Re: The Sorcerer's Progress
Go read The Child and the Beast. Read Dragons and Lurymants.
Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi → The Sorcerer's Progress
Go read The Child and the Beast. Read Dragons and Lurymants.
He likes killing off characters. That way, they don't complicate his plot. Truth.
You say this as if there's another way of getting around difficult characters ..... (edit) even if they are loyal and trustworthy and on a wonderful quest
Lurymants prefer large, tough things. An old bull might make a good meal, with something left over. What is this with you wanting to leave a trail of dead characters wherever my protagonists go? That's what the bad guys are supposed to do!
Oh, and Jessica Fletcher.
I don't really kill off characters per se. I just cull the herd.
In Rocket Baby, I'm heading into Chapter 17 with only 7 named characters surviving / standing. That's so hot. (It's also a record low for me - though I had to cheat by not naming the dean and the chancellor).
If you kill your male MC half way through in a romance novel ... not so much. I'd say dissappointment is more like it.
Too many personalities makes for a complicated plot. I imagine that K is the type of person who only cooks dishes with three or more ingredients for simplicity (water is an ingredient, btw.)
(Kiss)
Too many personalities makes for a complicated plot. I imagine that K is the type of person who only cooks dishes with three or more ingredients for simplicity (water is an ingredient, btw.)
(Kiss)
And he'll still be a better cook than me, I'm sad to admit.
They grow there and pop up from the ground whenever the plot calls.
janet reid wrote:If you kill your male MC half way through in a romance novel ... not so much. I'd say dissappointment is more like it.
Pfft... the male MC is easily replaced... there's a boy under pretty much every rock and shrub
Wilbur Smith has the same attitude. I haven't read Wilbur Smith since I've read fucking 800 pages all the way to the last page of the last book of his that I've read. True, the book was like 3 inches thick and then he killed the female MC - she jumps into a disused mine shaft for the stupidest reason you can think of in this world - she saw her boyfriend (boyfriend!!!!!!!!!!!!!) dance (dance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) with an ex. Depending on what you pull out from under that rock for Catherine, it may or may not end well for you K. Just saying.
Nice design, visually and probably electrically, but it should have been driven from a crystal. That would require a chain of dividers, so you'd use power-of-two frequency. If you had 1.048476 MHz, if that were available, you'd need forty transistors and probably 200 resistors in a divider chain made of flip-flops (bistable multivibrators).
No, you keep what you have now. There's no point in tracking those high frequencies. The eye can't follow them.
Continuing reply to CJ Driftwood:
Sorry: Microsoft misbehavior (made worse by the folks who designed the web page programming model).
Disjunctive thoughts: Yes, Merran has a lot on her mind. I don't want to back too far away, but I'll see what I can do here.
Oh, muddy brilliance/pellucid clarity. The first implies that things are discernable but muddied; the second implies that scene fragments are utterly clear, but the fragments are arranged chaotically.
Buzzing/inside. Well, no, they could be going in and out to clean up, or looking in like Melayne while gossiping.
She remembers the broken crock lid because it marks the start of the incident, and it's where she triaged. I'll think it over.
She was pleasant to all, friendly with none.>> What do you mean by this. I like the turn of word. But are you saying she has no close friends, just acquantences? And is this just since the baby?
Exactly. Hmm, make it a little more definite.
"Is it true--if I may ask--is it true that you saved Eowne's life when her son was born, but let--but you lost her husband?"> this seems very important. I got the feeling from the previous chapters that Barris has some power and the fact Shogran nabbed him also points things in that direction.
There's nothing special about Barris, though Shogran has ideas for changing that. Eowne is a spoke in the wheel that has been set turning. We'll get more of the story a bit later, at least as it involves Merran and her family.
Again, thanks.
A note to C. J. Driftwood on muddy brilliance and pellucid confusion: this infamous 'illusion' combines high-frequency information from one image with low-frequency information from another--local and global detail.
New Jersey,
I have a bit of time to review. Anything that you want me to look at?
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Erevain is taking more time than it should, in part because I've had other things, welcome and un-, dumped on my plate. Pick up anything you care to, though Erevain's chapters are changing. Did I mention that a pinched nerve nearly shut my left leg down six weeks ago? Six days of methylprednisone, ten of a mid-grade NSAID, generous use of heat to keep the top ends of my glutes from making more trouble, and now the need to get the last of the strength back and wean myself from the cane, a slower project than I would like.
Sometimes hitting random strangers with the cane helps in recovery. It doesn't help the nerve, but it makes the patient feel so much better :-)
And I left the durn thing somewhere, probably in a shopping cart, as the snowfall began, and I had to stop at CVS to buy another. I had that cane in my cart for five years as a spare for my mother, and the new one reminds me of how poor I am at holding onto things.
Nailing it to your forehead helps, at least in my experience.
Not enough room for all the stuff I have to put there ...
njc - here is my complete review, the @#$%& site cuts my regular reviews left, right and center for some unknown reason *grunts*
Hey njc
I (think I) have sorted out most of my beginners problems to start looking for new eyes again. And I guess you’ve been on my reading list long enough too. And if it all goes according to plan, I’ll also be able to understand what you guys are talking about in your thread! (a pretty high hope, but a girl can dream!)
It’s only suggestions/comments/thoughts, but I hope one or two will help.
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Kirsey seemed [unaware](barely aware) of it all.
* it feels as if there’s a disconnect between the preceding detailed description like Kirsey holding the bag and him being completely unawareHis gait became lively and quirky; his eyes [ became] active and watchful, his face intense and alert.
* not sure about the proper punctuation, but the ; could probably be a , and still be ok (I usually get slaughtered for run-on sentences and the likes, but I think it’s a writing style and I don’t mind it)I like how you’ve contrasted disinterest/placidness with his sudden change to excitement/interest. Makes one go – why? And that’s a good thing.
Kirsey joined the mass of students treading its front stairways. He passed their throngs at the money-changing windows which, he swore, multiplied each time he came.
* I’m still outside when you started talking about money-changing windows which I assume are inside – maybe consider having Kirsey (and the reader) go through a door or something first (I’d like to know what the door looks like too – Kirsey is now noticing things, so I think I should too)Kirsey requested a withdrawal [in](of) gold[,] in mixed denominations.
(?) <---- this means I’m not sure sure, but at least it would avoid the repeat of “in”What neither the teller nor anyone else there could see was that Kirsey was watching the spells at work.
* I’ve missed something really important here – what spells? Kirsey’s accounts being visible on the glass? Or that he could be identified so easily?I did however pick up that Kirsey, Minor Major, non-resident is a sorcerer without being spoon fed.
In those days, Masters lived apart from students, and their *staffs*--the Minors--lived between.
* staffs or staff – there is a difference to me, I think of staffs as sorcerer sticks, and staff with people working for you (technically, staffs can be the multiple of staff where it’s meant to be people working for you, but I don’t think it’s used much these days in that context and staff is used for single and plural – and hence my trip)A few older Masters, *Kirsey's* among them, had met the changes with their privilege of adding their own places to the Academy.
* this tripped me (not hard to do BTW!) – I had to reread to be sure that you meant Kirsey’s Master and not Kirsey even though the sentence is technically 100% correct – consider: A few older Masters, including Kirsey’s, had met …(“)He'll want to see you, even if you have to wait for him."
Sedlane brought the tea. He would have poured it but Threckesrom took the honor to himself. He poured Kirsey's without difficulty but his hand shook as he poured Sedlane's, and he needed both hands to pour his own.
* this is a lot of pouring – maybe see if you can’t mix it up a bit?
* good writing, you’ve told me something important here about Threckesrom[After](While) they drank, Threckesrom said(,) "Master Nivras's heir is Master Bonthriss. He does not view us kindly."
* after/while – unless it was done on purpose to let the reader know these guys are really comfortable around each other as it would be a pretty long silence until they have finished drinking their tea (which would be awkward/uncomfortable for others!)
* or consider – After they took a sip (or some such to indicate they’re not finished with their tea yet)
* given that Threckesrom adjusts his cup and saucer just now, I’d say they’re not done yetThe residence was built around a small courtyard, with the library on the far side. Kirsey expected to find the books far in (the) back, *in places he'd never seen.*
* this implies Kirsey has been to the library before and since Threckesrom has built the new residence – just checking that’s what you intended here"Taking your last breaths as a free man?" said [Threkesrom](Threckesrom).
"No," said Threckesrom. "But it will seem like it, and it will change you."
"It will change me even if I never come back."
* good writing – tells me something without giving anything awaygeneral comment – lots of Kirsey said and Threckesrom said – either see if you can do away with “he said she said” by making it obvious who is talking (maybe even have Sedlane not be there if it will still work - seems it would now that I've read to the end) or by having them do something action of some kind to identify who is speaking?
* this is where the he said-she said got obvious (before it wasn’t too obvious):
Kirsey said "We should have done this between a fancy dinner and the dessert."
"I don't think I could stay up that long," said Threckesrom. "And Sedlane would see to it I ate only what was good for me, and not much of that."
He sent Sedlane from the room with an apology then said, with some effort, "Have you have ever heard of the Masters Regent?"
"If I have," said Kirsey "should I admit it?"only problem is, now that I’ve noticed it, it will be more obvious even though it isn’t or shouldn’t be an issue …
general comment – Kirsey is after some books, and he got them, but you gave me no indication as to what the books are about – I don’t need much, but I do need something even if I could reach an entirely wrong conclusion what Kirsey is about or will do with the books – give me something, otherwise I feel cheated, and I think you’d rather go with me thinking I know what’s going to happen, but not knowing for sure than me feeling cheated out of information?
* same with what Kirsey has to do for ThreckesroomOverall easy to read/understand and I’ll read on. Because I want to know what Kirsey is going to do with those books and what’s going to happen when Threckesroom dies!
Hope this helps!
Cheers Janet R
And let me know if there is another chapter I can look at! Thanks!
njc - here is my complete review, the @#$%& site cuts my regular reviews left, right and center for some unknown reason *grunts*
Hey njc
I (think I) have sorted out most of my beginners problems to start looking for new eyes again. And I guess you’ve been on my reading list long enough too. And if it all goes according to plan, I’ll also be able to understand what you guys are talking about in your thread! (a pretty high hope, but a girl can dream!)
It’s only suggestions/comments/thoughts, but I hope one or two will help.
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Kirsey seemed [unaware](barely aware) of it all.
* it feels as if there’s a disconnect between the preceding detailed description like Kirsey holding the bag and him being completely unaware
As I wrote before, the affect of the other oldsters is part of the situation here.
His gait became lively and quirky; his eyes [ became] active and watchful, his face intense and alert.
* not sure about the proper punctuation, but the ; could probably be a , and still be ok (I usually get slaughtered for run-on sentences and the likes, but I think it’s a writing style and I don’t mind it)
Actually, I'd prefer to make them both semicolons. Yes, that means two fragments, but I prefer to think of them as sentences with elisions.
I like how you’ve contrasted disinterest/placidness with his sudden change to excitement/interest. Makes one go – why? And that’s a good thing.
Kirsey joined the mass of students treading its front stairways. He passed their throngs at the money-changing windows which, he swore, multiplied each time he came.
* I’m still outside when you started talking about money-changing windows which I assume are inside – maybe consider having Kirsey (and the reader) go through a door or something first (I’d like to know what the door looks like too – Kirsey is now noticing things, so I think I should too)
Fair point. I can make the motion a little more explicit.
Kirsey requested a withdrawal [in](of) gold[,] in mixed denominations.
(?) <---- this means I’m not sure sure, but at least it would avoid the repeat of “in”
Following Strunk and White, I have thrown off my phobia of repeated words. For so minor a preposition as 'in' it hardly seems worth having it in the first place.
What neither the teller nor anyone else there could see was that Kirsey was watching the spells at work.
* I’ve missed something really important here – what spells? Kirsey’s accounts being visible on the glass? Or that he could be identified so easily?
All of it. How was he recognized? (He's bound to the Academy by spells, as you see later.) How did the gold simply appear in front of him? We haven't seen that happen before--except, in a way, we have. But I don't expect the reader to catch it. So it's exceptional sorcery for the present.
I did however pick up that Kirsey, Minor Major, non-resident is a sorcerer without being spoon fed.
In those days, Masters lived apart from students, and their *staffs*--the Minors--lived between.
* staffs or staff – there is a difference to me, I think of staffs as sorcerer sticks, and staff with people working for you (technically, staffs can be the multiple of staff where it’s meant to be people working for you, but I don’t think it’s used much these days in that context and staff is used for single and plural – and hence my trip)
If I say "Make sure the Masters have their desserts," it seems clear that there is one dessert per Master. If I say "Make sure the Masters have their dessert," they may be sharing one big bowl of raspberry compote.
Each Master has his (or her) own staff of Minors and Leasts. Nobody has to share, which is good because it's hard to have two bosses sharing you, especially when each makes his own house rules.
A few older Masters, *Kirsey's* among them, had met the changes with their privilege of adding their own places to the Academy.
* this tripped me (not hard to do BTW!) – I had to reread to be sure that you meant Kirsey’s Master and not Kirsey even though the sentence is technically 100% correct – consider: A few older Masters, including Kirsey’s, had met …
The change just doesn't seem to scan as well. The accents do not fall so felicitously.
(“)He'll want to see you, even if you have to wait for him."
Yeah, gotta fix that.
Sedlane brought the tea. He would have poured it but Threckesrom took the honor to himself. He poured Kirsey's without difficulty but his hand shook as he poured Sedlane's, and he needed both hands to pour his own.
* this is a lot of pouring – maybe see if you can’t mix it up a bit?
As before, I do not fear repeats. Repeats, I fear them not.
* good writing, you’ve told me something important here about Threckesrom
Interesting. I think a couple of reviewers missed that.
[After](While) they drank, Threckesrom said(,) "Master Nivras's heir is Master Bonthriss. He does not view us kindly."
* after/while – unless it was done on purpose to let the reader know these guys are really comfortable around each other as it would be a pretty long silence until they have finished drinking their tea (which would be awkward/uncomfortable for others!)
Yes, they are really comfortable around each other, and Kirsey is deferring to his old Master.
* or consider – After they took a sip (or some such to indicate they’re not finished with their tea yet)
* given that Threckesrom adjusts his cup and saucer just now, I’d say they’re not done yet
Or he's nervous about something. Okay, maybe too subtle.
The residence was built around a small courtyard, with the library on the far side. Kirsey expected to find the books far in (the) back, *in places he'd never seen.*
* this implies Kirsey has been to the library before and since Threckesrom has built the new residence – just checking that’s what you intended here
Yes, it's what I intended. After trying to argue for 'back', I think you might be right about adding the article.
"Taking your last breaths as a free man?" said [Threkesrom](Threckesrom).
Eh? Did I misspell something?
"No," said Threckesrom. "But it will seem like it, and it will change you."
"It will change me even if I never come back."
* good writing – tells me something without giving anything awaygeneral comment – lots of Kirsey said and Threckesrom said – either see if you can do away with “he said she said” by making it obvious who is talking (maybe even have Sedlane not be there if it will still work - seems it would now that I've read to the end) or by having them do something action of some kind to identify who is speaking?
* this is where the he said-she said got obvious (before it wasn’t too obvious):
Kirsey said "We should have done this between a fancy dinner and the dessert."
"I don't think I could stay up that long," said Threckesrom. "And Sedlane would see to it I ate only what was good for me, and not much of that."
I try to cover that by using mid-quotation tags. I'll give this another look, but I expect to keep most if not all of the tags.
He sent Sedlane from the room with an apology then said, with some effort, "Have you have ever heard of the Masters Regent?"
"If I have," said Kirsey "should I admit it?"only problem is, now that I’ve noticed it, it will be more obvious even though it isn’t or shouldn’t be an issue …
general comment – Kirsey is after some books, and he got them, but you gave me no indication as to what the books are about – I don’t need much, but I do need something even if I could reach an entirely wrong conclusion what Kirsey is about or will do with the books – give me something, otherwise I feel cheated, and I think you’d rather go with me thinking I know what’s going to happen, but not knowing for sure than me feeling cheated out of information?
* same with what Kirsey has to do for Threckesroom
By this time, we have some idea of the problems that Kirsey needs to solve, though maybe not all of them.
As to what Kirsey is agreeing to do, it ought to be obvious, if you think about it. The remark about dinner and dessert is a giveaway. But if not, that's okay.
Overall easy to read/understand and I’ll read on. Because I want to know what Kirsey is going to do with those books and what’s going to happen when Threckesroom dies!
I have a lot to write to get us to that point.
All good, thanks for the reply! Please let me know when you've done some writing! JR
The remark about dinner and a dessert is a giveaway? Are they cookbooks?
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