I got one foot in the grave

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(1,217 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

Depends on what the story is about. With a name like Galaxy Tales, and sufficicient prep work, you could get into a Caligula POV here.

Chapter House (book 6) best book I've ever read

amy s wrote:

I plan to write alternate endings and let people pick.

I pick the one where they're celebrating at the end and then a Mar shows up unexpectedly and eats everyone.

I hate killing my favorite characters

When you read 2-3 Acorna books or anything containing the name "Ender" you come to understand this problem troubles the big names of fiction.

Per K. Don't clarify. =simplify=. You've got a lot of mobile targets. Keep killing them like Game of Thrones until we're at the edge of our seats swearing at you that if you kill another we'll hate you as we buy the next book

Which sets me to wondering... if the next book is going to have the gang together... you're not going to have time to treat all 20+ characters. (Not unless you write a Robert Jordan-style phone book). I presume some of them must be flattened into bystanders. This would seem to imply they need their moment of closure now / here. I'm referring to threads like Tazar-Solace. You could get away with punting Malpiece-Jaylene's closure into another story since one hasn't heavily affected the other. I assume Petra and L are now permanently out of the loop so there's a few less loose ends to tie up.

Just looking at the story mechanics, the story kind of flirts with us that the jar has some effect on Jaylene (whether, for example, she is unable to destroy it at the end and Tazar is the one least affected, and throws it... or whether it's more insidious - a darkening of her spirit that can never be lifted).

Taking a step further back... is the story really about destroying the horror?Or is it about why Jaylene came back and why whatever is commending all the horrors wants to thwart that? Perhaps this question is best left to the greater story. I don't know.

Billy Joel: "Always the good die young"

(instrumental)

(Clarinet enacts the screams of man-eating apes)

Try to sneak in a few civilian deaths and one or more kittens

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(1,528 replies, posted in Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi)

This may be a sticky-notes problem

Bonus points if the solution involves a man-eating crocodile

Personally, I'm super happy to be back in a universe where people can swear normally again.

You wouldn't believe how much pain it is editing out our swearing substitutes (like "Oh brother") and making sure that when my characters say sh*t they are actually talking about excrement. When someone describing his wife as having "uneartly beauty" doesn't make sense if your characters haven't heard of Earth.

Total pain in the neck!

Anyway, I notice you're headed in the direction that the characters cuss about magic. But you have other options.

Maybe they cuss about an animal that used to eat them at some point in their evolutonary history. For example, the Dingo. They might go "Holy bite from a Dingo" or "get out of town ya Dingo lover". (PS if you _bite_ into this idea, don't actually use Dingo. Use something cool like "kodo" (shortened from komodo) or "turt" (shortened from turtle))

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He's invented a defense for telepathy. On the other hand, no telepath can block electricity. Namika 1 telepath 0

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

Ke wan eats Ke ajo for Ke breakfast.

You got the names backwards

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Janet (AJ) Reid wrote:

Black J eat 'too amazing' for breakfast. Just saying

For the record, [K a j o]'s pre-breakfast snack consists of a bowl of amazing, one small army, and the entire Buckingham Palace. And that's on his days off.

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Don't overthink the enigma of [K a j o]. He's too amazing to contemplate.

Anyway, I can't review that chapter in terms of safety, but I will look for the other items you mentioned

K's approach may speed it so much that you'll lose the color and flavor that makes your story and your telling special

He's right. You will lose the pace that makes your story special.

It will be replaced by a pace that also makes your story special.

@Amy: Half of ninety. Don't say I never give a straight answer

Agreed. However, (barring stream of consciousness stories) I've yet to meet one I can't break down into cause & effect chains.

Edit: I often leave orphaned effects in my stories. This system ensures when I do so, it's not by accident

Interesting side-effect... reviewers recommendation of removing the murder of Evelyn (the sister) causes Evelyn to fail the relevancy test. That is, her entire structural purpose in the story is to be murdered. Without that, she is bereft of meaning. I don't foresee her even appearing in the second draft.

This style of outline helps you spot those branches that don't make it to the end of the tree due to mid-stream changes like that. All branches need not reach the end, but sometimes they were meant to and the writer overlooked something while paying attention elsewhere.

I plan like a mofo. (Except Kim's story, where I just wrote and wrote and ended when she died. Even in her story, I had a rough outline because it occurs (on top of / simultaneously with)  other stories. That is, I knew before writing which major events were going to occur... I just didn't know yet how she would respond to them.)

My outlining strategies will be pretty useless to you since I try to make one character dominant and everyone else side-show. My result is that usually one character carries the canvas and everyone else gets to reach in and paint their own strokes.

All disclaimers aside, I start with the simplest possible description. ONE verb if possible. Never more than three verbs. I expand outwards from there in 3's. So column (B) in the spreadsheet = the major arcs and column (C) represents the sub arcs.

For example, in a recent story "Woman learns too late the wages of sin" I have 3 arcs:
1. Evil at the start
2. Change of heart
3. Retribution

Each of these arcs turns into 3 arcs which turn into 3 arcs each and so forth until I can't break it down any further.

Here: 3 nodes deep:
http://kwan.skyfire.ca/images/tnbw/lbo2.jpg

No big shocker, I picked three sins. Avarice, Mendacity, and Passion (Anger). Original intent was to go through each (in the style of Dickens 3 ghosts), but that didn't pan out , and all those nodes got culled.

The middle "Change of heart" story arc, explored one node deeper:
http://kwan.skyfire.ca/images/tnbw/lbo3.jpg

Anything that breaks the rule of 3's gets pruned until it does. If it can't be reduced, I sit down and ask myself some hard questions about the story. Is the story trying to accomplish too much? Is it too complex? What story am I trying to tell?

Right now, my scientist character (Marsha) faces those questions. She's the 4th strand in many nodes. Should she get her own (more structurally sound) story? Is she helping the current story or is she hindering it? I seesaw on this every day. She passes the relevancy test, but not the rules of 3. Difficult choice!

Btw, beyond the 3rd tier of branches, I rarely stick to my outline. Characters surprise me and make weird decisions. Sometimes reviewers go "hey, J can't kill her sister in cold blood. It's repulsive. I hope you can change it" and I'm looking at my sheets and it's like level M down the chain and not crucial to A, B, or C so ya, outline can go fly a kite.

Coming back to yours... if you decide to approach such a strategy, I recommend you lay out all your bullet points. Make a giant shopping list of all you'd like to happen. Then go through and split into two columns (A) cause and (B) effect. Some items will be sitting in "effect" with no apparent "cause". That's normal. Then, go through your causes and see if you can link them to a new column which is the greater causes. At this point, some of your orphaned effects will now join up. After several passes, you may be 3-4 nodes deep, but everything will join up. Anything that doesn't join up needs close scrutiny.

I've read it. I find myself fascinated by trying to visualize what you took from the chase scene.

The differences... well I guess the big one is mine had villains and the character was getting manhandled kinda badass. That part was unusual for me - I normally have my heroes fight from a position of strength when doing my multi-perspective battles. Considering these, I must approach yours as something new, rather than a replication as you called it.

Some general impressions... there is a lot of exposition in the chapter. Intentional? The wand seemed random. I think I get where you're going with that... but it jumps out that it's important, yet it isn't (at least not to this chapter). I like the humanizing of the sisters... it'll be that much more satisfying when their destiny comes to look them up.

Never.

Oi! Could ya write the final chapter before all these drafts of the first so I can make more usefull comments?

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Elisheva Free wrote:

Alright, so I am seriously struggling on one particular chapter. So much so that I nearly have two other chapters written and edited. Normally, I would say to hell with it and go at the darn thing at a different angle, but this chapter is actually very important in introducing two of my characters. It has to happen a certain way.

Should I just throw in the basics of what's happening and post it here for review?

Thanks,
Elisheva

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(212 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Sarcasm is prohibited for everyone except KHippolite

Heh.

Rosie, what you're seeing here is a change of the guard.

We came to this site in its older format, and it was very obtuse. We got kicked around by the format. Those of us who surived were those who were able to absorb that into our writing process.

Now imagine you have a site you consider excellent and someone snatches it away from you and says here's something more modern but it has oly 45% of what you had before, but 200% of what you weren't using. You will naturally moan and complain. It's human nature.

We old fogies will either adapt or move on. Before we do, we will complain like old men returning soup in a deli. Please do not fear... all is not lost. Despite what we might say, the new site has much more promise than the old. And look at Facebook every time they make a minor change... millions of complaints. It's a part of the process.

There's a phoenix somewhere in the pile of ashes. Ignore those of us who say otherwise.