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Temple Wang wrote:jack the knife wrote:Temple Wang wrote:Just curious - is the Book Shelf feature on this site a significant source of sales for authors on this website? For example, in a month, how many books would you guess you sell from having the link here?
I would guess close to none, but that's not the point, it seems to me.
I see. Thank you.
Well, I wasn’t really trying to make a point. I was genuinely curious. But now that you mention it, if selling books is not the point, then what is the point?
Thank you
I don't think selling books to each other here at TNBW is the point. But having links to those books would show the products that result from membership in TNBW and be a reminder that publishing success is possible for those just starting out.
Temple Wang wrote:Just curious - is the Book Shelf feature on this site a significant source of sales for authors on this website? For example, in a month, how many books would you guess you sell from having the link here?
I would guess close to none, but that's not the point, it seems to me.
Kdot wrote:you should remove everything after /ref= so that Amazon cannot track how users are arriving at your story (which may negatively impact your reviews)
Yes!
I copied and pasted the Amazon links to my books onto my profile page. You have to highlight the link, then right click on it, then click on the Go to... It's working for my links.
Okay, I added the Amazon links to my books to the bio on my profile page. I think they work.
I know how to copy and paste, but I don't see where I can do that in my profile, unless I edit my bio and add it there.
SolN wrote:Yes, Amazon changed their protocol. For now, you may want to link to any books you have published via your profile. It's unclear if Amazon is going to allow us to show the bookshelf anymore. We're looking into some alternatives.
So how do we post those links, Sol?
Thanks for sharing that, Ann.
Suin wrote:I'd be interested to know if anyone has tried 'hybrid' (or vanity) publishing where you pay for their expertise in publishing including editing, printing, Amazon & marketing...
That's what "self-publishing" used to be. You paid somebody like CreateSpace to do the work that "traditional" publishers do. I published my first book that way.
I just read the above article. It's essentially presented as a dichotomy - "indie" vs. "traditional" publishing. But it ignores a third category: independent medium-sized publishers. The article seems to be referring to large publishing houses who have publicity teams, pay for book tours, and pay advances when the contract is signed. The third category, with which I and a number of authors on TNBW are affiliated, do not offer those perks. They do the editing and cover art and support in ways I mentioned above. And they don't require an intermediary agent before even looking at your book. In fact, some forbid the use of agents. Just wanted to make clear that a third choice is available for those who don't want to do ALL the work by themselves and are willing to give up being in total control to have it.
Suin wrote:jack the knife wrote:I agree with most of what you said, Suin, except for the marketing part. Even with a publisher, unless you're a big name that warrants the publisher taking out ads in the NYT, for example, marketing is pretty much up to you. On the plus side of self-publishing, you have total control of the product and reap all the profits!
Would the publisher, at least, give you support on how to market? Like a checklist of best practices, feedback on how to improve, etc?
Yes, they will, and they'll arrange with Amazon when you want to do a promotion sale, including a free offer. They will also support you and your book on Twitter, as well as on their website. They want you to succeed! But the marketing heavy lifting will be yours.
Suin wrote:How was your ROI when you published yourself, Bill? There are two major reasons why I'd be reluctant to go down the indie publishing route;
1. You have to invest in editors, cover artists & marketing experts but if your book doesn't do well, it could all be money down the drain. With a publisher, they'd take the hit if the book is a flop.
2. You have to invest a lot of time in learning and researching about different vendors & figuring out how to market it.
Are these valid concerns or am I wrong somewhere/overthinking things?
I agree with most of what you said, Suin, except for the marketing part. Even with a publisher, unless you're a big name that warrants the publisher taking out ads in the NYT, for example, marketing is pretty much up to you. On the plus side of self-publishing, you have total control of the product and reap all the profits!
But in some of them she's not one of the stars. Starsky & Hutch and What's Eating Gilbert Grape, as examples.
1. Romeo is Bleeding
2. My Stepmother is an Alien
3. From Dusk to Dawn
4. What's Eating Gilbert Grape
5. Back Roads
6. Cape Fear
7. Natural Born Killers
8.
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11. Starsky & Hutch
The American is wrong for #2? Yikes! That's the only one I actually saw.
2. The American
4. Whiteout
5. Transsiberian
6. The Big White
7. Deadfall
8.Thin Ice
9. Horsemen?
10. (Gringo meets the plot summary, but no b-r-r component that I can see.)
I don't think there is a separate finalists list, if I remember my experience correctly. The winners are announced at the event in Edmonds, Washington, I believe. Of course you don't have to be there to win!
With two in the running, I like your chances!
Once you reveal the answers, I'll be able to tell why I never saw them! 
Those were my answers too. I apparently didn't see any of the others. #3 is The Snowman, I think.
Tough one, JP! I know only one for sure and might know another one - without cheating. Number 3 sounds like a relatively recent movie I've seen trailers of but can't remember the title.
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