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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Impressions: It's trying too hard to conceal the identity. Is it worth the effort? There is no one in the story it could be that would carry any shock value-- not even the detectives or the pope (though the latter would be humourous given the level of physical activity). The reason for this lack-of-shock factor is the story hasn't "sold" us that it isn't any given person. If this was a movie, I'd suggest the dark figure was Connor from the future, but yes, it could be anyone even one of the victims.

Maybe take another swing at it?

http://www.skyfire.ca/kwan/tnbw/dark_figure.jpg

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

I agree r.e. the many references to 'dark figure'. In one of my previous versions, the dark figure claimed he was the Antichrist right from the beginning of the chapter, so all of the references to dark figure were replaced with the Antichrist. It read much better. Unfortunately, the dark figure is not the Antichrist and his true identity won't be revealed until the end. As a result, if the dark figure goes around claiming to be the Antichrist when only his victims are listening, it will come across as a cheat later when he's revealed to be someone else. Why claim to be someone you're not if the only purpose is to trick the reader? The closest I could come to justifying his lies is that he likes theater and he doesn't want to be caught off guard. Even Vitale is skeptical in the latest version of this chapter. I'll take another look at him calling himself the Antichrist, but I think it's a stretch. I need the reader to know that his claims of being the Antichrist may not be true to avoid cheating at the end.

FYI, Connor is not the dark figure. That will be ruled out in my next chapter. The dark figure is 185 cm and Connor is 175 cm. I set that up in earlier chapters, but the Pope's Council will discuss it as they try to figure out who Connor really is.

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hat will be ruled out in my next chapter. The dark figure is 185 cm and Connor is 175 cm. I set that up in earlier chapters, but the Pope's Council will discuss it as they try to figure out who Connor really is.

Height difference doesn't rule it out (Connor from the future grew 10cm). Gender difference doesn't rule it out (Campanella's real form is a male). Being dead (run over while fleeing an ex-lover) doesn't rule it out. There is no proof of anything yet.

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

I wore myself out trying to figure out how best to solve the repetitive references to dark figure. Finally decided to just delete roughly half the references to dark. Lots of references to figure, but I don't know of a better solution. His identity as the Antichrist comes too late in the chapter to play a useful role. I briefly considered referring to him as that thing (it's from the cardinal's POV), but I wanted to keep things consistent with the rest of the chapters. This is the only chapter where the overuse of dark figure/figure occurs. The story is transitioning so everyone will think of him as the Antichrist by the end of Act 1.

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip
That started from this topic port aboard this tiny ship
The mate was a mighty sailing man, the skipper brave and sure
Five passengers set sail that day on a three hour tour
A three hour tour

Of course it begs the question why the Howells, Ginger, and even Maryanne brought enough clothes to dress differently for almost ever episode. Also, why did Thurston bring a trunk full of cash? Plot holes!

They not only brought enough clothes to dress differently for every episode, they were up with the latest fashions--at least Ginger and Mary Ann were.

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Dirk B. wrote:

I wore myself out trying to figure out how best to solve the repetitive references to dark figure. Finally decided to just delete roughly half the references to dark. Lots of references to figure, but I don't know of a better solution.

You're tackling it too soon. Give it a few weeks (months?) to bake. After a few sleeps, you'll have it. Ugly fact: the human brain continues to work on real world problems during REM sleep instead of... you know... relaxing. Impossible tasks surprisingly have solutions after some time has elapsed.

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Problem eliminated. I decided to have the dark figure reveal himself as the Antichrist right after he arrives. From then on Vitale only thinks of him as the Antichrist. I also added that Vitale thinks he knows him from somewhere, but can't figure out where because the Antichrist is hiding in shadows with fake eyes and a fake voice.

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Is this too silly? I'm trying for Rutger Hauer in the original Bladerunner. He frequently smiled playfully even though he was a merciless killer.

Vitale’s eyes went wide and he struggled to stand. “Who … who are you?”
The dark figure smiled playfully, the outline of his lips barely visible. “Mother Teresa.”
Vitale frowned and waited.
The dark figure shrugged. “Nobody gets me. So be it. Here’s a hint from Scripture: ‘And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads; and on its horns were ten diadems, and on its heads were blasphemous names.’”
Vitale crossed himself. “Antichristus!”
The Antichrist chuckled demonically. “Much better.”

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Absolutely can be made to work, but not every narrator can pull it off. You'll want to use a highly subjective one to achieve this without getting called on for animate/conscious smiles.

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Turns out I already own Paul of Dune, which is the younger Herbert's immediate sequel to Dune. Do I read it next or jump to Dune Messiah as Frank Herbert intended?

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I find it interesting/unusual that Frank Herbert chose to end Dune with Jessica's views of being a concubine ("history will call us wives"), rather than focusing on Paul.

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Also, Herbert made a point of Alia telling Paul that the Baron felt very little pain as he died. Personally, given everything the Baron did to Paul and House Atreides, I'd pick the nastiest poison in the arsenal.

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You assume that was Alia talking (and not, say, the Baron, as we know from Book III)

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Jesus. Are there really that much repeats of 'dark figure' in the post? I'm usually very keen on avoiding repeats...

Ray

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ray ashton wrote:

Jesus. Are there really that much repeats of 'dark figure' in the post? I'm usually very keen on avoiding repeats...

Ray

It takes real skill to produce crap like that and not notice.

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

I guess it does. I still can't believe it.

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On the other hand, my 'Find on Page' feature only found 2 repeats, which is still unacceptable, but it's not a cesspool of repeats. Feel a little better now. I hate writing reviews that appear to be posted solely as a means of gathering points.

A tall dark figure surrounded by swirling fog stood a few meters away. Light barely penetrated to his face or clothes, as if he were shrouded in deep shadows where none existed. He wore his long coat’s collar turned up, his eyes glowed fiery red, and he stank of burned-out ruins.
Vitale’s eyes went wide and he struggled to stand. “Who … who are you?”
The dark figure smiled playfully, the outline of his lips barely visible. “Mother Teresa.”
Vitale frowned and waited.
The dark figure shrugged.

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

I fixed it by having the dark figure identify himself as the Antichrist, which I didn't do until yesterday. I went back and forth about whether to do that so early in the story, but it's no secret that the Church will come to believe they and Connor are being stalked by him (it's in the book summary). I figure get him in there right from the get-go.

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Also, Ray, if you read the chapter, then as far as I'm concerned you should take the points, even if you have to switch to a regular review. Seabrass says the same thing. I usually have a difficult time finding enough things to inline comment on in his stories, except for a rare typo or details on stuff I can't picture. Personally, I'll never need the points, so I don't go out of my way to collect them.

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Yeah, I do mostly regular reviews, but when I'm lazy or tired... Still, I can't believe all those repeats escaped my attention. I do have a hard time concentrating. Dunno if it's the drugs or breathing problems that still linger. On the Antichrist: does the cardinal identify the dark figure (sorry) as such? Perhaps that's a better way to go rather than just state that? 'Cos you're in the cardinal's POV... I'll have to check it--tomorrow. Exhausted. Stay safe!

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

The cardinal asks him who he is. At first he says he's Mother Teresa, so the cardinal just frowns and waits. The dark figure sighs then quotes from the Book of Revelation about the Beast rising from the sea. The cardinal crosses himself and says, "Antichristus!", which the dark figure acknowledges with a demonic chuckle. From then on, the cardinal thinks of him as the Antichrist. After all, why would he lie? ;-)

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Yes, I checked that out. That's the way to go.

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Hmm. I begin to remember why Paul of Dune wasn't a great story. It's set a year after the events of Dune end and has a lot of potential. Unfortunately, the authors try to pull in material from the three House prequels, which I didn't enjoy. A lot of characters I didn't care for are reappearing, only older.

However, the story is much more understandable. The elder Herbert had a lot to say on ecology, religion, psychology, and politics, but I found some of it hard to interpret, even in my most recent reread. Paul of Dune is much clearer in that regard.

One scene in the latter where the authors missed the boat was when Emperor Paul Maud'dib addresses many great houses of the Landsraad on the old imperial home world of Kaitain.  The scene was way too short. That should have been a major chapter about Paul trying to win over the great houses to end his jihad as quickly as possible.

Ah, well. The sooner I get through it, the sooner I can start Dune Messiah and return to my half-confused state.

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Paul of Dune changed Dune canon so they could tell of an incident involving young Paul where he went offworld, even though Dune said he'd never been offworld before going to Arrakis. Paul of Dune claims that Dune was written by Princess Irulan and contained errors and omissions about Paul. Dune fans probably threw a hissy fit in the reviews about that.