting out a call for some help promoting their book. In fact, I encourage it.

Sol

I have no problem with what has transpired, but I certainly understand the opposition's point of view since as the request for funds is presented, it does seem to conflict with at least the spirit of the membership agreement which states:

"You further agree not to utilize the Site for the purpose of advertising or solicitation without the express prior written consent of theNextBigWriter,..."

Just a thought. Take care. Vern

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

"You further agree not to utilize the Site for the purpose of advertising or solicitation without the express prior written consent of theNextBigWriter,..."

Using Kickstarter or some other crowd-funding site has become a legitimate way to raise money for various projects. I assumed the group's members could discuss and determine if they wanted to contribute or not. I have often seen requests on the forum soliciting support for a newly launched book, or asking for a review on Amazon or some other effort to help a member's book project.

I gave permission for Mikira to post something about her campaign on the site so this did not violate the site's terms and conditions. The clause in the member agreement really refers more to soliciting an unrelated business or a competitive business and not actual writing produced on the site. 

Sol

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

I'm afraid we're making too much fuss about this issue. Mikira did ask permission and it was granted. We've all asked support  in different ways (leave a comment on Amazon, contribute  with votes on certain site, even supportive words when a member is going through bad time), which, technically, could be considered solicitation. So, let's not make the site so tight there  wouldn't be space to breathe. Let's keep the thing friendly. God, this is not the IRS!

If anybody feels some forum discussion is too much, just turn a blind eye towards it--anyway, Sol moderates all of them, which means that all will keep the spirit of the site. Nobody is forced to read a particular forum, anyway.

I wouldn't like to eliminate ALL kind of solicitation. It would mean I couldn't even ask for a favour. So, let's make ourselves a favour  and tone this conversation down. Kindly be reminded that we all need each other, and sooner or later, any of us will need some kind of help. We're a community, let's support each other.

Kiss

Gacela.

35 Reply by Charles_F_Bell (edited by Charles_F_Bell 2015-03-04 07:36:56)

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

mikira (AKA KLSundstrom) wrote:

This isn't to pay a publisher, the project is to get funds to help me pay for a professional editor, cover designer and a list of other things such as both paperback and hard cover books, plus money to help me promote the book once I publish it, because I will probably look at self-publishing this novel.

South Park Riffs On Startups, Kickstarter

http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/26/south- … ntroversy/

Some of the highlights include Stan explaining to his dad that he doesn’t need school anymore because he’s doing a startup now. “We don’t want to do anything,” says Stan. Then Kyle chimes in and explains, “That’s why we want to have a startup company.”

Cartman tells a conference full of faithful fans. “And now our company is thrilled to show you all the latest innovations we’ve come up with. To begin with, we have moved the couch from the left side of the office, to the right side,” he tells them.

Cartman' 4-point plan

1. Start up
2. Cash in
3. Sell out
4. Bro down

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

Mariana Reuter wrote:

I'm afraid we're making too much fuss about this issue. Mikira did ask permission and it was granted. We've all asked support  in different ways (leave a comment on Amazon, contribute  with votes on certain site, even supportive words when a member is going through bad time), which, technically, could be considered solicitation. So, let's not make the site so tight there  wouldn't be space to breathe. Let's keep the thing friendly. God, this is not the IRS!

If anybody feels some forum discussion is too much, just turn a blind eye towards it--anyway, Sol moderates all of them, which means that all will keep the spirit of the site. Nobody is forced to read a particular forum, anyway.

I wouldn't like to eliminate ALL kind of solicitation. It would mean I couldn't even ask for a favour. So, let's make ourselves a favour  and tone this conversation down. Kindly be reminded that we all need each other, and sooner or later, any of us will need some kind of help. We're a community, let's support each other.

Kiss

Gacela.

Gacela, my thoughts exactly.  I couldn't have said it any better.  Thanks!

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

I don't see a prob with people wanting a leg up but I do wonder if it wouldn't be possible to have separate page where all such requests whether for Amazon reviews or grubstaking were (in a 'gallery' ?). Here any rewards for support etc would be stated.
Passed on messages to 'connections' would provide a reasonable start notification but also one could go see what members were getting published etc.
These requests would also not quickly get subsumed somewhere in a forum thread.

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

SolN wrote:

"You further agree not to utilize the Site for the purpose of advertising or solicitation without the express prior written consent of theNextBigWriter,..."

Using Kickstarter or some other crowd-funding site has become a legitimate way to raise money for various projects. I assumed the group's members could discuss and determine if they wanted to contribute or not. I have often seen requests on the forum soliciting support for a newly launched book, or asking for a review on Amazon or some other effort to help a member's book project.

I gave permission for Mikira to post something about her campaign on the site so this did not violate the site's terms and conditions. The clause in the member agreement really refers more to soliciting an unrelated business or a competitive business and not actual writing produced on the site. 

Sol

That should clarify it. Thanks. Take care. Vern

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

Temple Wang wrote:

Thanks.  Add a comma before the "but".  Returning the favor.

Oh, are we editing kind remarks between friends (who are also paying members of the site, and would prefer not to see folks publicly decimated and humiliated by cranky newcomers, as that degrades the good cheer and also tends to make the site look quite unprofessional)?

I thought we were only editing tirades! lol I offer you one above to tweak at your leisure.

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

We used to have a dedicated thread called MEMBER ANNOUNCEMENTS that always contained these sort of posts...among other things.

And Corra, I'd love to see you join Memphis' new crit group--you are the queen of the shred!

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

Okay, I'm a retiree living on an 800-dollar a month stipend.  Please enroll me for free in the classes for screenwriting and short-story writing.  I've been nice to everybody, and I do reviews all the time. 

Doesn't that sound ridiculous?  Aside from the fact that it's demeaning to yourself, it's an embarrassment to the community of writers.  Sure, we'd all like to have help, from time to time, but we're here to help each other learn, not pay the bills. 

Sorry, Tom, I'm going to have to side with Temple on this.

And you, Missy--I checked out your site.  If you can afford to maintain a site, you can afford to pay an editor.  And just because you tell me how good your book is, doesn't prove anything.  Was it posted on tnbw for us to appraise?  It just happens I spent the day researching land fraud.  Are you trying to sell us some swamp land?

Nothing personal.

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Okay, I'm a retiree living on an 800-dollar a month stipend.  Please enroll me for free in the classes for screenwriting and short-story writing.  I've been nice to everybody, and I do reviews all the time. 

Doesn't that sound ridiculous?  Aside from the fact that it's demeaning to yourself, it's an embarrassment to the community of writers.  Sure, we'd all like to have help, from time to time, but we're here to help each other learn, not pay the bills. 

Sorry, Tom, I'm going to have to side with Temple on this.

And you, Missy--I checked out your site.  If you can afford to maintain a site, you can afford to pay an editor.  And just because you tell me how good your book is, doesn't prove anything.  Was it posted on tnbw for us to appraise?  It just happens I spent the day researching land fraud.  Are you trying to sell us some swamp land?

Nothing personal.

So, don't give money. No one has a  gun to your head. Why all the fuss and blather?

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

Well, crud.  This escalated quickly, didn't it?  As Steve Martin would say: "Well, excuuuuuuse me".  Sorry to even try to help someone.  If you don't like this thread, then don't read it.  She had permission for it.  End Of Story!

~Tom

44 Reply by mikira (AKA KLSundstrom) (edited by mikira (AKA KLSundstrom) 2015-03-05 02:56:01)

Re: Mikira could use a bit of help

j p lundstrom wrote:

Okay, I'm a retiree living on an 800-dollar a month stipend.  Please enroll me for free in the classes for screenwriting and short-story writing.  I've been nice to everybody, and I do reviews all the time.

If I were a Facebook friend with this person and were able to verify what this person is saying is true, then I would find away, even if it put me in even more debt then I am right now, to pay for one of those classes for this person.

j p lundstrom wrote:

Doesn't that sound ridiculous?

The way you wrote it, is a little ridiculous. But you intentionally wrote it to sound that way.

j p lundstrom wrote:

Aside from the fact that it's demeaning to yourself, it's an embarrassment to the community of writers.  Sure, we'd all like to have help, from time to time, but we're here to help each other learn, not pay the bills.

I don't feel demeaned, in any way shape or form. In fact when I read these two sentences this thought came to me. "Get behind me deceiver." Because I get harassed by him a lot. But it's okay, I know Who is in my corner and it's all good. Because He is always working on making the bad change into good for me.

j p lundstrom wrote:

Sorry, Tom, I'm going to have to side with Temple on this.

You can side with whomever you want that's your call. However, stepping in and being a bit rude about it, is something you could have controlled yourself from doing.

j p lundstrom wrote:

And you, Missy--I checked out your site.  If you can afford to maintain a site, you can afford to pay an editor.  And just because you tell me how good your book is, doesn't prove anything.  Was it posted on tnbw for us to appraise?

This is the rudest part of all.  For starters, which website are you referring to? Kickstarter? That's free. My Professional Facebook page? That's free. Or this one: http://karensundstrom.weebly.com/ which maybe costs me $100.00 a year. But I can't remember if that's actually a yearly price or for three years. To me that's not a lot to spend to keep that site up and running until I have more time to devote to it.

And yes I'm starting to post  my novel to this site.

The only thing I'll admit is that I made a mistake about is that I had put the cart before the horse, meaning I started the Kickstarter project before getting a good fan base. - But I want to let it run it's course, because I'm starting to get a nice Twitter following, and I even quoted parts of my novel after gaining over a hundred fans in a very short period of time and I continue to gain at least ten fans a day now without having to do much on twitter. So no matter what happens with that project. It will have helped me start to gain a fan base.

j p lundstrom wrote:

Nothing personal.

In fact it was personal, it wasn't quite as vicious of an attack as Temple's was yesterday, but I would still view it as an attack. Because you are calling me a fraud with these two comments:

j p lundstrom wrote:

It just happens I spent the day researching land fraud.  Are you trying to sell us some swamp land?

So I suggest taking a few more courses in detective work, because you obviously aren't very good at it.