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(212 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

corra wrote:
Temple Wang wrote:

... I nominate "whinge" as the first Word of the Day
whinge
v.
"to complain peevishly," British, informal or dialectal, ultimately from the northern form of Old English hwinsian, from Proto-Germanic *khwinisojan (cf. Old High German winison, German winseln), from root of Old English hwinan "to whine" (see whine (v.)). Related: Whinged ; whinging.
*curtseys* and *goes back to critiquing, because she finds the site quite good and is impressed with Sol's efforts to accommodate, especially in light of so much tempest in his TNBW teacup*

A year or so ago, Sol asked existing members for feedback about what worked/didn't work (in our view) as the new site was cooking. He asked again as the new site was headed to launch, and has repeatedly said that he appreciates candor as it helps him make improvements. He doesn't agree with it all, but the feedback helps him make decisions. Linda is continuing that discussion now that she's tried out the new site long enough to perceive a few of the rough patches on her end. What you perceive as "whinging" is a conversation in which you have stumbled unawares.

Linda has the rare talent of being direct without ever slipping into spite. You might benefit from the example.

Corra, don't bother.  This is life according to Temple:  If your name is not Temple, you are whinging and bitching, Linda's first post being the exception by some kind of shoe-fitting fairy-tale miracle i.e. because Temple said so or concurred.  If your name is Temple or Temple agrees with you, only then is it a legitimate request or reply or post or opinion.  (No need to thank me or reply Temple, consider clarifying this as my good deed for today).

ps - Temple will of course reply, because she's very independent and do as she wishes.  I admire that greatly.

We are of course ignoring this reply from Linda in response to Temple agreeing with someone about this being a bitching list for the moment by being very selective and because you have agreed with Linda once (way back then):

Linda Lee wrote:

Rosie, Temple et al,  many of us commenting on this thread have been members of The Next Big Writer for many years (9 years for me) and have migrated to this site from a far simpler community oriented workshop site. As you may imagine, when you have something that worked well for so long, adapting to HUGE SWEEPING CHANGE can be more than a little unnerving. But you should know that the opinions given in this thread were solicited by Sol. He's always been dedicated to improving workflow when it comes to what's most important to newbies and oldies alike; i.e. giving and getting writing feedback.

I have to admit, I admire Temple's ability to turn most reasonable on-topic replies directed to her into something personal and completely irrelevant to the intent behind the post. I also admire her ability to twist words deliberately around to suit her agenda while she somehow still connect it to the topic, no matter how far fetched it may be. 

I'm okay with this, because Sol is okay with it, and because I fully support everyone's right to freedom of speech and to have their opinion heard, even when they contradict themselves without fail.

I would have agreed with your reply and Linda's, but then we will be instructed to a get a room.  A classic/very original reply when you dare to agree with someone not named Temple and when Temple is not in agreement too.  I would admire this, if it wasn't for the predictability.  In other words, I agree with you and Linda, by not exactly saying I agree with you and Linda  wink

My next item for the wish-list is:  to return to submitting ideas and suggestions, all and sundry, for Sol's consideration and to make this site the best it can be.  And if someone should feel a suggestion or idea is not up to whatever the standard it is they hold, that they will give it a cursory glance and no more.

*hobbles away with a melting wax shoe on one foot*

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(212 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Temple Wang wrote:

Sol, old friend.  I think you should change your name to Job (of the Book of Job fame).  I have an item for your wish list.  Let's have a Word of the Day

To get the ball rolling, I nominate "whinge" as the first Word of the Day
whinge
v.
"to complain peevishly," British, informal or dialectal, ultimately from the northern form of Old English hwinsian, from Proto-Germanic *khwinisojan (cf. Old High German winison, German winseln), from root of Old English hwinan "to whine" (see whine (v.)). Related: Whinged ; whinging.
*curtseys* and *goes back to critiquing, because she finds the site quite good and is impressed with Sol's efforts to accommodate, especially in light of so much tempest in his TNBW teacup*

Love your idea Temple!!!  Although I (for one) was going for melodramatic  sad 

Jokes aside ...

I fail to see any bitching or whinging in this thread (but that's me).  I have noticed that some would like to see what had made the old site so great, and wasn't copied across, incorporated here as well.  And I have also noticed new members that had made suggestions based on what other sites they are members of are doing that would improve TNBW.  It's a good mix of suggestions, and it would likely result in a better outcome compared to if only one group was allowed to have their say/way.  And Sol is doing pretty good in my opinion to maintain that balance.  So hat's off to him.

And yes, we should probably thank Sol much more for all his hard work, even if it may be hard to really express our heartfelt appreciation in words (well, at least for me).  But somehow I suspect that Sol knows it is appreciated.

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(212 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

KHippolite wrote:

Sarcasm is prohibited for everyone except KHippolite

Heh.

Rosie, what you're seeing here is a change of the guard.

We came to this site in its older format, and it was very obtuse. We got kicked around by the format. Those of us who surived were those who were able to absorb that into our writing process.

Now imagine you have a site you consider excellent and someone snatches it away from you and says here's something more modern but it has oly 45% of what you had before, but 200% of what you weren't using. You will naturally moan and complain. It's human nature.

We old fogies will either adapt or move on. Before we do, we will complain like old men returning soup in a deli. Please do not fear... all is not lost. Despite what we might say, the new site has much more promise than the old. And look at Facebook every time they make a minor change... millions of complaints. It's a part of the process.

There's a phoenix somewhere in the pile of ashes. Ignore those of us who say otherwise.

Indeed, by some miracle that phoenix shall rise, despite it's heart being ripped out through his arse and his soul through his nostrils. But he will be beautiful, and the only phoenix flapping his wings while he drags himself forward on crutches, eyes gazing upwards to the skies, flexing his muscled right index finger, the incessant clicking sounds of his mouse ringing in his bleeding ears. This is of course the optimistic outcome.

Back to the bitch-list to give our phoenix a little nudge - a "regular review" button next to the "in-line review" button would be really nice. "Previous" and "next" buttons to the left and right of the top chapter navigation drop down list would ease the pain in the bones of my poor right index finger.

May Sol hear my cries in the chorus of pain.

JR

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Hi Shearluck

I need to apologise for my comment - I thought your comment was tongue-in-cheek.  Hard to know over the internet, and I should know better.  I didn't intend any disrespect by that.

That whole thing about you need experience to be hired, yet can't get any experience because you don't have experience and don't get hired is shit.  I hope you get a break one day, and soon, and get to do what you would rather be doing! 

Janet

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Shearluck wrote:

I am indeed up to speed, finally have a day off from my wonderful job, which is very rewarding, and an excellent use of my skills, ability, and time.

You say this like there are jobs that isn't all of that ...

If I had known you 16 years ago, I would've asked you to do ALL the toasts at my wedding!

Whooooo-hooooo!  Anyways, yeah, we're getting really excited on this side of earth!

Your wine wink will fly from Perth - Auckland - San Francisco - Seattle. 

And then soon after it will fly:  Bellingham - Toledo.  big_smile  big_smile  big_smile

amy s wrote:

Really?  I thought this one was more clinical and less...I dunno...less personal, perhaps?  New Jersey came up with an idea (which I love) that this should be the title of the compilation of short stories.  I love the idea of making the focus about jumping him higher, learning more, etc.  What do you think?

A

No it's no less personal than any of the others IMO.  Reason is you've brilliantly combined your frustration/difficulty/longing with your appreciation to be within an environment where you can drop your guard a little bit.  But then again, even when you can drop your guard, you can't because you dropped your guard a little bit, but you still had tabs on Collin, so you're still on duty even though you are where you are.

Collin rushes through the door, a blazing smile on his face.  In my mind, Autism hoots, "Friend-play-missed-him-oh-look-a-squirrel!"

^^^^^^^^^ this nearly had me in tears - I don't know if I can explain it in words though.  To me, this means Collin made a connection (friend), and a deep emotional one at that (missed him), with someone outside of his immediate family.  And we see it for a moment, and then it's gone again (look, a squirrel).  But to me, it's not gone like in missing, only hidden, hidden so close but still so far.  And to me, in this piece you're trying to bring that emotion/connection to the surface again, but not for Eric or someone else, for you!

So no, it's not clinical.  You probably think it is because you're trying to keep a balance and not make it too raw/emotional.  You keep that balance (and I don't think it's something that's easy to do)

And yeap, it is a really great title!  NJC is good like that.  Makes everyone else looks bad though ....  *mumbles under breath*  :-)

amy s wrote:

I had some time yesterday, so I managed to burp out another autism story for anyone who has a free moment. 

Thanks in advance if you can find some time!

A

Posted a review - I'm starting to struggle to choose a favourite one, this last one I think just bumped the previous contender off the podium.  But it was like a 0.0001 milli-second kind of race finish!  smile

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

amy s wrote:

Shearluck and NJC both said they prefer popcorn and a comfy seat to watch the fur fly.

Fur ... when we rewrite this, I'll add fur to the trolls.  What an excellent idea!!!!  And yes, we're going to re-write this - we will win more prizes that way!  wink

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

KHippolite wrote:

I'm sure a few of the others will join in when they spot this. I'm betting Rebecca and bimmy will. Not sure Judy will make it. njc might be cooking something up, perhaps? What about Shearluck?

Well, if I can do it ..... *throw my glove on the floor*

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

amy s wrote:

I like how Janet made her speak like a lady when she's frightened.  And I like that she dared to keep Janet in her dialect during the other times. 

Anyone else interested in picking up the thread?  Otherwise I'm going to mull a bit and see what I can come up with.  I work for the next two nights.  If I can find some time while in the coal mines, I'll have something in the pipe by Sunday.  (If I triple my time estimates, I always look like a miracle worker)

I thought her lady manners could add a nice layer to her character, and the way it's set up, she was stressed and reverted to her "normal" speech .... so readers should go:  mmmm, interesting.

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

amy s wrote:

Shearluck and NJC both said they prefer popcorn and a comfy seat to watch the fur fly.

Shearluck claimed ignorance as the reason.  I think he is enlightened now - it would be good to get his take on this.

amy s wrote:

Thanks.  I've fought to give Jaylene a bigger presence.  First versions had her written as too passive.  I had to make it clear that she knows her job and where she fits within the church.  (without adding too much church to the story!)

Eh, baby steps.

A

It's paying dividends big time - so far, the balance between Jaylene and Alda is spot on IMO.  And I haven't seen Jaylene being passive at all.  To the contrary, she takes the lead, but let other do what they do best ie she uses each one's strength to the fullest and don't try to be the end all.

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

KHippolite wrote:

You were willing to follow Amy in on that unusual speech pattern. Impressive... I wasn't daring enough to try. I see what you did with the last line.

Just pretend you're German ... wink

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Rough draft, no checking - this is a rule yes?!

Eyes pursed tight and soundlessly gasping for air, Char gave little heed to the conversation on the other side of the broken door.  The thick, stale air inside made it hard to breathe.

Still betta tha' bein’ burnt ta dust.

Char, keeping her eyes closed, waited for the imbeciles to move on so that she can get out of there.  Quick.

“We have better things to do.”  Feet clattered on stone; fading rapidly.

Gud, da daft guards iz gone.

“Hey!  You dropped the bird!  It’s yours!”

Darnit, da bum iz still ‘ere.

“No harm done!  Please, come out, won't you?”

A frosty wind blew across Char’s exposed skin.

Hiz wasting precious time!

Char crushed the piece of bread in her right hand; a trickle of sweat dribbled down her temple and cheek.  It left a trail of ice behind.  Crunching her face, she closed her eyes even tighter.  A desperate cry almost escaped, an iron clad fist on her chest the force behind it.  The air chilled some more.  The hair on her arms rose.  She knew, should she open her eyes, she would see white mist every time she exhaled. 

She also knew evil. 

Outside, footsteps shuffled closer and then moved back again, a few times.  But finally, the man went away.

Char scuffled, her back pressed hard against the cold stone, oh so slowly, to the entrance.  Two steps and she’d be gone.

“And where do you think you are going?”  The voice was gruff, hoarse; yet, distinctively female.

One-and-a-half steps.

“Ha ha ha ha.  Ha ha ha ha.  She thinks she can escape!”

A chorus of bitter laughs joined the voice in a chorus to end in bone piercing howls.

One step.

Char was almost there when a frozen grip tightened around her left wrist.  Char gulped, and then screamed.  Eyes wide, she tried to yank her arm free, for naught.

Clouds shifted outside and let golden streaks of sunshine paint a haggard shape on rotten filth through the distorted entrance.  Bodies hobbled out of the way; bodies Char could now make out.

There were only females. 

Hardly any hair covered bold, green heads of those not wearing hairpieces.  The hairpieces made no difference.  Crooked noses, scattered liberally with dark, hairy moles, nearly touched their mouths.  Pointed, dropped jaws revealed coal black toothless gums.  A lucky few had one rotting, mouldy tooth left – bottom row.  Eyes, far apart, were like nuggets of gold glowing in the sun.  Char never thought gold could glow cold.  Grimy robes of indeterminate colours covered their grotesque, rotund bodies.

The hold on her wrist didn’t budge at all.

Time froze; Char remained fixed on the spot.  The moist bread in her hand completely forgotten.

Would logical reasoning work with them?

Maybe she could convince them it’s not because they are trolls, but it’s because they are eating humans that they’re not liked?

Char shook her head.  She was being silly.  And talking like a lady again. 

Biting her lip, blinking back tears, she knew, watching the white mist of her exhaled breath, they were not capable of rational thoughts.  And once they had you in their sights, they will never let go.

Priest sez I ‘uz born in year 1085.  Lost me mum to fever tha’ day.  It uzed ta be the worst day of my life.

Next?  Hopefully Edmund isn't deaf, but very brave!

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

I'm so out of my depth, but I guess it's too late for popcorn.  Plugged my headphones in my iPod, Linkin Park will have to be my inspiration ....  So here I go.

KHippolite wrote:

First impressions... glad something's spelled out for me. Someone stood up and said "there's the bad guy". Thank you for that... because if I have to guess, things get ugly fast. Also noted that Jaylene seems competent in this one. There's a slight hint that she has enough charisma to get people to follow her. Everything else must wait for the official review

Alda and Lewellen had been following for quite a while now .... wink 

Just messing with you K, I know what you mean and it's an astute observation!

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

This is going to get messy ...

http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Troll

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Oh, and K can gladly kill this troll for me!  Heck, I'll even throw the troll at him!

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

One troll is definitely coming up - let's just say I've had lots of inspiration from some of the forums, so this character is well developed in all the ways of trolls ....  LOL

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

How else is K going to kill all the characters that we come up with?!  smile

jp, we already had this discussion before, but the thread was removed by site admin after it went off the rails a bit. Alas, that topic did go away, but not in a good way!  smile

And agree, there are other better alternatives as you've mentioned that parents could consider.

njc wrote:

The same could be said of letting kids into public libraries, unfortunately.  Not all 12-year-olds are at a 12-year-old level.  Not all 16-year-olds are at a 16-year level.  Hard age limits are guesstimates, and more often wrong than right.  The trick is keeping them from going too far wrong.

njc, I'd trust a parent's judgement more to gauge a kids "real" age, and even then some would get it wrong. Also, only a parent that is or had been closely involved to the workings of a site like this, would be in a position to make an informed call. IMO of course.

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(57 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

If you can wait until tomorrow afternoon Perth time, I'll see what I can do?!