Sol,

I have three self-published books on Amazon. Total units sold is around 400 - not a lot in the big picture. But if you are interested, I'm more than happy to share my experiences.

Alan

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j p lundstrom wrote:

In other words, fancy word choice does not equal a good story. Just read Mark Twain.

Amen! One of the best tidbits in this entire thread in my opinion.

Alan

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A quick follow-up to what I just posted. In a recent interview with James Patterson I read recently, he said (I'm somewhat paraphrasing) "I guess I'm okay with grammar and all that stuff, but I don't worry about it too much. But there aren't many people who can create a good story better than me." He also said he has hundreds of stories in his mind yet to write.

That speaks to me 100%.

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I enjoy a good story more than technically correct writing. Thus, I try to keep my characters doing or contemplating their next move. I like to leave hints of something coming down the road. By tossing in a new unknown, no matter how small, it leaves the reader wanting to  find out what the heck that's all about.  The only way to satisfy that unknown is to read on. Little teasers work great, I think.

My favorite author is Janet Evanovich. Her technical merits are good but not exceptional. But I find every main character interesting and her stories fast moving but like a well-oiled machine. She uses a lot of unnecessary dialogue tags but i don't care - her stories and characters are so damned engaging. I relish every book of hers. Her humor is a bit silly at times but I like that.

I think the author has to have a basic knowledge of what his/her target audience enjoys and write to that. . Although I am pretty good with grammar, punctuation and the like, I find it less important to me than the story telling. Different audiences and genres require different techniques for moving the story along. Thus, i do not think there is a "one size fits all" answer. I write in four different genres on a regular basis (Humor, Action Thriller, Mystery and Dramas set in the 1950s and 1960s). I use a different technique for each one. For Humor, set up a situation that the reader knows is going to be a calamity; for Action Thriller, set ther stage for something that's guaranteed to be thrilling and dangerous; for Mystery, leave unanswered clues along the way; for Dramas, create the setting for actions that are going to be tense, difficult and usually pit one character against another. But the ... you MUST deliver.

Bottom line for me ... tell me a good story (if you do it with perfect grammar, so much the better but not a deal breaker either way) and make me like your characters or make me enjoy not liking them.

Just my thoughts.

Alan

Hi Janet,

Yes, a number of the "old faithfuls" are no longer active for one reason or another.  I joined  in May of 2008. I did leave the site for about two years and returned a couple of months ago. I think some have done the same thing ... check out other sites or have personal situations that take their time and attention. Also, health issues can affect a member's participation.

Flowing Pencil was one of my most consistent reviewers and posted fabulous poetry. But she has some health issues. Nathan B. Childs was as loyal as Flo. There are other things in his life that require his time. Payge Turner simply disappeared from the site - not sure why. A couple of readers and reviewers I had early have passed on.

I'm here very steady for a couple of weeks and then I'm sporadic for a similar time span. My wife is significantly disabled and in very poor health; thus I spend a lot of time assisting her and doing all the domestic chores. I finished 8 months of chemo less than a year ago and that put me out of the loop most of that time. I also am a professional musician and have music commitments that are time sensitive and sometimes I have to devote all my effort to completing the songs I write for TV, movies and other projects. They pay money, so they have to be my priority. But I am here as much as possible.

Since I've  been back, I've made some new friends who are great reviewers and I have come to like and appreciate them - folks like Randy Krzak, Sherry V. Ostroff and Michael Kent. There are others, too. So, I guess it's just part of the evolutionary process of a site. We hate to see the great and familiar leave, but it happens. We simple have to start embracing the newer members, some of whom will eventually be members of the "old faithful."

But I agree, it's sad to see some of the "oldies" no longer on the site. Best to you and good luck with your writing.

Alan

Only under one of my penn names (I have three - a different one for each genre I write in). I completely and totally abhor social media. The Facebook account I have under my real name - haven't logged onto for over 3 years. My wife, who is not an author, also deplores social media.

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I follow in Randy's footsteps - congrats! Wishing you much success!!!

Nice looking cover - an attention grabber! I wasn't here while you were posting the book but I'm delighted you brought your project to fruition. Best of luck with it!

corra wrote:

This whole list could be read as really bad foreplay:

... her nose crinkled
his nose wrinkled
she sneered
his nostrils flared
she stuck her nose in the air
he sniffed
she sniffled...

wink

Ha! Love it, Corra!!!!

Just thought of this:

One I like to use is, "I thought a saw a hint of a smile. Either that or the corners of his mouth twitched upwards, almost imperceptibly, for no good reason." I vary the wording but I like the idea of a "hint of a smile".

jp:  Good list. Thanks for posting the link. I use some of them but there are others I will look at using as they are very good, in my opinion, in most cases.

Dill:  That was worth the price of admission!

Marilyn:  Hey!

Sherry,
I read your first chapter a little over a week ago but haven't been back. It's not a lot of desire or that I didn't enjoy your chapter - I did. Everyone who's been here for a while is aware that I'm married to a wonderful but significantly disabled wife who requires a lot of help and attention and more doctors' visits than any human should have to endure. That takes a lot of my time. Also, I'm a professional songwriter and I have hard deadlines I must meet if I want to get paid. So, those two issues are my priority. I mostly do music for commercials, movie soundtracks and documentaries, so time is very important for all that.

I've been here since 2008 and and the site has been more valuable to me than I could ever express in words. Gacela's suggestions are spot on. And others, such as Ann Everett and Marilyn Johnson offered a little insight as to why the number of reviews can vary quite a bit. I typically review in spurts, usually between midnight and 4:00 am.

And some folks just don't read certain genres. I rarely read YA, Science Fiction, Horror, Dystopian, and a few others. Give me a good Action-Thriller, a Mystery or (my favorite) some really good humor. Heck, I 'll even read a Romance novel if it's more than mush & gush. Ann Everett writes romance but I read as much of her work as I can because she's so danged good at it .But I occasionally step out of the box and check out other genres just from curiosity.

From the chapter I read, I think you have excellent basics for your writing and, like most of the rest of us, the input from our reviewers hone those basic skills. I hope you hang around and make our site that much better. I'll be over again real soon. I make a list of folks i want to read when I have the opportunity and cycle through that list. I read new authors once or twice a week if I can. That's how I ran across you!

Anyway, keep writing and I'll keep reading as often as I can. JK Rowling was turned down by over a dozen publishers for her Harry Potter series before landing a deal - that worked out pretty good!. Best to you,

Alan

K L van Kriedt wrote:

Another contest idea to add to all the good ones above: You Can't Make this Stuff Up - Historical fiction based on something which happened in real life which is as unbelievable as anything you could make up - then make up your own story around it.

That's an interesting one!

Mike,

As you know, I'm a professional songwriter and one of my novel series is humor, so either of those would work for me!

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Corra,

I knew you were kidding ... but I truly am embarrassed as you and Patti (flowing pencil) were the first to welcome me. Someday you'll be 70 years old and then you'll understand! Hugs your way, too.

Alan

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Marilyn Johnson wrote:
Sideman wrote:

It will be titled "Three Weddings And A Taco".

Nobody, and I mean No. Body. could come up with a title like that and get by with it!  ROFL!  You're a hoot!!

I talked with Flo and she said she was gonna stop back by since you were back, Alan!  (Mind you, she would not come back just for ME, but as soon as I mentioned YOUR name, she was up for it!!). 

Hugs,
MJ

Awwwwe! I feel special now! I sure do miss her. And thank you for contacting her. I sure di miss her ... she's so full of sh ... er, I mean wit! I'm looking forward to hearing from her. She's a sweetie ... like you!

So, you like that title, eh? It's the perfect title for the story! Sometimes ya just gotta get creative!

Big hugs, my friend.

Alan

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dagnee wrote:
Sideman wrote:

Hi j p,

I joined in July of 2008. At that time, to the best of my memory, the following folks were the most prominent members:

Flowing Pencil (Patti)
Marilyn Johnson (fairly new but very active)
Nathan B. Childs
Max Kenneau
Susan Stec
Dill Carver
Dagnee
Payge Turner
Sonny
Anne Hobart
Mike 2439
CatWrites 22
Sherman Law
TirzahLaughs
RLVS
Brosna
Arreyanne
Jeni Decker
Jack the Knife
Tina DC Hayes
Kat Nove
Mishmont

Those the ones who come to mind. I can remember getting quite a few reviews from them on most things I posted. Also, they have had a lot to do with me becoming a much better author. Have a great rest of the weekend!
Alan

Allen, I am touched you remembered me. I think about Cash's mother all the time. She was a hoot!
smile

Dagnee,

I most remember your Civil War story centered around, to the best of my memory, the Quantrill Raiders     - including Jesse & Frank James, situated in northwest Missouri and northeast Kansas.

Cash's mother is still kicking ass and running amuck all over the  place! Actually, books 1 & 2 have been published and are available on Amazon under my pen name of Tai Baker. Book #1 is titled "The Half-Pint Houdini" and book #2 is titled "Who Stole The Dead Guy?" Book three is in progress and will be published early next year. It will be titled "Three Weddings And A Taco". Thank you for remembering! Blessings ...

Alan

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corra wrote:

I joined in April 2008. I was most active from around 2008-2012. Since then I've been drudging through college classes and have barely written a thing. smile

Sideman wrote:

Those the ones who come to mind...

Alan, I'm astonished you failed to list me. I wonder if when I knew you I was writing as Mabel? I've had both pen names here. Nevertheless, I'm afraid I may have to crumple under the grudge I shall now carry for life.


Corra,

I am totally embarrassed! yes, I should have included your name. We had many, many exchanges, both on and off the site. if you recall, I had a dear friend who lived near you. He passed away three years ago. The sheer embarrassment od that omission is punishing enough; yet you may feel free to pummel me at will with every wet noodle at your disposal. I'm truly sorry!

sad sad sad

Alan

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Hi j p,

I joined in July of 2008. At that time, to the best of my memory, the following folks were the most prominent members:

Flowing Pencil (Patti)
Marilyn Johnson (fairly new but very active)
Nathan B. Childs
Max Kenneau
Susan Stec
Dill Carver
Dagnee
Payge Turner
Sonny
Anne Hobart
Mike 2439
CatWrites 22
Sherman Law
TirzahLaughs
RLVS
Brosna
Arreyanne
Jeni Decker
Jack the Knife
Tina DC Hayes
Kat Nove
Mishmont

Those the ones who come to mind. I can remember getting quite a few reviews from them on most things I posted. Also, they have had a lot to do with me becoming a much better author. Have a great rest of the weekend!
Alan

If you rip my writing to shreds, I'll get my feathers ruffled for a short while but I'll get over it pretty quickly. I put my work out there and ask for your honest opinion - slice and dice it all you want, just be respectful. I joined here in 2008 or 2009, don't remember which, and I've had but one review that really hurt. I don't recall who it was from, but I remember blocking her.

She pretty much told me she had a pet iguana with better writing skills and then called me an incompetent twit unworthy of owning a keyboard and monitor. I didn't mind the attack on my writing so much - I got over that in an hour or so. but when you attack someone personally, rather than their writing, that's where I say you've crossed the line. I might be a worthless piece of crap - or a well-regarded citizen in my hometown. But you don't know which I am, or where I function between those two extremes. We have three of our six children still surviving. But we taught all of them it's fair to attack someone's ideas, but not them, the person.

And Gacela, when I was talking about don't attack my Plan A unless you have a better Plan B, I wasn't referring to rewriting their words for them. I simply meant a reviewer should give them food for thought, such as:  P3 L6, you might want to find a better word than ######  to further ingratiate your character's feelings. But I rarely try to rewrite someone's sentences for him or her unless I know the author well and know it's okay to do so. I probably didn't explain myself well ... I sometimes do that! And I still say you have one of the prettiest names on the site! Hugs to you!

Anyway, that's how I approach reviewing and answering reviews.

And I agree that the site doesn't have the same "zing" it had before. I left the site about a year after the new site (the one we currently have) was established and came back about three months ago. The beehive of activity isn't there like it was and I get considerably fewer reviews trhan I used to, although I read and review as often as I can. But, I still see it as better than the two other sites I joined. O)n both of those sites, your work simply disappears from view after a relatively short period of time, 30 - 60 days. You had to pay your points again to make it available again again. And that same process would repeat in the same time period.

Okay back to work and some reviewing in a couple of hours.

Alan

Hey Nathan! Haven't seen you on the boards in ages! I miss reading you! And got no bad reviews for ya!

Alan

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The url for my blog site has changed. What you see in the original post above is correct.

https://www.taibakerblog.com/

Thanks to all who subscribe! The blog I posted yesterday (Monday) is how I prepare to write a novel.

Thanks Sol!

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Hi JP!

I don't have a problem with the "invented" words. Accepted writing styles are a lot like music and social norms... they evolve and change as society does. Look at those music and social norms. Rock & Roll ain't what it was in 1970, Country also. And our society used to be more civil in its daily discourse.

Every generation submits a new twist, a new direction and new words to fit the new need. If we didn't evolve our writing as we do almost everything else, we'd all still be writing and talking like the Colonial Americans. Some might say that's a good thing ... and maybe it is. But writing has to be in tune with the society for which it is written in order to appeal the majority of that society.

Writing is probably viewed a lot like music is:  "This crap ain't nearly as good as that stuff they were doing when I was a young man." People tend to hold onto what they grew up with - resistance to change is strong! But the world won't wait for those who are slow to adjust.

That's my take. But, thanks for the opportunity have a discussion about it!

Alan

Sounds like a hack. I just got on a few minutes ago (12:45 am Central Time). It was there when I logged on. It's not (yey) caused me any issues other than a lot of suspicion.

Alan