"One evening, when we were already resting on the floor of our hut, dead tired, soup bowls in hand, a fellow prisoner rushed in and asked us to run out to the assembly grounds and see the wonderful sunset. Standing outside we saw sinister clouds glowing in the west and the whole sky alive with clouds of ever-changing shapes and colors, from steel blue to blood red. The desolate grey mud huts provided a sharp contrast, while the puddles on the muddy ground reflected the glowing sky. Then, after minutes of moving silence, one prisoner said to another, 'How beautiful the world could be.'" - Viktor Frankl, referencing a moment as a prisoner at Auschwitz.
326 2017-03-04 22:01:12
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
327 2017-03-03 17:29:35
Re: Narrators! Read me a poem, tell me a story (25 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
I just rewatched the John Adams mini-series. Even better the second time. It's my favorite biography.
This clip is one of my favorites. x
I also really love this one, and this clip, at the end of the series (no spoilers). Gave me a chill. Those were some incredible people...
328 2017-03-03 16:54:04
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
I'm about halfway though Grant's memoirs now. I just finished the Seige of Vicksburg. Apparently when the Confederates surrendered, the soldiers hadn't eaten in quite some time. The Union soldiers remained silent as the Confederate soldiers passed, rather than cheering victory, then began reaching into their bags and sharing bread with the defeated Confederates...
329 2017-02-24 21:47:06
Re: Trivia and Trouble. Get it here! (46 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
This sort of thing is ridiculous, as in, how fast is life?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-m9A8mY-U0
330 2017-02-24 19:33:45
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
It's the Hugh Grant biography. Not much to it.
331 2017-02-23 23:20:15
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
I'm a third through Grant's memoirs. Piping good.
332 2017-02-23 23:19:39
Re: Lines in literature that make you stop and think. (59 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
x
333 2017-02-23 23:18:56
Re: Post-Its. (58 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
I just wrote two pages. I have no idea why. I have midterms coming up. I'm supposed to be studying. I was reading, and suddenly I got up as if my body has a will of its own (it does) and I just started writing. I don't even know what it is. A story! A novel? So weird how it just suddenly appears, and then you must.
334 2017-02-16 17:28:37
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
Just finished and loved The Portrait of a Lady. Now I'm starting Grant's Personal Memoirs.
335 2017-02-10 18:48:48
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
I thought of Cold Mountain too! It's one of my favorites as well. I love the texture of it -- scenes like The Siege of Petersburg contrasted with quiet scenes.
Some actors are so good at what they do, I'm actually startled to hear them speak in their true accent after a movie. I watched The Holiday a while back and found Jude Law's English accent momentarily disorienting, even though I've realized he's English. I guess that means he's good at what he does! I became so drawn into the movie, I forgot so many of the actors weren't actually American.
Unlike on Downton Abbey, where every American accent sounds like a stiff robot, even when he is supposed to be a Southern jazz singer. Pardon me, but that accent doesn't sound like anyone from America. It sounds like some kind of canned robot.
City of Gold by Len Deighton.
A "me" book?
I'm still working on the brick that is The Portrait of a Lady. I'm enjoying it. James's style reminds me of Edith Wharton's work. (I guess it's more accurate to say hers reminds me of his.) The House of Mirth is one of my favorite novels, and I notice echoes of it in The Portrait of a Lady. Quiet, crisp diction. The gentle woman walking against the current of her society.
I'll probably do a reread of The House of Mirth next, then I might begin The Personal Memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant. (The movie Genius reminded me of it, calling it a beautiful work. Now I'm doubly curious. I looked it up, and it's considered one of the top war memorials of all time, apparently. It was written when Grant was dying, so that his family would have something to live on after he was gone. Apparently he was experiencing a lot of pain but still produced a great work.)
A couple of years ago I was driving from London...
Har! You do get absorbed!! I can see getting lost in an audio book on a monotonous road trip with nothing there to distract. What a strange sensation to come awake several miles off your destination, though! The body continues driving but the mind goes somewhere else, and you proceed despite yourself.
x
336 2017-02-09 20:08:04
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
I love a book that can make me sink into it like that! It's rare with me: I'm extremely aware. And when I try to read on the train, I inevitably sit next to someone whose phone won't stop ringing.
I know what you mean about "me" books. It definitely makes a difference.
Have you seen Genius, a recent film about Thomas Wolfe and editor Max Perkins? It was released in 2016 and received some pretty bad reviews. Apparently everyone found the process of editing a book (covered in the movie) DULL STUFF, but I was pretty hooked. I mean, it's set in the twenties. And there is a Hemingway cameo. And F. Scott Fitzgerald is in it. I'm saying, literature.
337 2017-02-05 18:56:38
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Et tu, Brute?
Another misspell? Surely you mean -- Et tu, brule?
Be serious: typing "creme brule" is the same as typing "rayneboe." Sure, it communicates the message, but it's slovenly. And then you blamed your phone! No! Don't let technology take the heat! It was you! I had no idea how to spell crème brûlée, either (having never had need of the word before), but for goodness sake, what does it take? Two seconds to look it up? Have some pride, man. If you're going to use the word, spell it correctly. Lead the pack! Be a writer not a blotter!
Just my two cents, to be taken or tossed.
(I must address this "Where did we leave off with our game?" dismissal of a dear friend of mine: I smell a whiff of possession in that "our." Let us not colonize the thread, please. Pardon me if I've read that line wrong (dangers of online communication), but I began this game to continue one I'd been playing for years with Dill. So you know. I wouldn't point it out (what do I care? It's a community thread, and you're certainly welcome to play), except that I sense a "you are excluded" in that "where did we leave off with OUR game," which I cannot let pass unremarked. As for your comportment in the thread Dill cited a few pages back, I most definitely stand in solidarity with him. Your detachment in the conversation he cites, truncated to text language, speaks volumes about your relation to the world around you. If that isn't the message you intended with your WTF and LMAO, it might be a good idea to take the feedback seriously? That's up to you of course.)
Listening is a skill, sir. We are not all so well endowed as our neighbor.
ear trumpet
- saving lives since 1732.
338 2017-02-04 10:50:47
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
In his cups ...
One would have to be that to write "creme brule."
gruel
339 2017-02-03 17:40:22
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
Hello!
- The Portrait of a Lady by Henry James (LOVELY, so far. Although I've only just begun.)
- Victoria by Daisy Goodwin (The miniseries is just airing here in America. I'm quite addicted.)
Just finished a reread of The Tempest for a class. I see more in Shakespeare every time.
The Girl With All The Gifts by M. R. Carey
That one has some good reviews!
340 2017-02-01 00:38:13
Re: Two writing tips I've unlearned since joining TNBW. (14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Thanks, sir! I posted about fifteen chapters of it when I first joined, and then I proceeded to rewrite the first chapter over and over from every possible angle until one of us gravely expired.
341 2017-01-31 21:12:38
Re: Two writing tips I've unlearned since joining TNBW. (14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Do not mistake copulas and the progressive tenses for passive voice.
Agreed. I used to get reviews suggesting I remove all instances of "was." ALL OF THEM. Progressive tense has its purpose. It would be absurd to eliminate every "was." I can't imagine a reputable editor suggesting such a thing.
Reacting to reviewers is not compulsory. A wise author will, however, look at the advice with great care. In every review, there is always a nugget of information that helps improve your endeavor.
Yes, absolutely!
The best advice I was given was to read your work out loud. The ear can tell a flat note on the page, whereas the mind can gloss it over.
Another tip is to wait a couple months before you do that, as you may have passages of your work memorized if you've recently been working on it. I've tried reading my work aloud a couple months (er, years) later, and my goodness I saw oddities I didn't notice when I was close. Ahem, all those strange verbs.
342 2017-01-31 19:11:25
Re: Two writing tips I've unlearned since joining TNBW. (14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
"Which" was correct in that sentence.
Ah, thank you!
343 2017-01-31 18:06:22
Topic: Two writing tips I've unlearned since joining TNBW. (14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
I'm sharing the following from personal experience if it's of use. Corrections welcomed! Especially since the theme of this post is bad advice gone wrong. My credentials are trial and error -- nothing more. :-)
So, I was pretty new to writing when I joined this site a few years ago. Kind reviewers made lots of great suggestions on my novel*, which helped immensely**. But there are a couple lessons I've needed to unlearn since my early days here:
1) When I first began posting my novel, I was strongly urged to remove as many instances of the word "that" from my manuscript as possible, because it would reduce the word count. I was also told that replacing "that" with "which" would help mix up the repetition of the word "that" throughout the manuscript. I've believed since then that "which" could stand in for "that."
- In fact: "That" and "which" are not interchangeable in American English. PROBABLY a good idea to look this stuff up. I assumed reviewers knew what they were talking about when they advised replacing a few of my "thats" with "which", but they were (I assume) merely passing on what they'd been told and hadn't realized opposed grammatical standards. Removing the "thats" is sound advice when they become cumbersome and repetitious. Don't replace them with "which" unless that's the grammatically correct choice (look up restrictive/nonrestrictive clauses), and don't remove them when they are necessary to the sentence. "That" is an actual word and sometimes the appropriate choice. (If you have a lot of "that" in your manuscript, you might rephrase some of these sentences so the "that" is no longer necessary. Don't just delete them, or replace them with "which.")
2) I was told by several people that an active verb is better than a passive one. (I realize now this might have been better stated "active sentence construction is preferable to passive," for I fixated on the "verb" part of the advice and tried to think up some extremely creative ones. And my eye is on a few of you, for I've seen the same folly.)
- In fact: Rewriting a sentence into active voice doesn't mean you take a perfectly good subtle sentence and stick in a strange verb to make it interesting. Example: if I rewrote the sentence that begins point one above, I might say something like, "Reviewers stampeded me to remove as many instances of the word..." STAMPEDED! I would have written that! There's a right active verb! I'd think. But come on. This certainly isn't a better sentence than the one I wrote above. No one stampeded. Now I'm thinking of horses for no reason. CLUNKY. I realize now it just sounds better to write "Reviewers suggested (etc.)" "Suggested" is a serviceable word that does the job. "Stampeded" is a strange word that has no place in the context of the sentence. Also? It's completely fine to put in some passive: "I was urged" makes me the receiver of action and the star of the sentence. "Reviewers suggested" places the focus on reviewers. Different emphasis. It's a subtle shift but can change the feel of a paragraph and certainly have a big effect on the manuscript as a whole, depending on where you place the focus. My personal feeling? Don't write completely in passive voice unless you want to exhaust your reader (which may be the point), but DON'T transform it all to active, either. Think through what you're doing. It's not all or nothing. A passive moment in the middle of active writing stands out. Remember not to strip passive from your dialogue: people often speak passively. It can say reams about them psychologically. And when you are transforming to active, don't think that a vicious verb makes your writing fierce. It might when used strategically. Not so much when used to dress up the manuscript for the sake of interesting verbs. If I want that in my literature, I'll read a thesaurus. Tension, plot, character arc -- this stuff makes the story. Pretty verbs take away from it because words are stage directors: they're supposed to hide in the background, silently directing. You don't want your stage director wearing hot pink and pouncing on the stage in the middle of a tense scene to sing a solo.
These tips might seem elementary to some of you, but I could have used this note back when I was dousing my manuscripts with misplaced whiches and odd solo singers.
PS: Adverbs and adjectives are lovely. Let us not obliterate them entirely, despite the popular tendency to suggest they all be deleted. You don't want a bunch of verbs and no adverbs. How uncreative...
Please correct me on anything above if I've misspoken. I'm speaking from opinion, not experience, and would welcome the latter!
(Writing talk! It's what we used to do! Back when I first joined the site, conversations like this were very friendly: we weighed in, shared suggestions, offered friendly insight on one another's viewpoints, shook hands all around and walked away with some new ideas. I feel that it has been far too long since we've done that.)
* A novel long since dead, but let us all mourn it independently, please.
** Ironically, I have no idea if I'm supposed to use "which" or "that" in this sentence. I've tried both. /faints
344 2017-01-31 17:48:17
Re: Shadow Plotting and 3rd Person for Secondary Characters. (12 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
The best books that I've ever read about writing are not about writing they are simply the best books that I've ever read.
Agreed! I find it easier to consider why something doesn't work than why it does. It's often pretty obvious when it doesn't work: clumpy writing & such. When it does work, I find it's often because the author is so talented the strategy remains beneath the surface. For me, it takes a bit more digging to find it.
(I like what you say about "the storyteller's" point of view. Yes!)
345 2017-01-28 21:37:26
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
- Twelve Years a Slave by Solomon Northrup
- Relativity: The Special & General Theory (my brother's idea, not mine!)
346 2017-01-28 00:02:39
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
corra wrote:foot in mouth
subtle censorship?
You would find that subtle?
Carrot Top.
mountaintop
347 2017-01-26 21:17:39
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
C J Driftwood wrote:vern wrote:orifice kotex
seriously, vern?
Not so much
foot in mouth
348 2017-01-24 19:29:52
Re: WHAT ARE YOU READING RIGHT NOW? (326 replies, posted in The Write Club -- Creative Writing and Literature Discussions Group)
- The Widow's War by Sally Cabot Gunning
- The American Scholar by Ralph Waldo Emerson
- Eden's Outcasts: The Story of Louisa May Alcott and Her Father by John Matteson
- A Tempest by Aimé Césaire
- An Apology for Raymond Sebond by Michel de Montaigne
349 2017-01-24 13:50:44
Re: Shadow Plotting and 3rd Person for Secondary Characters. (12 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
As far as deciding what PoV to do per chapter, I have (quite recently) learned that it's best to go with whatever character has the most to lose.
What about Nick Carroway in The Great Gatsby? If the story had been told through Jay Gatsby, we'd have a completely different story: access to his mind, his viewpoint, his goals. By choosing to tell the story through Nick, Fitzgerald adds a great deal of suspense.
I think it's important to consider what effect a POV character will have on the tale, rather than deciding that all stories (or particular scenes) must be told through the viewpoint of the one who has the most to lose. Think about who has the most to lose, sure. But consider how the scene might be either strengthened or weakened depending on who experiences it for the reader. Distance is not always a bad thing.
350 2017-01-23 21:10:31
Re: Say the first word that comes to mind... (1,634 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)
Native Americans wronged
Standing Rock