Topic: Antagonists

There are many books and on-line references on writing, and fiction in particular.  Does anyone know of a book or reference on antagonists (bad guys) and aspects of conflict they create?

Re: Antagonists

The antagonist doesn't have to be a "bad guy" merely an opponent of the main character. Accordingly, though I don't know of any specific books on the subject, I would expect you develop them just like you would the "protagonist" and then put them in opposition. After all, the protagonist is in opposition to the antagonist also - for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. If you can do one, you can do the other. My ten cents (inflation) for what it's worth. Take care. Vern

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Re: Antagonists

A Writer's Guide to Characterization by Victoria Lynn Schmidt, describes the interactions of different character types, from which you can sort of pick and choose which ones to pit against each other as protagonist/antagonist. I found the book (used) on Amazon several years ago. It's a good resource, and a jumping-off point, sort of a fun game, but it's possible to get too carried away.

At first, I nearly drove myself crazy trying to make the characters I created conform to the "rules". Characters are people, too, and they may or may not display all the characteristics on somebody's list. It depends on how you, the author, portray them. Cut yourself a little slack. I still keep the book by my desk, but I hardly ever refer to it these days.

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I have several books that address the topic, but it’s not a “book length” topic in and of itself.  Just Google "how to write a great antagonist" and you’ll find plenty of solid articles and blog posts to bury yourself in.

Re: Antagonists

What I'm looking for,  as near as I can frame it, is some kind of map linking motive, character, and style of action.

Re: Antagonists

njc wrote:

What I'm looking for,  as near as I can frame it, is some kind of map linking motive, character, and style of action.

For me, motive would flow out of character, and the style of action would be determined by the motive. I suggest writing a biography of the character or a shadow plot with him as the star to see what he does.  As to why he's opposed to the protagonist, that can be anything--from being mad that the main character saved his life at the expense of his hair (Lex Luther and Superboy) to not understanding why the protagonist is doing what he's doing (Dagney Taggart vs John Galt) to the horrors of war turning a good man bad (Black Jack Randell vs. Claire Beachamp).

Lex Luthor is an example of how you can deepen the character's motive based on his character. In the latest incarnation, he fears for the safety of his planet, has self-esteem problems, so he hates Kryptonians and is anti-alien. He plays on the insecurities of others and his own sense of irrational inferiority drives him to destroy those better than him and to be a world dictator. It's easy to see what his motives are for destroying Superman, Supergirl, and Argo City, and his attempts at world domination. This leads to his theatrical style, using classical music as a background to his escape from custody. And that, in turn, gives his style. Yes, a graphic novel/TV series example, but it's illustrative.

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I think you are asking too broad a question. Yes, there are plenty of articles out there for how to solidly craft an antagonistic character, but none of them will specifically cover what you are asking for. Only the writer can answer such things. Like Rachel said, the style of action flows directly from overarching motive of your specific character in X situation, so a book will only give you examples and generalities.

I can somewhat relate though because when drafting my last wip, I was nagged by the overriding question of motive of my antag. As a pantser, I only had a very basic and general idea. But because there were many questions of legalities pertaining to my subject matter, I felt a much stronger than normal need to think more seriously about it early on. I did eventually come up with several potential scenarios and just kept writing until the one that made the most sense for my characters, given their situation, began to take shape.

And as vern suggested, an antagonist doesn't have to be a bad guy. They are merely the opposing force to the PRIMARY goal of your Protagonist. So the better questions to ask yourself are: What is my protags primary goal? What obstacles are they going to experience to get it? Once you answer those questions, the primary motive of your Antag is pretty much spelled out. You can always layer in secondary motives to bring color and dimension to their opposition (which I usually do in the edit phase when I have the fuller picture in front of me).

Re: Antagonists

We have to keep in mind, too, that a protagonist is the first mover of a story, the antagonist opposes him. This is important in understanding motive. In Atlas Shrugged, the book is mainly written from the antagonist's POV. Other POV's are present, but they dovetail into her. You find yourself rooting for her. The protagonist is vaguely felt and doesn't make himself known until way into the book. In Heart of Darkness, the antagonist is within the character of the protagonist and the reader is wondering about his motives until faced with the horror. (Something repeated in the movie based on it, Apocalypse Now.)

Sometimes, the antagonist is a whole system. Claire, in OUtlander, is constantly thwarted (at first; haven't gotten very far) in her goal to get back to her own time. Circumstances are the antagonist until BlackJack Randell graciously decides to fit that role. Then, his motives are brought out--he has experienced the heart of darkness and gone over to the dark side (how's that for mixing literary metaphors?) He's till a patriot, though, and is motivated by a desire to find the Jacobites.

The antagonist and the protagonist could be good guys, both working for the good, but at odds in how to achieve it. The antagonist might think the protagonist is the villain, only to find out (usually, almost too late) that he or she isn't.

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Rachel Parsons wrote:

The antagonist and the protagonist could be good guys, both working for the good, but at odds in how to achieve it. The antagonist might think the protagonist is the villain, only to find out (usually, almost too late) that he or she isn't.

What you've just described is a major part of the Girl Genius  story.

My need is for a early 'side trip' obstacle for my protagonist(s), a sort of pons asinorem.  I think I've got it now, by reworking and cutting what I've got now, and filling the matter in while a clock ticks somewhere else.