Topic: Chapter Word Length

I'm just curious to see what other people do.
What is your average word length for your chapters? Do you try to stay within a certain range?

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Before I came to this site, I wrote and posted on Booksie. There, if chapters weren't under 2500 words or so, they just didn't get read or commented upon. Booksie isn't set up to do in-depth reviews either. As a result, my chapters hang in between 1900 to 2500 words.

~Tom

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Since I write without an outline or real plan, I let my chapters find their own end. Some are as short as 1,000 words, some have been 3,000. Let the book write itself and it will tell you.
Mike

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As Mike said, chapter length varies. If you are on the point system, it costs you more to post a longer chapter - thus you must read more to gain those points. But reviewers who are looking for points will be more attracted to higher points. It does take time and effort to do an in-depth review of a longer piece, but if the piece is anything like your Star of Hope, the longer chapter will be read and reviewed happily. I usually steer clear of the longer chapters because I often go into great detail, but I recently flew through 5K without noticing it. The short story was that good. Check out 'To Make The Darkness Flee' by Mike Jackson - it scores 10 on the creepy scale. I loved it and I'm not drawn to that sort of thing! Mike Roberson's 'Hunter' is also great.

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Thanks for the posts.
I've been kind of all over as far as chapter word counts, but I usually stick to about 3,000-4,000 depending on what's happening in the chapter. If there's an "incident" with action the chapter is longer, if its more emotional/informational (I suppose you could say) then its usually shorter.

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Hey Danielle,
There is no hard and fast 'rule' about chapter length, but if you are writing for a specific genre with an eye on publication of some sort, there are expected norms for each category. I don't even think about any of that when I'm drafting however. I let the chapters tell me when to stop and fix it, if necessary, during the rewrite.

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Hey Linda Lee,
I know there's no 'rules' or anything like that; I was just curious about what other people did as far as chapter lengths. I'm so used to being aware of only my writing and how I do it, that I find it interesting to see how other people operate

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I entered a contest that "suggested" the chapter length be "at least" 3000 words. I had to stick two chapters together to meet the specs. You must always follow the suggestions (requirements) given by the people in charge.  JP

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JP - Was this supposed to be a chapter contest you entered? Then I could see that requirement. But otherwise, I can't. A chapter is what it is: you have a beginning and an end. If it doesn't have an "end," then it doesn't constitute a chapter, in my view. There has to be at least a pause at the end, hopefully a hook, to prod the reader to the next chapter. I've seen chapters of two pages in bestsellers and chapters that are longer than 3000 words - in the same novel! If anyone tries to tell you what chapter-length limits are, you can disregard that so-called advice.

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Hey Jack, nobody is suggesting there are hard and fast rules but nearly all agents and pubs have their expected norms for a given genre. All I was trying to point out is that if you want to work with them is a goal, then paying some amount of attention to those expectations is a wise course of action.

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I seem to be in the minority here. I outline. Actually I just started outlining when I decided to do a murder mystery. My current project consists of 23 chapters, and my longest chapter is 4535 words and my shortest is 1092.

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John, I used to outline. I did it for a couple of stories, but then I lost all interest in them since I knew where it was going and what was going to happen. It was like the story was written in my head and then I was done with it. So now I go in with a general idea and a list of other ideas/options. And its how I approach every chapter. I go in with an idea of what the chapter is and then just let it take its course.

But again, this post wasn't intended to find out the "Rules" of chapter length or get advice. I just wanted to kind of see how other people do theirs. Purely curiosity.

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Danielle Buckingham wrote:

Hey Linda Lee,
I know there's no 'rules' or anything like that; I was just curious about what other people did as far as chapter lengths. I'm so used to being aware of only my writing and how I do it, that I find it interesting to see how other people operate

I don't worry about chapter length at all when drafting. I put it all out there, as it comes, and don't concern myself with anything but the writing. It's only in the final stages of rewriting that I even think about it.

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jack the knife wrote:

JP - Was this supposed to be a chapter contest you entered? Then I could see that requirement. But otherwise, I can't. A chapter is what it is: you have a beginning and an end. If it doesn't have an "end," then it doesn't constitute a chapter, in my view. There has to be at least a pause at the end, hopefully a hook, to prod the reader to the next chapter. I've seen chapters of two pages in bestsellers and chapters that are longer than 3000 words - in the same novel! If anyone tries to tell you what chapter-length limits are, you can disregard that so-called advice.

Well, well, we seem to be at odds today. It's a book competition, but finalists are selected based on the first chapter. I believe the thinking was that a short chapter wouldn't offer the judges enough material to work with. We'll see how it comes out. If I'm selected, you'll hear about it. Otherwise, I'll self-publish, and make the chapters as long or short as I like. But if a well-known publisher want to publish your book, I say, follow the rules!  JP

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Danielle--I outline down to the scene level. I never know how many words each scene will take. As I go along I add scenes and delete scenes. For me a chapter is simply a set of scenes that are related to one another. I never know the real ending of the story until I get there.

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John--I hear you. And for some that really works, but it didn't for me. Kind of crazy how that works, huh? I can't really explain it, but when I would outline it was like I had already written the book; I had found out what would happen to the characters. Even though it technically wasn't "set in stone" it was in my mind. I can outline to a certain point--say three chapters ahead.
I don't know. Its just fascinating how different methods  work for different people.

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Something to consider is the attention span of the average reader. In an ideal word, it shouldn't and wouldn't matter, but with things going the way they are (I might be showing my age here!), I think long chapters will become more and more a disadvantage/problem. I struggle to read for long periods of time on a screen compared to the paper version, but it may just be me. And, like everything else, there will be exceptions, so my comment is only meant in a general kind of way.

Personally ... I try to keep my chapters around the 2300-2500 mark and use scene breaks liberally.

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I try to shoot for 10-12 double-spaced pages, which seems to be equal to my own attention span when reading. :-)  Here on the site that's around 1.5 to 2.0 points for the reviewer. I dislike reading/reviewing very long chapters because I usually can't do it all in one sitting. Life intrudes.

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I take as many words as needed, but they usually end up about 3000 words. A short chapter might be 1000, and on rare occasion, a post a long one of maybe 7000.

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

I try to shoot for 10-12 double-spaced pages, which seems to be equal to my own attention span when reading. :-)  Here on the site that's around 1.5 to 2.0 points for the reviewer. I dislike reading/reviewing very long chapters because I usually can't do it all in one sitting. Life intrudes.

When I review something on the other side of 1.86 points, I know it's not going to happen in one sitting. Bless Sol and his little factory of minions that made it possible to save draft in-line reviews.

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JP - If there were "rules," I'd follow them. But there aren't, and I challenge anyone to substantiate a rule for chapter length. In your competition, though, I see the need for a length sufficient to show your stuff.

Linda - You state that "nearly all" agents and publishers have accepted norms for chapter length, depending on genre. Do you have any evidence for this? Because my research reveals just the opposite - that chapter lengths depend on the story context and can vary widely. Now novel length is a different story. There are "norms" for those, depending on genre. The rule of thumb, though, is to shoot for 80 - 90K. Exceptions: Sagas (think Michener)  in this range are likely to be rejected out of hand, and thrillers way above this range will be given the boot, too.

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jack the knife wrote:

JP - If there were "rules," I'd follow them. But there aren't, and I challenge anyone to substantiate a rule for chapter length. In your competition, though, I see the need for a length sufficient to show your stuff.

Linda - You state that "nearly all" agents and publishers have accepted norms for chapter length, depending on genre. Do you have any evidence for this? Because my research reveals just the opposite - that chapter lengths depend on the story context and can vary widely. Now novel length is a different story. There are "norms" for those, depending on genre. The rule of thumb, though, is to shoot for 80 - 90K. Exceptions: Sagas (think Michener)  in this range are likely to be rejected out of hand, and thrillers way above this range will be given the boot, too.

My simple answer is yes. So far I've worked with 2 agents--both of whom are quite sticky about chapter length because the publishers for that genre have stringent range criteria. Minor variations aren't an issue. They aren't going to reject a good work because a few chapters run below or above the range criteria. But on more than one occasion, I've been asked to split, trim, or enhance a chapter based on this criteria. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it in each instance, but it a practice widely considered 'norm' nonetheless.

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Dags, you're right, the mainstream route isn't a pleasant one. And with the popularity of self publishing, I'm not even sure mainstream pubs qualify as true mainstream anymore.

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Linda - Thanks for the input re your personal experience, though it surprises me that agents would advise altering a chapter based solely on word length. My experience differs, having dealt with editors of three different traditional publishers. In no instance was chapter length an issue, and my chapters have ranged from ~ 1000 words to well over 3000. I've yet to deal with agents though, and your experience makes me think that's been a good thing. smile

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Linda Lee wrote:

Dags, you're right, the mainstream route isn't a pleasant one. And with the popularity of self publishing, I'm not even sure mainstream pubs qualify as true mainstream anymore.

Absolutely!