Re: Lupus's blue eyes burned with exasperation

Hi everyone. I'm in dire need of help with my novella, The Ancients. I'm going to be posting another chapter or two soon. I'd be willing to swap read-reviews. I'm hoping to at least try getting my book published. Operative word try. I'd be very grateful for those willing to give me various viewpoints. I might not agree with some, but certainly I won't be cantankerous, stubborn.

Thanks,

Mike

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Hi, Mike--
I'll be glad to take a look.  JP

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Lynne Clark wrote:

okay, so how would everyone express the burn of exasperation, if not through the eyes?

Just do it--however it feels right. I just finished reading a book in which the MC's eyes danced. If we were to take that literally, we might assume her eyeballs had parted company with her head. But we don't--we suspend our critical thinking and buy into it, if the writer has done his/ her job.

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njc wrote:

Probably not.  But dictionaries don't explain the difference between real and reactive power.  They're not about fine, deep distinctions.
Are you writing for the dictionary or the reader?

I write for the reader.  I use the dictionary to understand the meaning, etymology, and usage of words. That’s kind of its thing.  Less likely to be biased by fake news and opinions. (Like getting your news from Fox & Friends) 

Give the dictionary a try.  (Good ones have examples and everything!)  You might be enlightened.  Or, then again, maybe it’ll just stymie your efforts and you’ll have to *sigh* with exasperation.  Or maybe you’ll be incensed and your eyes will *burn with exasperation* from being thwarted in your effort.  LOL

PS.  In addition to my dictionaries, I also have several thesauruses and many fine books on grammar and punctuation.  Tools of the trade, you know.

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I too have thesauruses.  As to where I get my news ... It's not talk shows, whether F&F or The View.  Funny you should feel the need to drag politics into a discussion about the meaning of a word.

Does politics define everything about a person?  Is your worst slur "He's one of THEM?"  What would that say about you?

Exasperation is a reaction to people.  It differs from frustration in that the source of the difficulty is a person (or person substitute, like a dog whose personality you know).  The respect for that other person may lead to blame, but the inherent frustration is presumably blunted by respect for the other's personhood.

If you disagree, tell me where and how.  We can discuss the matter, or we may end up accepting our disagreement.  Anything else makes as much sense as judging the other person by the color(s) of his avatar.

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njc wrote:

I too have thesauruses.  As to where I get my news ... It's not talk shows, whether F&F or The View.  Funny you should feel the need to drag politics into a discussion about the meaning of a word.

Does politics define everything about a person?  Is your worst slur "He's one of THEM?"  What would that say about you?

Apologies. I know nothing about you.  I wasn’t inferring anything political.  I was merely using a pop culture simile in the discussion of a writing topic. 

Simile: a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid (e.g., as brave as a lion, crazy like a fox).

Chip on shoulder:  To have a chip on one's shoulder refers to the act of holding a grievance that readily provokes disputation.

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Bevin Wallace wrote:
j p lundstrom wrote:
Norm d'Plume wrote:

Can you tell from just a sigh that someone is exasperated?

Can't be done.

Come on...  Sure it can.

I think that you need the sigh to accompany the moustache losing its lustre and drooping whilst the last vestige of the glimmer of hope dies in his eyes and he bursts the treasured balloon he is holding by inadvertently over-squeezing it and have him sob through quivering lips as he stares through his tears at the bits of broken balloon in his trembling hands whilst the stem of the tall daisy-like flower that protrudes from the top of his bowler hat simultaneously wilts and then sheds its petals. One by one. 

Then... and only then, will the reader understand the degree of exasperation the Benji is suffering.

You could reinforce this with having all four wheels on his car collapse and his doors fall off in time with a loud backfire and loads of smoke. Just to be safe.

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kraptonite, I don't think you should use such short sentences...

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Lynne Clark wrote:

kraptonite, I don't think you should use such short sentences...

Surely they are a sentence, not sentences? Given a sentence is singular container for words, the plural instance does not apply?

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Sorry, my mistake.

Surely they is a sentence?

Re: Lupus's blue eyes burned with exasperation

kraptonite wrote:
Bevin Wallace wrote:
j p lundstrom wrote:

Can't be done.

Come on...  Sure it can.

I think that you need the sigh to accompany the moustache losing its lustre and drooping whilst the last vestige of the glimmer of hope dies in his eyes and he bursts the treasured balloon he is holding by inadvertently over-squeezing it and have him sob through quivering lips as he stares through his tears at the bits of broken balloon in his trembling hands whilst the stem of the tall daisy-like flower that protrudes from the top of his bowler hat simultaneously wilts and then sheds its petals. One by one. 

Then... and only then, will the reader understand the degree of exasperation the Benji is suffering.

You could reinforce this with having all four wheels on his car collapse and his doors fall off in time with a loud backfire and loads of smoke. Just to be safe.

RFLMA.  Thank you. This was great.  You may want to submit for the Bulwer-Lytton!

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Hmm.  Isn't long, loud, drawn-out sigh usually the first expression of exasperation?

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njc wrote:

Hmm.  Isn't long, loud, drawn-out sigh usually the first expression of exasperation?

or orgasm, or admiration/approbation, or disappointment/displeasure or disenchantment/disillusionment or envy/desire...  in my case the long, loud, drawn-out sigh usually means I've opened and read my Mastercard bill. Buyer's remorse.

The first expression of exasperation is when you hold your hands out palms up, roll your eyes upwards towards an imaginary heaven and mutter, "For fucks sake!' quietly to yourself whilst slowly shaking your head. Then comes the sigh. After the gurning and cussing.

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Hmm.  In the presence of the offender, I prefer to suppress the eye roll and the gutter vocalization, hanging my head instead.  But (pardon the spelling) chacon a son gout!

I usually wince over my VISA bill.

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njc wrote:

Hmm.  In the presence of the offender, I prefer to suppress the eye roll and the gutter vocalization, hanging my head instead.  But (pardon the spelling) chacon a son gout!

I usually wince over my VISA bill.

The old hung head. True, hanging one's head in shame can be exasperating. If you are going to roll your eyes at an offender, you'd best hope their offence is not thievery, lest they decline to roll them back, which may induce a jaw drop.

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kraptonite wrote:
Lynne Clark wrote:

kraptonite, I don't think you should use such short sentences...

Surely they are a sentence, not sentences? Given a sentence is singular container for words, the plural instance does not apply?

I was being tongue-in-cheeky, of course.

Surely they is a sentence?

They surely is. To is or is not, that are the question.

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Lynne Clark wrote:

I was being tongue-in-cheeky, of course.

Of course; and ditto smile

I can relate to your lack of confidence (in that you feel I may not understand your jollity). It is unfortunate that the new iteration of this site can be so stiff and spikey so as that it makes us feel that we need to explain, 'Pun Intended'. You'd assume a free-thinking community of creative writers would get it? Offence is far too easily taken, and I'm on shaky ground being a non-paying (reader, not writer) member. I'm expecting a Premium Member, "insulted" and offended by my very existence to chase me off the site at any moment.

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sigh. (not burning, just a sigh...) Written humour is tricky, a real-life jest or pun is usually accompanied by winks, smiles, even nudges of the elbow. Emoticons help, but they don't do it all. And do we have an elbow-nudgy emoji? if not, why not?

There are pompous nits in all communities. I prefer to shrug than get offended, but some people today? I don't understand the desire to always be right. It makes no sense to me. But I am old. Maybe it is the arrogance of youth speaking? I don't know.