Topic: The "was" wars and "was" addiction

Can we have a discussion of something actually involving writing?
I see a lot of reviews lately finding fault with overuse of the word "was." Even those who criticize this admit to having the problem themselves.
Hi, I'm John and I'm a "was" aholic.  I'd like to lick this problem.
Why is it a problem? Do people consider the word dull? Is it simply a repetition problem? Why do we sometimes do it for a whole story and not at all in the next one?  Why does it bother some people while others don't notice it?  Is it more noticeable when used with a gerund? ("was" with the -ing form of a verb) which suggests simply using the other verb alone?  Is it more common in certain styles? Memoir? third person? distant past?  Why do we do it even when we try not to? 
Sometimes when we go back and try to fix it, the fix looks like a band-aid on the story.
I was going to refer to some examples but decided that was not a good idea.  Was it?
Any ideas?

2 (edited by vern 2017-12-10 05:06:17)

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I'm probably one of the last one might consult about "grammar" issues, but my observation is that the overuse of "was" presents the story more as "telling" as opposed to "showing" which of course is the cardinal sin of creative writing so to speak. There is nothing wrong with the use of "was" per se and a story without any "was" would probably be rather poorly written from the reader's perspective since most any good narrative section detailing something of a past nature (a large proportion of stories being told) will use "was" to denote the action has already happened.

Fortunately there are also other ways to produce a sentence without always having to resort to "was" to relay the information. I think what trips up or causes "problems" for some reviewers (as well as agents/ editors, etc.) is using "was" to the exclusion of those other methods of saying the same thing, thus making the "was" stand out in the reader's mind through repetition. A good exercise might be to go through your work and look at cases where the sentence could easily be stated differently to eliminate the over reliance upon "was" and make the story a bit more active showing. You could pull some sentences out and post them in this thread to get different ideas of how to rearrange them to that end. That's it in an elongated nutshell from my non-expert perspective. The ultimate decision will still be up to the author. Take care. Vern

Edited to add "elongated" as you might surmise, lol.

3 (edited by Memphis Trace 2017-12-10 07:38:15)

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Sometimes the verb to be is useful; other times it is unnecessary: https://litreactor.com/columns/8-words- … ur-writing
"Is"
Is, am, are, was, or were—whatever form your "is" takes, it's likely useless. When's the last time you and your friends just "was'd" for a while? Have you ever said, "Hey, guys, I can't—I'm busy am-ing"?

The "is" verbs are connecting terms that stand between your readers and the actual description. This is especially true when it comes to the "is" + "ing" verb pair. Any time you use "is," you're telling the reader that the subject is in a state of being. Using an "ing" verb tells the audience the verb is in process. By using "is verbing," you're telling your audience that the subject is in the state of being of being in the process of doing something.

Take this example:

I was sprinting sprinted toward the doorway.

If the description is actually about a state of being—"they are  angry," "are evil," or "are dead"—then is it up. But don't gunk up your verbs with unnecessary is, am, or was-ing.

Other times it is invaluable http://www.metrolyrics.com/what-it-was- … ffith.html :

What it was was Football.

It was back last October, I believe it was.
We was going to hold a tent service off at this college town, and we got there about dinner time on Saturday.
Different ones of us thought that we ought to get us a mouthful to eat before we set up the tent.
So we got off the truck and followed this little bunch of people through this small little bitty patch of woods there, and we came up on a big sign that says, "Get something to Eat Here." I went up and got me two hot dogs and a big orange drink, and before I could take a mouthful of that food, this whole raft of people come up around me and got me to where I couldn't eat nothing, up like, and I dropped my big orange drink.
Well, friends, they commenced to move, and there wasn't so much that I could do but move with them. Well, we commenced to go through all kinds of doors and gates and I don't know what all, and I looked up over one of 'em and it says, "North Gate. "We kept on a-going through there, and pretty soon we come up on a young boy and he says, "Ticket, please. "And I says, "Friend, I don't have a ticket; I don't even know where it is that I'm a-going! "Well, he says, "Come on out as quick as you can. "And I says, "I'll do 'er; I'll turn right around the first chance I get." Well, we kept on a-moving through there, and pretty soon everybody got where it was that they was a-going, because they parted and I could see pretty good.
And what I seen was this whole raft of people a-sittin' on these two banks and a-lookin at one another across this pretty little green cow pasture. Somebody had took and drawed white lines all over it and drove posts in it, and I don't know what all, and I looked down there and I seen five or six convicts a running up and down and a-blowing whistles.
And then I looked down there and I seen these pretty girls wearin' these little bitty short dresses and a-dancing around, and so I thought I'd sit down and see what it was that was a-going to happen. About the time I got set down good I looked down there and I seen thirty or forty men come a-runnin' out of one end of a great big outhouse down there and everybody where I was a-settin' got up and hollered! And I asked this fella that was a sittin' beside of me, "Friend, what is it that they're a-hollerin' for? "Well, he whopped me on the back and he says, "Buddy, have a drink!" I says, "Well, I believe I will have another big orange. "I got it and set back down. When I got there again I seen that the men had got in two little bitty bunches down there real close together, and they voted.
They elected one man apiece, and them two men come out in the middle of that cow pasture and shook hands like they hadn't seen one another in a long time.
Then a convict came over to where they was a-standin', and he took out a quarter and they commenced to odd man right there! After a while I seen what it was they was odd-manning for.
It was that both bunches full of them wanted this funny lookin little pumpkin to play with.
And I know, friends, that they couldn't eat it because they kicked it the whole evenin' and it never busted. Both bunchesful wanted that thing.
One bunch got it and it made the other bunch just as mad as they could be! Friends, I seen that evenin' the awfulest fight that I ever have seen in all my life! They would run at one -another and kick one- another and throw one another down and stomp on one another and grind their feet in one another and I don't know what-all and just as fast as one of 'em would get hurt, they'd take him off and run another one on! Well, they done that as long as I set there, but pretty soon this boy that had said "Ticket, please." He come up to me and said, "Friend, you're gonna have to leave because it is that you don't have a ticket."And I says, "Well, all right." And I got up and left. I don't know friends, to this day, what it was that they was a doin' down there, but I have studied about it.
I think it was that it's some kindly of a contest where they see which bunchful of them men can take that pumpkin and run from one end of that cow pasture to the other without gettin' knocked down or steppin' in somethin'.

Memphis Trace

4 (edited by Marilyn Johnson 2017-12-10 13:40:32)

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"To be" verbs sound weak and wordy.  Example:  The books at the library ARE excellent.  The librarian WAS knowledgeable. The room WAS clean. The card file IS the best I have ever used. (25 words)  ***  Now take away the 'to be' words and replace with something like:  The library boasts of excellent books, a knowledgeable librarian, cleanliness, and the best card file I've ever used. (18 words).

Our friend WAS the driver of the car:  Our friend drove the car. 

Here's another example I found online:  The restaurant’s parking lot IS narrow. THERE ARE not very many parking spaces and those that ARE available
ARE too cramped.  Change to:  The restaurant suffers from a narrow parking lot with only a few cramped spaces.***  The new sentence took away 'to be' verbs in addition to 'there are' which slows down the reading process and makes the writing clunky and wordy.

Was falls into the 'to be' category.  Though grammatically a word, it comes off as weak.  Way too many good, strong verbs available. 

I'm guilty!  I admit it.  I use 'to be' much more than I should.  I'm going through the 12 steps myself.

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First off, let me say this: if there weren't a need for the word, it wouldn't exist. And seeing that it does exist, it's perfectly natural to use any form of the verb be: am, is, are, was, were and any contractions thereof.

I guess the thing that bothers some people is the repeated use of the same verb over and over, when there are other perfectly good words, and often more precise, that a writer could use. In your passage above of 181 words,you used Was-6 times, I’m (a contraction of I am) twice, and Is—8 times for a total of 16. (16/181 = almost 9%)  So, 9% of your writing is the same word.

Think of it: if 9% of your writing were a word like spaghetti, or conundrum, or supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, people would say "Can't this guy think of another word to use?" Readers might not consciously notice the overuse of the forms of be, but after a while they will begin to tire of it. They will see reading your work as a chore, sort of like trying to read a semester's worth of history the night before the final. You tire, start thinking distracting thoughts, and eventually put the book down without having internalized the material. In other words, you get bored.

Do you really want to bore your readers into putting down your hard work without getting anything out of it? And maybe they never come back to read anything else you've written because they remember how tiring your words are.

Or is it worth the time to find some other words to express your thoughts? Maybe not because there's a 'rule' about it, but because you want to write stuff that will interest readers, make them think, and bring them back for more.

Yes, it's natural to use forms of be in writing, but sparingly.

JP

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j p lundstrom wrote:

I guess the thing that bothers some people is the repeated use of the same verb over and over, when there are other perfectly good words, and often more precise, that a writer could use. In your passage above of 181 words,you used Was-6 times, I’m (a contraction of I am) twice, and Is—8 times for a total of 16. (16/181 = almost 9%)  So, 9% of your writing is the same word.

Think of it: if 9% of your writing were a word like spaghetti, or conundrum, or supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, people would say "Can't this guy think of another word to use?"

Color me flabbergasted!  J P, you astound me sometimes!  Love your answer. 

I need to go to my portfolio and start adding up be, am, is, are, was, were, been, being.  And maybe I'll grab all the other no-no words like appear, become, feel, grow, look, seem, remain, smell, sound, stay, taste, turn.  Gotta get myself a percentage! 

You make me laugh, J P!  smile

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To be or not to be: that is the question...
Memphis Trace

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Memphis Trace wrote:

To be or not to be: that is the question...
Memphis Trace

be--2
is--1
3/12= 25%

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Here's the most difficult example of was/were I came across as I wrote my current book. There are a total of six:

Seven year old Apollo Julius Caesar III sat in the game room of the Imperial Palace on Earth with his half-brothers, Caligula, Romulus, and Remus. Caligula was a year older. Romulus and Remus, twins, were a year younger. Although Caligula was the eldest, it was Apollo who was Heir to the Imperium Romanum since he was the only child of the Emperor and Empress. The other children were illegitimate sons of the Emperor.

With the help of njc and Janet Reid, we got it down to three:

Seven-year-old Apollo Julius Caesar III sat in the game room of the Imperial Palace on Earth with his half-brothers. Caligula was a year older, and the twins, Romulus and Remus, a year younger. As the only child of the Emperor and Empress, Apollo was sole Heir to the Imperium Romanum. His brothers were illegitimate sons of the Emperor.

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

Here's the most difficult example of was/were I came across as I wrote my current book. There are a total of six:

Seven year old Apollo Julius Caesar III sat in the game room of the Imperial Palace on Earth with his half-brothers, Caligula, Romulus, and Remus. Caligula was a year older. Romulus and Remus, twins, were a year younger. Although Caligula was the eldest, it was Apollo who was Heir to the Imperium Romanum since he was the only child of the Emperor and Empress. The other children were illegitimate sons of the Emperor.

With the help of njc and Janet Reid, we got it down to three:

Seven-year-old Apollo Julius Caesar III sat in the game room of the Imperial Palace on Earth with his half-brothers. Caligula was a year older, and the twins, Romulus and Remus, a year younger. As the only child of the Emperor and Empress, Apollo was sole Heir to the Imperium Romanum. His brothers were illegitimate sons of the Emperor.

Seven-year-old Apollo Julius Caesar III sat in the game room of the Imperial Palace with his half-brothers, Caligula, eight, and the six-year-old twins, Romulus and Remus.  As the only legitimate seed of the emperor and empress, Apollo remained the sole heir to Imperium Romanum.

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Nice, Temple! Thank you.

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j p lundstrom wrote:
Memphis Trace wrote:

To be or not to be: that is the question...
Memphis Trace

be--2
is--1
3/12= 25%

3/10=30%
William Shakespeare

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Being Dead by Jim Crace
I think therefore I am ~ Descartes
I Am that I Am ~ God
Memphis Trace

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Memphis Trace wrote:

Being Dead by Jim Crace
I think therefore I am ~ Descartes
I Am that I Am ~ God
Memphis Trace

Perhaps we can combine a few quotes:

To be God or not to be God; I think I Am, therefore I AM; what was the question?
Agnosticus English

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Thank you all for the suggestions. You have taught me how to fix a flat. Now I have to figure out how to drive so I don't get a flat in the first place.
Vern's idea that "was" happens when telling instead of showing turned out to be true. I checked my stories. Telling leads to overexplaining, a breeding ground for "was's." Showing invites dialogue, where "was" doesn't seem to occur.
JP, I was waiting for a list of words and their proper usage percentage, like a nutritional RDA, until I realized you were putting me on.  Very sneaky.
Memphis' reference to Robie Blair's column, his Andy Griffith story, and Marilyn's list all suddenly reminded me that there are other words that seem to have started to become a habit. I feel that in order to start to sound better, I just have to try very, very hard  to get them out of my system.
There. That's better.
Anybody else need help with another problem?
John

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I am what I am
and that is all what I am
I am Popeye the Sailor Man.

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Memphis Trace wrote:

I am what I am
and that is all what I am
I am Popeye the Sailor Man.

Add a little music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7mpAVtefdQ

Take care. Vern

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All,

This is an illuminating discussion and it's nice to see one that revolves around writing.

I have spent most of my life teaching and writing non-fiction. It has only been in the last two years that I have ventured into fiction, and I find it a delightful puzzle and much harder that it appears. It seems like there are many rules and just when I adhere to one, I find it doesn't always work. There are exceptions.

I agree that "was" can be misused. Some of you have seen it in my work. Why write - "He was trying" when you can state much clearer "He tried." But someone above made the case that too many "was" is boring for the reader. That's not true. "Was" is an invisible word. Just like "said" is an invisible word. That's why writers are prompted to use "said" as a dialogue tag rather than other tags because the reader doesn't see it.

Vern's argument that using "was" is more telling than showing, is to me, the best reason for trying to avoid it. However, it's not always possible to do so; the over-eradication of "was" can make your story sound stilted and artificial. It's the same as when you go out of your way to find a synonym so you don't repeat a word, and it just doesn't fit. I'm guilty of that as well.

When I read books written by some fairly famous authors, I look to see if they are following the same rules. They aren't. I'm glad to see I am in good company.

Sherry

But

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Sherry V. Ostroff wrote:

All,

...someone above made the case that too many "was" is boring for the reader. That's not true. "Was" is an invisible word. Just like "said" is an invisible word. That's why writers are prompted to use "said" as a dialogue tag rather than other tags because the reader doesn't see it.

But

If said and was were invisible, nobody would care how many of each were inserted into a writer's work. But since there are so many opinions and practices about both of those, we can hardly call either word invisible.

When I said that a reader tires of reading something that is filled with repetition of a word, I also mentioned the words 'not consciously.' It's something the human animal does.

We do a lot of things without being aware that we're doing them. Hold our breath during the national anthem? Eyeball an attractive member of the opposite sex? Read these rants in the forum? Feel compelled to respond? There's no accounting for the things we do.
JP

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j p lundstrom wrote:
Sherry V. Ostroff wrote:

All,

...someone above made the case that too many "was" is boring for the reader. That's not true. "Was" is an invisible word. Just like "said" is an invisible word. That's why writers are prompted to use "said" as a dialogue tag rather than other tags because the reader doesn't see it.

But

If said and was were invisible, nobody would care how many of each were inserted into a writer's work. But since there are so many opinions and practices about both of those, we can hardly call either word invisible.

When I said that a reader tires of reading something that is filled with repetition of a word, I also mentioned the words 'not consciously.' It's something the human animal does.

We do a lot of things without being aware that we're doing them. Hold our breath during the national anthem? Eyeball an attractive member of the opposite sex? Read these rants in the forum? Feel compelled to respond? There's no accounting for the things we do.
JP

'Noticing' and criticizing said and the verb to be as being overused has become a cottage industry among bloggers and writers in workshops. The industry has developed because there are folks out here who believe creativity and artistry can be taught... and learned.

Here https://eachstaraworld.wordpress.com/20 … -bookisms/ is a great example of an aspiring writer who took the time to understand why he had been set upon and rejected by an editor for using too many substitutes for said.

I do think, if one reads the work of writers like Elmore Leonard, who depend so much for their success on their dialogue, said does—for its ubiquity—disappear. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2010/ … or-writers It is sort of like riding down an interstate highway reading the little green mile markers. They soon begin to disappear except for serving to inform the subconscious. It serves also to focus the dear reader's overmind on what is said. If Leonard were to use a dialogue tag other than said, it would shine out like a diamond in a goat's ass.

I think the same goes for the verb to be. When the important information is the simple state of being in the time and space of the story or the writer wants the state of being to be subliminally conveyed, unadorned.

Memphis Trace

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It comes down to "There are no concrete rules" for creative writing other than to use common sense. If something can be shown/explained/etc. without the use of a word which is often repetitious with most writers, then use a little "creativity" to rearrange the sentence into another way of saying the same thing (perhaps better) without making it shout out, "Look at me; I didn't use was here." And the debate goes on.... Good thing IS, we have a new addition to the country. Alabama just voted to rejoin the union. Take care. Vern

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vern wrote:

It comes down to "There are no concrete rules" for creative writing other than to use common sense. If something can be shown/explained/etc. without the use of a word which is often repetitious with most writers, then use a little "creativity" to rearrange the sentence into another way of saying the same thing (perhaps better) without making it shout out, "Look at me; I didn't use was here." And the debate goes on.... Good thing IS, we have a new addition to the country. Alabama just voted to rejoin the union. Take care. Vern

I agree about the concrete rules, and common sense should prevail.  So many better words can take the place of WAS, and I try to mix it up so I don't use 'to be' words frequently.  If my sentence will sound unnatural without one of those buggars, I use it and go on about my business.  Ain't got time for sich nonsense when the creative brain sets out to work.  Write it while the writing's good.

And for the record, nah, let's don't let Alabama back in until after the 2020 election and see if all of them can turn true-blue.

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I never noticed Alabama was missing. JP

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j p lundstrom wrote:

I never noticed Alabama was missing. JP

Thank goodness Alabama noticed it was missing... before they struck out. They hit a home run Tuesday.
Memphis Trace

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"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times."

And the comma joins independent clauses, too!