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Yikes. My first act's final chapter, which was "in excess of 30 pages", has mushroomed even further to 38 pages. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with this bad boy. I'm not going to change it now, but I clearly have to do something with it eventually to hack it down to size (e.g., 20 pages or less is reasonable for this book's chapter lengths). That's a lot to cut!

I suppose I could treat it like a tie-in for the book, and use the tie-in to give a detailed version of the trimmed version in the book.

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One possibility is to make half of it wrap up act 1 and the other half the second chapter of act 2 (Apollo is up first in act 2 since Joseph closed act 1).

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If it's a bother, you might review how many characters live to the end.

Killing a few off nicely reduces the number of threads that need to be resolved. They should be driving in their exits (Cersei, that's not you) so we feel heightened tension going in. Each should try to divert their threads from reaching the final chapter by attaining sufficient closure. Preferably by unifying with the surviving characters. This will bind things nicely

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You mean live to the end of the book or to the end of this nonstop chapter ("The Freudians")? No one dies in the chapter as it's more of a character development chapter for Joseph. I also introduced a young nurse named Catherine in it who is now among my favorite characters. She becomes somewhat like an older sister to Joseph. I'm considering punting other characters, so I can make room for her in the rest of the book. She's much more real than either Princess Stephanie (doormat) or Eve (Joseph's ex-doormat). As written, though, the chapter belongs at the end of act one, not the beginning of act two.

I have a similar problem brewing with Apollo's first chapter in act two, although not with regard to length but rather the fact that it doesn't really belong in act two either. It's an assassination attempt against the Imperial Family, staged by Nero to rally the support of the ruling elite, who are beginning to sour on his rule. The assassination attempt is where Caligula loses half his face. That's a great chapter to close out Apollo's first act, not to open the second ("The Young Leaders' Conference").

I think if I choose a moment of maximum danger to both Apollo and Joseph in their respective chapters above, then I could end act one on a cliffhanger for each of them. At that point, it seems more reasonable to wrap up those two chapters as the first pair of act two.

I'm still wondering if "The Freudians" is too weird compared to the rest of the book, though. Joseph is pretty much naked the whole chapter, and it gets stranger from there, although I think it all makes sense given the circumstances, some of which you don't realize until near the end of the chapter, when a few secrets are revealed. Terry seemed to like it; he said he hopes Catherine and Joseph will eventually get together, although it won't be that simple since Joseph is supposed to be coming to terms with being gay, and there is Christian, his intended love interest, to deal with. I could shift it, though, and make him bisexual if need be.

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Quick survey for anyone who cares to vote:
- psychiatric wards in the year 4017 are referred to as brainial units, and psychiatrists are referred to as Freudians, which is also the name of the above noted chapter
- the other option is to call the psychiatrists brainials
- brainials would be a reasonable choice if all of this were to be taken seriously; Freudians seems a little odd, so it may be a better choice in this case

Any preferences?

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Hmmm.  It seems unlikely that Freud would have won out over everything and everyone.  There are so many to choose from.  Of course, you could just use Kafka, or that destructive fraud, Bruno Betterheim.  Or you could go with Oliver Sacks, if you mean them to be places of dignity and true healing.

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Kafka has a nice ring to it. But I assume most people would have to google it.

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I suppose Doctor Caliogstro is out?

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The main reason for Freudian was simply name recognition. It doesn't mean that in 4017 they'll agree with his beliefs and methods.

I previously considered shrinker, master-shrink, pill-shrinks, and talk-shrinks but didn't like any of them.

I reread some of the internet writings about Kafka. My favorite is this: ''Kafkaesque'' means ''having a nightmarishly complex, bizarre, or illogical quality." smile  Not sure how I would explain how his name became the future term for psychiatrist. Interestingly, Kafka died of tuberculosis at a fairly young age.

This one looks good, but virtually no one will have heard of him: Philippe Pinel is often considered the "father of modern psychiatry." He is most famous for his humane treatment of the mentally ill, as well as his contributions to the diagnosis and treatment of mental disorders. Among other things, he advocated not using chains on the mentally ill. Apparently shrinks of the past needed to be told this? Wow! His work paved the way for modern psychotherapy.

Given how kooky my book is, including a number of its memorable characters, I'd like to find a way to get Pinel's name in the book in some meaningful way. Having psychiatrists called Pinels (or something similar) would probably cause nothing but confusion, though. I could perhaps change the Brainial Unit to the Pinel Unit and leave it to readers to google. Meh.

An article on Bettelheim by one of his former patients/students pretty much paints him as an idiotic dick. He's worse than the head shrink of the Brainial Unit where Joseph is trapped.

I didn't read anything that would suggest why some variant of Sacks would be the word for shrink in the far future. Clearly a smart man and a significant contributor to the field, but if readers of my book were to google his name, they'd be scratching their heads as to why I chose his name. Still, future psychiatrists could then be called Sacksons. smile

Tzan-Tzas is a strong contender. I'd have to get across that these doctors are shrinks, but the reader would have to google the rest. That's the term for the shrunken heads produced by natives of the Amazon region who once practiced head hunting. smile

Brainial remains the boring fallback term.

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He's worse than the head shrink of the Brainial Unit where Joseph is trapped.

I'd suggest Brainial Ward or Department instead of Unit.

Don't laugh, but for the staff, I'm partial to psychiatrist and shrink (as opposed to Freudians and Pinels) only because of term-occlusion.

(eg in VQ I could have called androids "Bills" or "Gates" or "Jobs"... maybe even "Babbages" but to do so, I'd need to do a lift to ensure the terms fit well and the world-history supports it. This would naturally put pressure on the competing terms that show up after she "dies" thereby crowding the story)

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I also found Stargate very clean with its terms.

AIs: the Replicators. [Replicator is easy for the reader to parse - presumably, it replicates lol]
Hybrid: "Human-form Replicator"
Weapon: "Replicator disruptor cannon" and "Anti-replicator gun"
Specific Hybrid: Bob -> Replicator Bob

Compare to Battlestar:
AIs: Cylons
Hybrid: Skinjob or toaster
Weapon: (I checked the wiki and went cross-eyed)
Specific Hybrid: One of (15?) models eg groups of clones

Both are fine. I'm not knocking Battlestar. But Battlestar doesn't also have an Imperium to manage. It can devote all the page space it needs into one milieu.

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Kdot, how do you feel about shrinkers and master-shrink? I tried both (and brainial) but found they were too bland. Hence the reason I'm looking for something sexier. Unlike other sci-fi stories, mine is a demented space opera with no need to remain 100% serious. In fact, going against norms is a hallmark of this story.

Admittedly calling them tsantsas requires a little setup, but all of the setup I've done for other names I've toyed with was indirect: the shrinks are addressed as doctors, Joseph is at the hospital because his parents fear a mental health problem, he's taken to a "branial" unit and is asked whether he considers himself mentally ill, he's placed in a rubber room, his clothes are taken away because someone suicidal could commit suicide using just clothes, and he's at the hospital to evaluate whether he has Archangel Syndrome.

Now, Joseph is not suicidal, but the head shrink takes away the clothes of all new patients to pressure them to cooperate with whatever tests and treatments are deemed appropriate. Joseph has been promised that he'll be given something to wear "soon" as long as he continues to cooperate. Also, he'll be allowed to contact his parents "in a few days" if he continues to cooperate.

In theory, that could allow me to use any of the terms discussed in my previous post (I realized that after posting), but tsantsas are a cool Easter egg in that they are, literally, shrunken heads. Admittedly, it requires a few brain cells to connect the shrunken heads of head hunters with shrinks, but once you've got it, it becomes obvious why this crazy story would use such an odd term for its psychiatrists.

A bit of trivia: There were two real-life cases in the not too distant past where patients hung themselves with just their underwear.

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shrinkers and master-shrink <--- I can read these with having to pause and think
tsantsas <--- couldn't parse this one (not without a google or your explanation) As you say, it'd take some setup.

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I googled for famous psychiatrists and there was virtually no one in the list that most people would recognize, certainly not more so than Freud. Barring some inspired term better than brainial, I'm going to go with the latter. Kind of plain but needs little to no explanation.

I'm curious, why do you suggest brainial ward instead of brainial unit?

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Unit is closer to "thing"... fighting unit, computational unit, operational unit, units of measure, scaling unit, and so on. As a word it conveys little other than the concept of modularity. Wheras for the same number of letters, ward conveys health-care

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Okay, last one:
- psychiatrists will be brain-masters
- a psychiatric ward will be either a brainial ward or a brain-mastering ward; I lean toward the latter; makes the terminology more consistent

EDIT: Brain-mastering ward is way too long (I use it a lot), so brain-masters and brainial ward win.


My thanks to all.
Dirk

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I'm looking to finalize the name of the global church on New Bethlehem. I've been using the Libertarian Church, which is ok if I wanted to be totally serious. But why on Earth would I want to start now? smile  The Libertarian Church was founded a few centuries from now based on the Mammonists for Christ Movement of the 21st century, which was begun by the stinking rich for the stinking rich (a tax dodge).

Now, since later supporters of the Mammonist Movement truly came to believe you could serve both mammon and Christ, I figure they would push strongly for that to also be the name of the church: Mammonists for Christ Church. While that may seem ridiculous to outsiders, the members of that denomination believe fervently in their church and its views.

Stranger things have happened, especially in American politics. smile

Thus, I'm inclined to name it the way its followers would: Mammonists for Christ Church.

Thoughts?
Dirk

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What are your posting plans for this vs Connor?

I've been kinda following in the background but haven't reviewed as yet. Curious which one is higher on your radar for completion.

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I'm just finalizing a few things in act one of Archangel + I have to apply plenty of minor edits I've already received, then I'll stop working on it except for an expected trickle of further feedback from a few new reviewers.

I'm pretty sure you read fairly recent versions of everything in act one of Archangel except the final 3-part chapter. I haven't put all of act one back up yet post-crash to slow the influx of reviews (I'm falling too far behind my reviewers).

I also have plenty of recent suggested edits to add to Connor v1.

Doing all of the above will probably take until the end of August. After that, almost all my time will go toward Connor v2.

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Queen Aussie: I would ask that you free my humatronic brain from this vessel as soon as this mission is over. I find naked apes exceedingly violent, even more so than their turd-flinging hairy brethren.

I'd love to see Alexa talk like that. tongue