Topic: In-line vs Regular Review

Refresh our memory--
Does an in-line review award the reviewer more points than a regular review?
Generally, do writers prefer to receive an in-line or regular review?
What's the protocol for responding to in-line remarks?
What's the benefit of the x-line review?

Any other questions?
Feedback?

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They both receive the same amount of points. Can't speak for everyone, but I like to receive in-line reviews. It helps me with the technicalities. There are no protocols for responding to in-line remarks.  I do, in order to be polite.  If the person took the time to write them, it's the least I can do to answer them, if only with a one-word response.  If x-line refers to regular review, the benefits are only there if the person is talking about the big issues you're copy has raised--theme, characterization, setting, etc.

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No difference in the points awarded, JP. I generally use an in-line review if I spot at least three or four things I want to comment on as I read the post. If I don't find them, I revert to a regular review.

My own preferences are evenly divided between the two types of reviews. If someone has a point to make, or want to add a comment on what I've posted in-line, then I say go right ahead. A regular review will tell me right away if the person has read the post if it refers to things in the post. If it is filled with "filler words" simply to get to the required 50 words, then that's a different kettle of fish.

I generally don't invoke the X-Line review unless I'm reading an in-line review of my own works. Then, you are able to view every comment without having to click the blue highlights.

Bill

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What I like best are responses to my in-line comments in addition to a closing response. Only a few authors do that, and unless they specifically respond to my in-line comments in their closing response, I have no idea if my comments were worthwhile. A "Thanks for the review, I appreciate your comments" is pretty worthless to me as a reviewer. Accordingly, I try to respond to in-line comments of my own work when appropriate.

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jack the knife wrote:

What I like best are responses to my in-line comments in addition to a closing response. Only a few authors do that, and unless they specifically respond to my in-line comments in their closing response, I have no idea if my comments were worthwhile. A "Thanks for the review, I appreciate your comments" is pretty worthless to me as a reviewer. Accordingly, I try to respond to in-line comments of my own work when appropriate.

I try to respond to in-line reviews to let people know that their comments are worthwhile.  Sometimes, because I disagree, especially on the technical issues.

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Rachel Parsons wrote:
jack the knife wrote:

What I like best are responses to my in-line comments in addition to a closing response. Only a few authors do that, and unless they specifically respond to my in-line comments in their closing response, I have no idea if my comments were worthwhile. A "Thanks for the review, I appreciate your comments" is pretty worthless to me as a reviewer. Accordingly, I try to respond to in-line comments of my own work when appropriate.

I try to respond to in-line reviews to let people know that their comments are worthwhile.  Sometimes, because I disagree, especially on the technical issues.

Yes, when I disagree (not just with a wording alternative suggestion), I will often express that. Likewise, if the author disagrees with my comment, I'll DM him/her if it's an important issue. That's the only way to extend the dialogue process, and it's a limitation of the system. At times I've had to establish a "connection" with the author (the only way you can send them a DM) just to do that.

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jack the knife wrote:

... At times I've had to establish a "connection" with the author (the only way you can send them a DM) just to do that.

I feel exactly the same way. We should be allowed to send a PM to anyone on the site regardless of their status with us. If it turns out it wasn't a good thing, one can always block the user.

BIll

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B Douglas Slack wrote:
jack the knife wrote:

... At times I've had to establish a "connection" with the author (the only way you can send them a DM) just to do that.

I feel exactly the same way. We should be allowed to send a PM to anyone on the site regardless of their status with us. If it turns out it wasn't a good thing, one can always block the user.

BIll

A inline reply to an inline comment is ostensibly a private message.  Who (in their right mind) bothers reading the individual comments (much less the replies) on someone else’s work?  That’d be pretty pathetic.  And while I’m at it—if you are going to the pedantic effort of making inline replies to inline comments, why would you care if someone else reads them?  What are you ashamed of?  I suggest taking that time and applying it to writing or reading—the return is far better than that wasted on being defensive and pedantic.

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I agree with Bill. It would also make it possible to get rid of quickees. No need for two types of messaging. It would simplify things for new users.

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j p lundstrom wrote:

Refresh our memory--
Does an in-line review award the reviewer more points than a regular review?
Generally, do writers prefer to receive an in-line or regular review?
What's the protocol for responding to in-line remarks?
What's the benefit of the x-line review?

Any other questions?
Feedback?

The points are same-o, same-o, despite the much more in depth (at least most of time) analysis which correspondingly requires much more time (again at least most of time) with the in-line.

Unless it is a very short piece, I'm not sure why anyone would "prefer" the regular review over the in-line. That is not to say that the regular is not valid and useful, just that you can put/receive much more with the in-line. And you could put everything you might say in a regular review in the final comment box for the in-line.

It is common courtesy to respond to at least some of the in text remarks within an in-line review, especially when beginning a relationship with the reviewer. It lets them know that you have indeed read their remarks and gives you the opportunity to fine tune the type response you are looking for as well as explain any misconceptions which the reviewer may have gotten from your work as written. Sometimes "mistakes" or differences of opinion are on purpose. The in-line remarks provides a great opportunity to expand the discussion.

The x-line gives you the ability to see all the comments at once and respond to them accordingly. You can scan through the remarks before making your reply to see if the same things show up more than once so you don't necessarily have to respond to each individually. The x-line also makes it easy to copy all the reviewer's comments to transfer them to Word or wherever you wish to make all the needed revisions to your master draft. A feature which is seldom used is that other people can enter the x-line and make comments regarding what the reviewer has written to allow a feedback loop between many different people. This is a great way to get various opinions on the same aspect of the story and allow the author to pick and choose from the menu so to speak. In short, the x-line gives you more bang for your buck.

A good three cents worth regular or in-line. Take care. Vern

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I prefer the in-line reviews over the regular ones. Much more, and deeper, suggestions can be shared through the in-line reviews.

I don’t reply to every comment (some point at typos, no need to reply to them). However, I do reply to most of them because I want the reviewer to realise I did pay attention to what he/she pointed at. I want the reviewer to keep reviewing my work, so I want them to feel their comments were appreciated.

Sometimes, I answer with an argument against a comment not because I think it’s crap but because I feel what I tried to convey was not understood and needs to be further explained. Most of the time, the reviewer’s answer to such arguments allows me either to realise I need to do some rewriting, or to confirm me the reviewer double checked and grasped the message he/she had failed to at first glance, in which case no rewriting is needed.
I also like when I write an in-line review and the writer answers some/most of my in-line observations. It opens a communication mean between the two of us and helps me to keep on reviewing their work.

Kiss,
Gacela

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Mariana Reuter wrote:

I prefer the in-line reviews over the regular ones. Much more, and deeper, suggestions can be shared through the in-line reviews.

I don’t reply to every comment (some point at typos, no need to reply to them). However, I do reply to most of them because I want the reviewer to realise I did pay attention to what he/she pointed at. I want the reviewer to keep reviewing my work, so I want them to feel their comments were appreciated.

Sometimes, I answer with an argument against a comment not because I think it’s crap but because I feel what I tried to convey was not understood and needs to be further explained. Most of the time, the reviewer’s answer to such arguments allows me either to realise I need to do some rewriting, or to confirm me the reviewer double checked and grasped the message he/she had failed to at first glance, in which case no rewriting is needed.
I also like when I write an in-line review and the writer answers some/most of my in-line observations. It opens a communication mean between the two of us and helps me to keep on reviewing their work.

Kiss,
Gacela

Exactly.

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j p lundstrom wrote:

Refresh our memory--
Generally, do writers prefer to receive an in-line or regular review?
Feedback?

I think it depends on the reviewer. Some are great at inlines and can leave dozens of comments about commas and word choices, while regular reviews can be very powerful for big-picture feedback.

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In-lines over Regular in almost every case. The one exception to this is whenever I review poetry—which I do rarely.

I much prefer an in-line because it will often target grammatical errors or plot errors. Comments can be added at the end to cover the section as a whole if needed.

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Suin wrote:
j p lundstrom wrote:

Refresh our memory--
Generally, do writers prefer to receive an in-line or regular review?
Feedback?

I think it depends on the reviewer. Some are great at inlines and can leave dozens of comments about commas and word choices, while regular reviews can be very powerful for big-picture feedback.

Yes, you can give/receive powerful big-picture regular reviews, but there is nothing to prevent that same powerful big picture review and more with an in-line review. IMO, the only reason to choose a regular review would be that at least five things to improve can't be found as ostensibly could be the case in a very short piece whether poem, essay, very short story, etc. Still, the reviewer has the option to choose the one they are most comfortable with. Take care. Vern

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vern wrote:
Suin wrote:
j p lundstrom wrote:

Refresh our memory--
Generally, do writers prefer to receive an in-line or regular review?
Feedback?

I think it depends on the reviewer. Some are great at inlines and can leave dozens of comments about commas and word choices, while regular reviews can be very powerful for big-picture feedback.

Yes, you can give/receive powerful big-picture regular reviews, but there is nothing to prevent that same powerful big picture review and more with an in-line review. IMO, the only reason to choose a regular review would be that at least five things to improve can't be found as ostensibly could be the case in a very short piece whether poem, essay, very short story, etc. Still, the reviewer has the option to choose the one they are most comfortable with. Take care. Vern

Aptly said, Vern.

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Or, it has been my case, when after a first in-line review, you want to add more coments to that specific chapter. The regular review is a good way to do so.

There are many reason why you may not have provided those extra comments upfront, including, but not limited to: you exchanged ideas with the writer--or somebody else--through other means (messaging, forum posts, etc.) that rang extra bells in your brain about that chapter, you read that chapter again and decided you didn't stress a particular issue enough, the writer made changes to the chapter (without re-publishing it) and you want to comment on the changes, etc.

In such cases, the regular review provides a clean sheet where you can extend yourself at leisure. Of course, it means you're interested in the author, in the story, and you want to go beyond the mechanical act of giving some comments, collecting the points, and move on.

Kiss,

Gacela

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Mariana Reuter wrote:

Or, it has been my case, when after a first in-line review, you want to add more coments to that specific chapter. The regular review is a good way to do so.

There are many reason why you may not have provided those extra comments upfront, including, but not limited to: you exchanged ideas with the writer--or somebody else--through other means (messaging, forum posts, etc.) that rang extra bells in your brain about that chapter, you read that chapter again and decided you didn't stress a particular issue enough, the writer made changes to the chapter (without re-publishing it) and you want to comment on the changes, etc.

In such cases, the regular review provides a clean sheet where you can extend yourself at leisure. Of course, it means you're interested in the author, in the story, and you want to go beyond the mechanical act of giving some comments, collecting the points, and move on.

Kiss,

Gacela

Again, you can go back into the same in-line review and add to any comment or make new ones. You don't have to start over with a regular review and doing so within the same in-line keeps everything together which should be more convenient for the author to keep track of. There is nothing you can do in a regular review which can't be done with an in-line, but there is a tremendous amount you can do with an in-line that you can't do with a regular review. Still, everyone has the option to choose. Take care. Vern

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Thank you, Temple. :-)

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Temple Wang wrote:

http://www.boomerbrief.com/assets_c/2012/07/Stick%20a%20fork%20in%20it%20-%20600-thumb-600x514-5170.jpg

Good pic, LOL. However as the saying goes, you put a fork in it when it's done. That still seems a bit rare, but folks have different cooking preferences. We'll see if the diner wants more heat. Their choice. Take care. Vern