Topic: Run-on sentences that aren't

I guess because I like wordsmithing long sentences, I'm often (falsely) accused of writing run-ons. It's like authors here don't know what a run-on actually is, but, judging by the number of words between the first and the last one, it must automatically be one. It makes me wonder if they actually read books, or study at least some rudimentary principles of the English language, which puzzles me, given the fact English is not my mother tongue, and if I can do it, they most assuredly must be aware. Long sentences occur in novels of every genre, be it sci-fi, fantasy, horror, or speculative literary (whatever that is). Also, writing is hard work, and success must be earned. Submissions are often answered by dead air. It's not like a car mechanic is hired because he/she has a driver's license. Anyhoo, occasionally it will consume the better part of an hour for me to get it right.

So, here's the definition of a run-on sentence, to avoid further 'misunderstandings,' or planting comments as soon as there are more than, say, twenty words without a period at the end:

A run-on sentence exists when two or more independent clauses are not joined with the proper conjunction or punctuation. A run-on sentence is poor grammar. More than one independent clause cannot exist in a sentence unless they are properly combined. To properly combine clauses, correct conjunctions or punctuation must be added to the sentence. Despite their name, run-on sentences have nothing to do with length. Run-on sentences can be quite short, in fact. The only thing that determines a run-on sentence is when more than one independent clause exists without the proper tools to combine them.

Also see: https://writingexplained.org/grammar-di … n-sentence for examples.

During all my years of writing, I have never had a story rejected because of long sentences. Ever. My latest short story sale (Gigolo, which was up for review on this site a few weeks back) to https://www.3lobedmag.com/ contains this baby:

Only occasionally there's a glimpse of what once was, like a bubble of methane escapes melting permafrost and explodes: Jody's grandfather's apple orchard where they played hide and seek amidst old and gnarled tree trunks, the grass so high it tickled her thighs and chills ran down her spine when thinking how many nasty frogs might be hiding in this wilderness; Marcy's dad with his 8mm film camera, recording scenes for prosperity in his backyard, a sudden gust of wind blowing smoke from the barbeque onto the scene, obscuring three fourth-grade girls practicing for the cheerleading contest and granny laughing, granny who always understood everything, her favorite person in the whole world, granny in the background, granny she loved so much, granny who would pass away that same night; and cradled in soft chairs, the aroma of hot popcorn tickling her nostrils and Lea's impatience for the movie to begin and silently praying no big person will sit in front of her and her friends giggling and her mom telling them to hush but there's a smile in her voice and—

Can that be improved? I'm sure it can, but all I'm asking in this longish post is to pay attention to what and how it's written. and don't discard stuff without knowing why...

Ray

P.S. I'm not Shakespeare. I do this mostly for the money, and because my muse won't stop pestering the hell out of me. Plus, I'm a cranky old bastard. So there.

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Consider that it could be a failure of the reviewer to be able to distinguish between “run-on sentences” and “sentences that run on and on and on and on ... ”
(That’s a joke, Ray - aka “Cranky Old Bastard”)

3 (edited by ray ashton 2019-11-25 11:21:40)

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I know it's joke, my dear Temple.   :o)

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A sentence can stretch from clause to clause like a long linked chain, and yet remain readable if it pursues a single topic thread throughout.  Such can be found in Philip Bobbitt's =The Shield of Achilles= (nonfiction).  Bobbitt is supremely erudite, and though he takes no pains to show it it cannot be hidden.

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I had a run on sentence once but it ran away.

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ray ashton wrote:

I guess because I like wordsmithing long sentences, I'm often (falsely) accused of writing run-ons. It's like authors here don't know what a run-on actually is, but, judging by the number of words between the first and the last one, it must automatically be one. It makes me wonder if they actually read books, or study at least some rudimentary principles of the English language, which puzzles me, given the fact English is not my mother tongue, and if I can do it, they most assuredly must be aware. Long sentences occur in novels of every genre, be it sci-fi, fantasy, horror, or speculative literary (whatever that is). Also, writing is hard work, and success must be earned. Submissions are often answered by dead air. It's not like a car mechanic is hired because he/she has a driver's license. Anyhoo, occasionally it will consume the better part of an hour for me to get it right.

So, here's the definition of a run-on sentence, to avoid further 'misunderstandings,' or planting comments as soon as there are more than, say, twenty words without a period at the end:

A run-on sentence exists when two or more independent clauses are not joined with the proper conjunction or punctuation. A run-on sentence is poor grammar. More than one independent clause cannot exist in a sentence unless they are properly combined. To properly combine clauses, correct conjunctions or punctuation must be added to the sentence. Despite their name, run-on sentences have nothing to do with length. Run-on sentences can be quite short, in fact. The only thing that determines a run-on sentence is when more than one independent clause exists without the proper tools to combine them.

Also see: https://writingexplained.org/grammar-di … n-sentence for examples.

During all my years of writing, I have never had a story rejected because of long sentences. Ever. My latest short story sale (Gigolo, which was up for review on this site a few weeks back) to https://www.3lobedmag.com/ contains this baby:

Only occasionally there's a glimpse of what once was, like a bubble of methane escapes melting permafrost and explodes: Jody's grandfather's apple orchard where they played hide and seek amidst old and gnarled tree trunks, the grass so high it tickled her thighs and chills ran down her spine when thinking how many nasty frogs might be hiding in this wilderness; Marcy's dad with his 8mm film camera, recording scenes for prosperity in his backyard, a sudden gust of wind blowing smoke from the barbeque onto the scene, obscuring three fourth-grade girls practicing for the cheerleading contest and granny laughing, granny who always understood everything, her favorite person in the whole world, granny in the background, granny she loved so much, granny who would pass away that same night; and cradled in soft chairs, the aroma of hot popcorn tickling her nostrils and Lea's impatience for the movie to begin and silently praying no big person will sit in front of her and her friends giggling and her mom telling them to hush but there's a smile in her voice and—

Can that be improved? I'm sure it can, but all I'm asking in this longish post is to pay attention to what and how it's written. and don't discard stuff without knowing why...

Ray

P.S. I'm not Shakespeare. I do this mostly for the money, and because my muse won't stop pestering the hell out of me. Plus, I'm a cranky old bastard. So there.

One way you can improve it is by correcting the spelling of posterity, the emboldened prosperity in your example.

Memphis Trace

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I'm probably guilty of such accusations.
My first personal yardstick is if I start skimming, you've lost me--regardless of how hard you worked at crafting. My second yardstick is if I sense the act of crafting trumping the actual content, you've also lost me. Ive read impossibly long passages that have kept me riveted, so it's not a case of my being dismissive of a technique.

Be cranky all you like, I respect (and resemble) that. But methinks on this issue one doth protest too much.

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Memphis Trace

Yeah, that's what the editor highlighted.  A sarcastic remark like that really helps the topic move forward.

9 (edited by ray ashton 2019-11-25 18:16:16)

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Actually, let me correct my previous post. The piece was posted here, and I received 3 reviews, all of them complaining about the length of the sentence, none of them about that error.

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ray ashton wrote:

Actually, let me correct my previous post. The piece was posted here, and I received 3 reviews, all of them complaining about the length of the sentence, none of them about that error.

That sounds about right lol...

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ray ashton wrote:

Actually, let me correct my previous post. The piece was posted here, and I received 3 reviews, all of them complaining about the length of the sentence, none of them about that error.

There you go. I saved you from embarrassing yourself out there in the big world.

Memphis Trace

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Best rule of thumb I've ever heard:
"If you don't like what a reviewer says about your writing, it's your obligation and privilege to ignore it and move on."
Luke Peters

Take care. Vern

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Hey, Ray. You're too effing sensitive, my friend. People (myself included) often use the term RUN-ON SENTENCE ignorantly and arbitrarily and that's just the way it is anymore. For what it's worth, I also enjoy wordsmithing long-ass sentences. I like reading them, too (when they're well executed and coherent, that is) and your example sentence (for the most part, anyway) is exemplary. Perhaps it's an acquired taste, though. I can still remember reading a novel called Billy Bathgate back in the day and being thunderstruck by the lack of punctuation. I simply wasn't used to that style of prose at the time. And yet there was indubitably something indelible about that goddamned book. Seeing as I can totally recall the experience of reading it some twenty-five years on already.

Anyhoo and I dunno; you did say you're mostly in it for the money, so...

In this re-mixed age of Twitter and Tik-Tok of ours; mixing the short and sweet with a just a little pinch of the long and savory is probably the bee's knees bouillabaisse we're all going for. Would you not agree?

Cheers

John

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John Hamler wrote:

you did say you're mostly in it for the money, so...

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I could go on and on about run-on sentences, Runaround Sue, Blade Runner, running to feel God's pleasure, running for office, running noses, and runways, but I won't.

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Temple Wang wrote:
John Hamler wrote:

you did say you're mostly in it for the money, so...

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Demon horses. Cool.